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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Yes, he now has number seven. Thank you Lance.


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4387 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Um, he didnt win yet...one stage to go.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Yeah, he won't win, perhaps, if he falls off his bike, and gets hurt and can't finish. The fat lady is warbling in the background as we speak.

The man is incredible, yet still there are some who won't acknowledge just how great he is at this event.


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

I know. I just think he has too much savvy to lose it now. The guy is a genius at what he does. It will take a major screwup for him not to win. I do not think the other riders can come up with a Herculean effort to just simply overpower Armstrong.


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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

He is that good of an athlete

True he hasn't won yet, but anyone who tries to pull an attack tomorrow (basso, Ulrich,Landys, Leipheimer) would be brough back by team Discovery...it is almost impossible for him to loose now.

BTW, anyone who saw the time trial today.....do you think Michael Rasmussen has had a worst day in his life....it was so sad watching the kid crumble



ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 3):
I know. I just think he has too much savvy to lose it now. The guy is a genius at what he does. It will take a major screwup for him not to win. I do not think the other riders can come up with a Herculean effort to just simply overpower Armstrong.

It is an unwritten law that all riders refrain from attacks that aren´t exclusively launched in order to win the stage on the last day of the Tour. So even if Lance got into trouble (which he won´t of course), nobody would try to benefit from that.
The last stage is traditionally used to celebrate the winner and all riders who made it to the last stage. So there is no way he will lose it now apart from a crash (nobody wishes for that).


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4387 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

I'm not doubting that he will win, as it will take a catastrophic event (fall, injury) to prevent him from winning.

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Thread starter):
Yes, he now has number seven.

I was just pointing out that the fat lady has not sung. He does not NOW have number seven...yet.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

This raises the question...Is he the best ever athlete?


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 7):
This raises the question...Is he the best ever athlete?

Hard to say. You could ask a million people that, and get quite a few different answers. Michael Jordan? Tiger Woods? Jesse Owens? Teofilo Stevenson? Wilt Chamberlain? Jim Brown? Walter Payton?

Don't think you can say for sure.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Um, he didn't win yet...one stage to go.

Um, Yes he did. Today was the last day of competitive racing. Attacks are not allowed on the final day. As is Tour tradition on the final day is an easy, leisurely ride into Paris. The riders drink champaine, relax and have fun. The rider wearing the Yellow jersey is given the honor of leading his team and the group onto the Champs Elysees for the parade laps. With one lap to go the sprinters will challenge for the stage win. With nearly a 5 minute lead... It's over. It will be interesting to see if the group honors Lance in anyway during the parade laps.

[Edited 2005-07-23 20:54:01]


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 7):
Is he the best ever athlete?

I Abhor this expression..
No matter what Lance can't
"Slam Dunk"
Ace a Par 4
Competitively drive in any motor racing series
knockout mike tyson (in the good days)
throw an 80 yard touchdown pass, nail a 54 yard field goal
(Lame soccer reference alert) do that over the head kick/flip thing like Pele
Run a competitive mile
outswim that thorpedo guy
nail a grand slam for the game 7 "world" series win
Out lift any pro weightlfter

But the people who can excel at those things can't do what Lance has effectively done either.. He is HANDS down the dominant athlete of his game...Schlooping Cheryl Crow isin't a bad benefit either  Wink


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Well big boys, sorry to break it to you but pro-cycling has its history and its archives.
Once you will be able to remove the flag that impairs your vision, have a look at the rankings, or the wins, or entire careers....and last but not least, ask or listen to Lance himself.

If he was no citizen of the USA you would hardly know his name.


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Dubya is coming! Dubya is coming!


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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Quoting 9V-SPF (Reply 5):
The last stage is traditionally used to celebrate the winner and all riders who made it to the last stage.

The last stage is very important for the sprinters.


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 11):
Well big boys, sorry to break it to you but pro-cycling has its history and its archives.
Once you will be able to remove the flag that impairs your vision, have a look at the rankings, or the wins, or entire careers....and last but not least, ask or listen to Lance himself.

If he was no citizen of the USA you would hardly know his name.

 Yeah sure
How condescending of you to presume that all Americans only watch because of Lance. I have been watching the tour for over 15 years and have been recreationally riding all year long since I can remember. If America is so barren of cycling knowledge then where did Lemond, Armstrong, and Hincapie come from? Besides, it is just a sport so who cares if people cheer for their countrymen. Any other population of a country would do the same.


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 4):
BTW, anyone who saw the time trial today.....do you think Michael Rasmussen has had a worst day in his life....it was so sad watching the kid crumble

It was truely a sad thing to watch.....you just felt so bad for the guy. He had a real chance too. I would hate to be him and whoever the technician guy is or whoever their maintenance man is.

Congrats to Lance


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 7):
This raises the question...Is he the best ever athlete?



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Hard to say. You could ask a million people that, and get quite a few different answers. Michael Jordan? Tiger Woods? Jesse Owens? Teofilo Stevenson? Wilt Chamberlain? Jim Brown? Walter Payton?
Don't think you can say for sure.

Elvis, these gentlemen are the "big boys".

By genuine and honest curiosity, what channel(s) did feature the TdF 15 years ago ?


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

lakobos: I'm pretty sure ABC gave coverage on their Wide World of Sports program, but not nearly as good as we are getting presently.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

It is now OFFICIAL... SEVEN.

Due to weather conditions Race Officials have ended the race at the first circuit and have also stopped time bonuses. They will finish the 8 circuits at that is it..!!



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

But not without the scare some knew was quite possible. Three Americans just ahead of Armstrong went down and he almost went with them. But it's official. Good luck, and goodbye to one of our best athlets.


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Teofilo Stevenson? Wilt Chamberlain? Jim Brown? Walter Payton?

Who are these guys? They seem not to very known in Europe.


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 20):
Who are these guys? They seem not to very known in Europe.

Wilt Chamberlain was the only NBA player who scored 100 points in one match. I don´t know the other names either  Embarrassment


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Jim Brown and Walter Payton were extremly good American style football players. Stevenson? I do not know.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 7):
Is he the best ever athlete?

I Abhor this expression..

I see your point, Ted, although I wouldn't say I abhor the expression. It's true that he can't do many of the things that other great athletes have done, but cycling is such a different animal. Scorching temperatures, brutal climbs, rectum-puckering 60 mph decents, over-zealous fans...yes cycling is technically a team sport, but no teammate can help you when you run out. Lance just never ran out in the Tour. He one series of bad breaks in 2003, and all he did was become more determined to come back and win.

I would say he is the greatest athlete of all time. For pure endurance, skill, power, intelligence, determination, judgement, and sportsmanship - all necessary qualities in athletics, he is, IMO, peerless.


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 23):
I would say he is the greatest athlete of all time.

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....(drum roll)
Pwaaaaaaaat...(the bugle)
Raaaaaise the colouuurs (non-aggressive sarcasm of course)

If he is the geatest athlete of all time, how should we see the guys (between 5 and 12 according to different listings and ways to assess wins) who were better riders than Lance ?

For information, almost all listings concur as to the top 5
1. Merckx 2. Hinault 3. Kelly 4. Indurain 5. Moser

Have a look at what those guys did win and if you are still convinced, I swear I will pay a visit to the local church.

Nationalist oversensitivity is no excuse for philistine ignorance...


25 Logan22L : Iokobos, you know very little about me if you think I'm a pure nationalist. There are many great things I love about the U.S., and many I do not. I w
26 DL021 : I have seen Lance race both here in Georgia and in France, and I consider myself lucky to have seen one of the great athletes in history do his thing
27 Iakobos : Understood Logan, but I have a small problem when it comes to people not giving "honest" credit when and where it is due. Just is just, regardless of
28 Post contains links and images Fumanchewd : There has been weekend coverage on the networks for quite a while now. By "watching" I also met keeping up with as in magazines, newspapers, etc.. "A
29 Logan22L : I will agree that the U.S. is very provincial in their attitudes, particularly with respect to sports. However, I would add that there are many from
30 Allstarflyer : I"ve grown from mellow appreciation to greater appreciation for Lance and his efforts. For running (and other workouts I do) his record of performance
31 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : The morning after - still coming to terms with the fact that Lance is now a retired athlete, but very glad he went at the very top of his sport. It's
32 Post contains images Iakobos : I think I know quite a big bit, and it does not come from tv or magazines. I did race starting back in '62 and beside I have been connected with the
33 Post contains images Airboeing : To your consolation, from next year, Lance will be assistant of the Discovery Channel's team director (sorry, don't have his name in mind). So I gues
34 Pilotpip : The big question for us true fans in the US is what will become of cycling coverage here now that Lance is gone. Two years ago, we had complete covera
35 Iakobos : I don't think Ullrich has the intrinsic talent, the determination and the team (in the largest sense) to win it, I even doubt he would make the podium
36 Post contains images Dvk : No, we've known about pro-cycling since at least 1985, when Greg LeMond won his first of three TdF titles.
37 EMBQA : No, we've known about pro-cycling since at least 1985, when Greg LeMond won his first of three TdF titles Actually in 1985 Greg LeMond finished second
38 Blackbird1331 : Lakobos: Merckx did not seem to have a life other than cycling. Name some others that have done better than Armstrong. We Americans are just showing s
39 Iakobos : Fine (for the pride)...but not only you (for the appreciation): every person with some real knowledge about this sport fully appreciates what Lance d
40 Blackbird1331 : Let's get tough. How about a Tour de America? West coast to the East Coast. Let's make a commitment. I think Lance will suport it.
41 Post contains images TedTAce : Let's not and say we did
42 Iakobos : Btw, does anyone know which race organizers offer the highest prize money (after the TdF of course) ? . . . . . . . . . ...Tour of Qatar !
43 Blackbird1331 : Why not,Ted? Afraid it might be welcomed?
44 TedTAce : Nope, afraid that foreigners will win it... all the time. It's not Football It's not Baseball It's not Basketball It's not Hockey It's not College Fo
45 Blackbird1331 : We will not know until we try.
46 Post contains links Dragon-wings : Actually they had a North American Tour De France type race called the Tour Du Pont. It lasted from 1991 to 1996 and was held in the mid atlantic sta
47 Pilotpip : There are also a couple of major multi day events such as the Tour of Georgia, which is becomming a prominent stage race with international attendance
48 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Thats great but those accolades and titles don't really mean anything in relation to modern cycling. Wilt Chamberlain (NBA player) once scored over 1
49 Iakobos : Another misconception based on a vacuum. (check tablets before 1920) Road and track racing have always been primarily European (West for the pros, Ea
50 Fumanchewd : Do you honestly believe that the training methods and nutritional knowledge were equivalent in the 1930's as to now. Come, come. People will always d
51 Iakobos : Where did you pick this one up Doctor ? ...last try... I said, or at least it was meant to be read and understood as: "be it in 1930 or in 2005, all
52 Fumanchewd : Ahh...understood now. You are not arguing for the sake of merit or bicycling, but for your prejudices and generalities towards Americans. I am not in
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