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A Real Guy Runs On The Dem Ticket In Ohio  
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Now here we have the real kahuna. An honest to goodness Marine who served in Iraq, understands our democratic institutions, and is a tolerant guy who adheres to the American principal of "live and let live." He's blunt, he's practical, and he's a fiscal conservative (something that the current GOP is not).

And he's a Democrat.

Oh, and he's kinda studly looking too.

We need more politicians like Paul Hackett.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...5/07/26/hackett_schmidt/index.html

Excerpts

Paul Hackett, a Marine who fought in Fallujah is trying to become the first Iraq war vet to serve in Congress -- and give Democrats hope that Ohio is not permanently lost. His GOP opponent is Jean Schmidt, fully esconced in the pockets of the Ohio Christian coalition.

On the issues, the candidates both describe themselves as fiscal conservatives, but on the Iraq war and the so-called moral values questions, they stand in stark relief. Hackett is a critic of Bush's Iraq war policy and believes America was led to war unnecessarily. Schmidt is a strong backer of Bush's handling of the war. Hackett is pro-choice. Schmidt is president of Cincinnati Right to Life. Schmidt voted against gay marriage in the Ohio House of Representatives, while Hackett's take is: "Gay marriage -- who the hell cares?"

Schmidt commends Hackett for his service, but believes Hackett should "stand with the president" by "supporting the Iraqi war effort and our troops that are over there," her campaign manager Joe Braun said. (Through Braun, Schmidt declined to speak with Salon.) When asked to answer that charge, Hackett is blunt: "The only way I know how to support the troops is by going over there." He doesn't hesitate to criticize Schmidt's support of the war: "All the chicken hawks back here who said, 'Oh, Iraq is talking bad about us. They're going to threaten us' -- look, if you really believe that, you leave your wife and three kids and go sign up for the Army or Marines and go over there and fight. Otherwise, shut your mouth."


I LOVE IT !!

Now watch for Republican assertions that he's not a patriot, a coward, a traitor, and that military service counts for naught, while waving a "Dubya is Jesus" banner is the hallmark of a real American.

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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Run for the hills...Falcon84 is going to climax!  Wink

Seriously, is this special election just to finish out Portman's term? If so, when does it end?

I guess the only two things that he has going against him is inexperience and that whole personal injury lawyer thing...

Anyways, coming from a Republican, good luck to him and many thanks for his service in Iraq.



"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 1):
Run for the hills...Falcon84 is going to climax!

And Hillary Clinton and the Ohio GOP are going to have a meltdown.

I'd vote for this fellow over Her Royal Clintoness for Prez any day !


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

...seemingly a pretty good package:






....and his credentials don't sound too bad either  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Always look to wish a fellow veteran good luck. A fiscal conservative? We'll see. I'll probably disagree with him on several issues, seeing as he's a personal injury lawyer (which almost automatically makes him a serious democrat) but he volunteered to do his time and earned the right to say whatever he wants.

I'd be very upset if his opposition sought to try and use his service against him.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Oh my gosh!
Dio21 beat me to it!  Wow!

I was going to type; "The Republicans will beat him up and question his patriotism because he is a personal injury lawyer."
Well I'll be darned, the Republicans will try to make this an issue.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

No one questions his patriotism for being a personal injury lawyer....simply his decision making process!  Wink

I never met one of them who was not a Democrat or could make me believe they were not in it for the money.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
I'll probably disagree with him on several issues, seeing as he's a personal injury lawyer (which almost automatically makes him a serious democrat) but he volunteered to do his time and earned the right to say whatever he wants

Do you seriously believe that every personal injury lawyer is an ambulance chaser who tries to find a fat, clumsy woman who drops coffee on her crotch and then screams for $$$?

There is a place for personal injury attorneys (although some should be swinging at the end of a rope). If it weren't for the development of personal injury tort law, half the products we use today in America wouldn't have the quality safeguards we have become so accustomed to.

The public is fed titillating news like the coffee case (which ended up being dismissed), but the truth is that over 75% of the crappy law suits that ambulance chasers trot out are dismissed on technical grounds even before they make it to discovery. Of the remainder, there are plenty of egregious cases brought by greedy plaintiffs and even greedier lawyers, but the vast majority are serious cases in which a real injury was experienced.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

"Do you seriously believe that every personal injury lawyer is an ambulance chaser who tries to find a fat, clumsy woman who drops coffee on her crotch and then screams for $$$?"
Wow, you said it...not me. More than less.  Wink

Seriously....for every good one out there you will find a hundred guys trying to find their gold mine and screw the rest of the world. I actually have met a decent PI lawyer (he donates a significant chunk of what he earns, and does not file frivolous suits) but he is the serious exception to the rule.

These guys make it easy for people to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions and have helped to create an environment of such intense litigiousness that some businesses have almost been put out of business (see GA manufacturers until Congress stepped in).



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Those who hate lawyers never hate them when they need one.


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
I never met one of them who was not a Democrat or could make me believe they were not in it for the money.

Well, one has to make a living.  Smile

And, contrary to what we're led to believe, personal injury lawyers don't exactly make a ton of money. Sure, you have a few sharks who make a killing, but the vast majority don't.

In any case, there are some who aren't in it just for the money. Read "A Civil Action." An excellent book based on the groundwater toxic contamination cases in MA back in the 1980s, that killed over 50 children directly from cancer.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

I am sure Archie Bunker and the like would have no problems having there daughters married off to a successful Personal Injury Lawyer.


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Those who hate lawyers never hate them when they need one.

...substitute in "cops" for "lawyers", and you have an equally true statement as well


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
...substitute in "cops" for "lawyers", and you have an equally true statement as well

I agree.
Please don't tell me I look like Ice T.
My uncle does though. Big grin



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

This guy has one credential on his resume that no one can argue with.


Reminds me of when a guy working in a beer distributing warehouse first ran for congress in the early Eighties.

Candidate A: “I was born in Arizona, lived here all my life,,,blah blah…”

Candidate B: “My grandfather was in the Military, My father was in the Military, I was in the Military. We moved around a lot. As a matter of fact, my longest permanent address was the Hanoi Hilton.”


Needless to say, the subject never came up again. And guess who won.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
personal injury lawyer

Bad word in politics!


 spin 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

fly"Those who hate lawyers never hate them when they need one.
"

Lawyers are like politicians...they all suck except for mine when he's working for me.

Why don't sharks eat lawyers? Professional courtesy.

Why don't hogs eat lawyers? There's some things a hog just won't do.

Oh, I'm sorry, I did not really mean to take this thread in this direction.....please don't anyone else post any lawyer stories?

Oh, how many lawyer jokes are there in the world?

One.......



the rest of them are true stories.  Wink



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

He is an interesting candidate. This guy is a moderate democrat, but the 2nd congressional district is very conservative. The republicans have held this seat (and won easily in all but one election) since the early 70s.

He has the endorsement of the Cincinnati Post: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....=/20050726/NEWS02/507260388/-1/all


Interesting info:

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....=/20050723/NEWS01/507230343/-1/all

A major in the Marine Corps Reserves, attorney and resident of Indian Hill, the 43-year-old Hackett describes himself as a moderate Democrat and does not share Democratic party views on gun control, among other issues.

"I don't feel beholden to the Democratic or Republican Party because in some cases they both have it wrong," Hackett said.

Hackett said people vote Republican because they want to protect their right to own arms, but don't realize that they are giving up other personal freedoms.

Hackett, who owns assault rifles himself, supports timely background checks on gun purchasers, but disagrees with gun registration.


User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

He's got my vote.

...................................adam



Texas: You'll come for the Alamo, You'll stay because you were wrongfully executed. - Conan O'Brian State Quarters
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
I never met one of them who was not a Democrat or could make me believe they were not in it for the money

Do you really live in the South? Most of the personal injury lawyers around here aren't Democrats. Most of them lean toward the conservative side on all issues other than their means of making a living.

[Edited 2005-07-27 14:26:56]


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 1):
Run for the hills...Falcon84 is going to climax!

Uh, my wife would be very upset if that were the case.  Big grin

If you mean I'd be upset, you've got it wrong. The Dems need to find more guys like this, who are fiscally conservative, especially to be a contrast to the Tax-cut-and-spend Republicans, and the GOP would be hypocrites to flame this guy who actually served in the war

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
No one questions his patriotism for being a personal injury lawyer....simply his decision making process!

Because he's a Democrat, and because he doesn't kiss Bush's ass? Sounds to me like the guy can think on his own, Ian.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
I never met one of them who was not a Democrat or could make me believe they were not in it for the money.

ROTFL. The delicious irony of that statement, from someone who overwhelmingly supports the GOP and their pro-rich policies is too much to pass up, Ian! How DARE he be a Democrat!

I would vote for this guy in a heartbeat.

Maybe if he wins, it will bring out other such candidates among Democrats.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2159 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
The Dems need to find more guys like this

And support the Second Amendment. See Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer – a Democrat. He actually grew up on a ranch unlike a national politician who passes himself as a cowboy.

Given that hunting is in Governor Schweitzer's blood, he can be described as gun loving.

 spin 


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2150 times:

As I've said, I have no problem with the 2nd amendment towards hunting and collecting, I just don't see the need for high-powered rifles inside city limts, or a proliferation of handguns in the hands of idiot Joe Sixpack's.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Damn, any way we can get him to move to Anchorage? Of course, he'd have to change professions - we have plenty of Ambulance Chasers here already - but if we elect him to a full time office (I'm thinking Governor here) that won't be a problem . . .

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
Because he's a Democrat, and because he doesn't kiss Bush's ass? Sounds to me like the guy can think on his own, Ian.

Easy Killer - I didn't see where Ian said he was a Bush Ass-kisser - just his sentiment about his profession . . .  wink 

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
or a proliferation of handguns in the hands of idiot Joe Sixpack's.

I prefer my beer in bottles - by the case - don't have to go back to the store as often  bigthumbsup 

You have a point of course - just making humor since you and I are diametrically opposed on this idea . . .


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
Easy Killer - I didn't see where Ian said he was a Bush Ass-kisser - just his sentiment about his profession . . .

I don't think Falcon84 was calling DIO21 a Bush Ass-kisser.
I am sure the current Republican Congressman who represents this district is certainly a Bush Ass-kisser though.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
I don't think Falcon84 was calling DIO21 a Bush Ass-kisser.

No No, I understand that . . . he was referring to the Gyrine turned politician . . . no problem . . .


25 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Shouldn’t half of Alaska’s politicians be incarcerated or at least expelled from office due to ethics violations? If one is a Republican politici
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not really . . . there are some fairly honest schmoes in the jobs up here. Problem is - Alaska has such a small population, and on many occasions, we
27 Homer71 : Quite the opposite, Hackett sounds exactly like your kind of guy...
28 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Paul Hackett will appear tonight (28 July) on MSNBC’s Yellball (Hardball with Chris Matthews).
29 Post contains images Ruger11 : awesome... As a Marine, and as a gun owning citizen I am happy for him. I think the Democrats have gone way over the left-side of the ball park, and t
30 Superfly : How about Tony Knowles? He was a good man!
31 Johnboy : "I dunno....the Republicans did a pretty good whack job on me." Warm regards, Max Cleland (typing with stick clenched in teeth)
32 Post contains links and images FlyingTexan : "I want to keep the government out of your bedroom, out of your personal life and out of your gun safe" http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../200507
33 Post contains images NYCFlyer : This guy sounds awesome! Guys like him can save the Democratic Party. Guys like him can stop giving the Republicans their self-imposed ownership of "g
34 Post contains images FlyingTexan : The special election in against Republican Jean Schmidt is today (02 AUG).
35 Post contains images SFOMEX : Of course you would, he is a Democrat! That's enough to get your support Falcon84 In all seriousness, he seems to be the kind of candidate that most
36 MidnightMike : Everything looks good on paper, let us not forget Wesley Clark, what moron he turned out to be.
37 Post contains images Tbar220 : I hate that show so much. Yellball
38 Post contains images Superfly : Paul Hackett maybe a million times more qualified for the job, the voters of Ohio's 2nd district decides and that is one of the most conservative dist
39 Falcon84 : According the ABC affilliate in Cleveland, WEWS-TV, Schmitt defeated Hackett by less than 3000 votes. Well, it shows me one thing: people there don't
40 JamesAg96 : Now that's funny.
41 Falcon84 : Yeah, like I'm laughing, James. I'm right on on this one. Those people are so beholden to ideology down there, they'll never see the light of day agia
42 Post contains links DeltaFFinDFW : What's really interesting is that Hackett actually won Brown, Adams, Pike and Scioto counties. Of course, the majority of the population is in the Cin
43 JamesAg96 : Oh I don't doubt that you are right...I just thought this was funny coming from you
44 Post contains images Sydscott : People with common sense don't last as politicians. They want to do all sorts of silly things like change things, represent real people and make gove
45 Superfly : JamesAg96: Why is that comment "funny" coming from Falcon84? Falcon84 is a conservative Democrat whom I butt heads with a lot. I am way more liberal t
46 Tbar220 : What a dissapointment. She ran a pretty dirty campaign and won. I honestly feel the less qualified person won this.
47 Post contains links and images Falcon84 : Well, with the Bolton shame, I've voted for Voinovich for the last time. I don't feel I'm a "conservative Democrat". I feel I'm very centrist. I've c
48 Jamesag96 : It's funny coming from him and on this site...which is overrun with leftist liberals and yellow dog voting Democrats.
49 Falcon84 : Far righties like you always say something is overrun with "leftist liberals" (aren't they the same to you?). And what is a "yellow dog voting Democr
50 Post contains images DL021 : Falcon...in case the question was serious a "yellow dog Democrat" is a guy about whom it is said would vote for a yellow dog if they put one on the De
51 Superfly : What credientials does Schmitt bring to the table?
52 Falcon84 : She's a Bush ass-kisser, who supports the war, but wouldn't dare ever go over herself. And she has those "moral" values. Rah rah.
53 Superfly : ...and that's the problem with these conservatives. Paul Hackett has an impecable resume yet his only sin is that he is a Democrat.
54 Jaysit : Bush kissing political whore who will be a rubber stamp and beholden to Rove. In the end people deserve who they get. If the people of this district
55 JamesAg96 : I in no way resemble a "far rightie" despite your claim otherwise....and this site is overrun with people that are far left...that is fairly obvious.
56 JamesAg96 : I don't know anything about the lady...but glad to see that her "credentials" were listed fairly and acurately.
57 Falcon84 : Really? I asked you if that's what it meant. I got a response. And you think you deserve a what? Right. Denied.
58 JamesAg96 : No...you asked what it meant...and then assumed what it meant: Don't apologize, I don't give a shit just shows everybody what type of person you are.
59 Post contains links JamesAg96 : With regards to her credentials...and again I don't have a horse in this race...but one quick look at her website gives you her history: http://www.je
60 Post contains images Logan22L : Among her endorsers: National Rifle Association National Right to Life, PAC Cincinnati Right to Life, PAC Family First, PAC Ohio Pro-Family Network, P
61 Post contains images FlyingTexan : She wants everyone to adopt a frozen embryo. Too bad Hackett lost, but within 4% of his opponent. Remarkable for a Rove stronghold.
62 Post contains images Superfly : " target=_blank>http://www.jeanschmidt.com/ Looks like she sat on a lot of boards and committees and took photos with Republican members of Congress.
63 Post contains images Superfly : I meant to post this yesterday but any victory 10 points or less for Schmitt would be considered an embarassment to the GOP. OK, so now you won a seat
64 Post contains images DeltaFFinDFW : Southern Ohio - your new Congresswoman doing her best Howard Dean!!
65 Texdravid : For those who think racism exists only in southern Ohio or in the southern U.S. only and that the northern states/coastal states are safe havens from
66 Seb146 : So that runaway spending and illegal wars can continue to be the order of the day. Yay for South Ohio making the best choice..... *rolls eyes* GO CAN
67 Superfly : Very true. Look no further than the Howard Beach incident 15 years ago. Look at the integration controversy in Boston back in the 1970s. Everyone kno
68 Flybyguy : I don't get why everyone is so crazy about this guy... the fact is he lost. Plain and simple. The Republican stranglehold on the American government o
69 Post contains images Superfly : How can a Tom, Dick or Harry get an abortion?
70 SFOMEX : She is the president of Cincinnati Right to Life. It seems that it was an important fact for a lot of good folks in southern Ohio. You may not agree,
71 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Yea, they want the gov't in their bedrooms, personal lives. Hackett clearly stated he doesn't want that (along with the gov't in your gun safe).
72 Texdravid : Maybe not, but I just want to remind folks on these boards who instantly impugn and demean all southerners. Bigotry and prejudice exists in many form
73 Post contains images Falcon84 : Yeah, those right to lifers, who are pro-war. Go figure. I'm not. I'm tired of this far-right zealotry over one issue. It's going to bite them in the
74 SFOMEX : Wrong Falcon and you know it very well. All I want is exactly what you want: a government that respects and takes in consideration my values. I have
75 JamesAg96 : Again with the humor, as if the democrats are ruled by level headed people.
76 L-188 : Guys, he could have been the only guy to vote for himself and the democrats still would have held him up. Fact is that the Democrats have started to r
77 Falcon84 : Bull. You want more than that! You want YOUR VALUES to be the law of the land, no matter who it stomps on, no matter who it belittles, no matter who
78 Jaysit : What makes it even more shameful is that while Republican voters voter for Schmidt and rejoiced over her victory that they put yet another GWB rubber
79 Falcon84 : And 19 of them were from Ohio-in fact, they're all from a unit in Greater Cleveland. Rejoice, southern Ohio, you got your war cheerleader, who's neve
80 JamesAg96 : So now you have to have been in a war to be a good leader, or a proponent of war?
81 Superfly : Perhaps an understanding of what war really is helps. It's ironic that the only person in Bush's cabinet that served in combat was the most hesitant
82 Falcon84 : Maybe if you see it firsthand, up close, James, you wouldn't be so quick to support sending someone else's son or daughter off to possibly die for a
83 7FTwinOtter : You are joking right?, to me on this side of the pond I would consider the democrats right of centre. Do you know what an anarchist is?, I don't see
84 L-188 : Actually I would say that it shows how far left Europe has slid the past 50 years. Please don't take that as a critisim, but I would hope this countr
85 Post contains images 7FTwinOtter : Don't worry, I don't take being called left-wing as a criticism, but I hate being called a liberal . I disagree with you on Europe becoming more left
86 Post contains links and images Falcon84 : http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/KO.jpg POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER! Agree. All these guys over here, like Jcs17 and Txdravid, who are cheerleaders
87 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ok, let's do that over: There we go! Haven't done that in a while.
88 Jaysit : Here's another coward - the right's favorite druggie, Rush Limberger, spewing vomit as usual as he shamelessly vilifies Hackett: Rush: Can a liberal D
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