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"Saw An Avantime Yesterday" Part II  
User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1603 times:

Thought it was time for another European-based automotive design discussion. Whilst travelling on the TGV on Tuesday (as you do) I saw a Peugeot 1007 parked at the side of the road (in Poitiers if memory serves me correctly). I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing them on the road in the UK, and seeing how they fare in the crowded small car market. Has Peugeot reinvented the supermini wheel, combining innovation, versatility and individuality in a refreshingly alternative package, or is the 1007 relatively overpriced, poorly packaged and narrow-niched to find true sales success and critical acclaim? In short, is it going to be another Jazz or Avantime?

Rich

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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5806 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1598 times:

Haven't seen it yet so I Googled it:

http://img.stern.de/_content/52/42/524254/Peugeot-1007-750_750.jpg

While it has the look of dozens of other cars on the road, it's distinctively a Peugeot, and no doubt it will sell. So I don't think it will be an Avantime - which, I believe, was too ahead of its time for its own good.


User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Quite similar to the new Mitsubishi Colt...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/jamie757/Colt.jpg

Rgds.


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3316 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

A few days ago I went with my wonderful spouse to the Peugeot dealer (actually bringing her 206 for repair).
We were about 30m from the place when my wonderful spouse stopped at once and said (half screamed actually) "I want that car".
I can tell by experience that Peugoet has a hit....at my wallet also. Bastards !

Letting my wonderful spouse discussing with the vendor how much she (..or I) needed to add to exchange the punched 206 for the shining 1007, I had a look at the thing.
Modern design, part classic part fashion of the day.
New (more powerful) engines though the "old" ones (1.4-1.6) are also available.
No fuss inside (2 + 2 seats but they say it's a 5 seats..), but it looks roomy and they have added a very cheap trick to seduce the young and the "still wannabe young", the kit pack of plastic devices available in various fancy colors, which allows the owner (actual or virtual one) to tailor his car.

While not revolutionary, the motorized sliding doors are very nice and a definite good point in town.


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Iakobos, what engines does the 1007 have in the Greek market? In the UK it's the 1.4 and 1.6 petrols and the (lower-output) 1.4 HDi.

I can't help but thinking Peugeot might have missed a trick with the doors, in that they're so slow - reportedly taking five seconds to open and six seconds to close. Think about that - that's an age. I'd be interested to see how much effort is needed to open and close them manually.

The Caméléo colour-change interior sets are simple yet effective - have we seen them before somewhere or am I just getting confused?

Fundamentally the 1007 (don't say "one-double-oh-seven"!) seems compromised in terms of weight and (packaging) practicality, but at the same time it's distinctive, stylish and unique. Similarly compromised cars have gone on to great sales success - witness the Mini and New Beetle most obviously - so will the not-so-little Peugeot go on to do the same?

Rich


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Actually we had a whole load of 1007's here yesterday as they were doing a big Peugeot promtional thing here introducing it to all the dealers.

I suspect that with Peugeot;s usual reliability issues, the doors will give no end of trouble.

I do have to say that it does look like a modern invalid car Big grin



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User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3316 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Rich,

In Greece they propose the 1.4 and 1.6, both in the new (pumped up) or old versions. ABS is standard. No diesel here, it is forbidden.
Still at around 15,000Euro (w/1.4 new) it is not cheap, I estimate the part of the price that involves simply the "appeal" stands at 15%.

The sliding doors are no gadget here, since most sidewalks are fitted with (usually) short obstacles to prevent wild parking. A God-send for repair shops...
4-6 seconds is also adequate time for the show off (women do not think in terms of material practicality, am I wrong ?).


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 4):
seems compromised in terms of weight and (packaging) practicality, but at the same time it's distinctive, stylish and unique.

The question is will be people willing to fork money just for the door and also will not the classic situation with French cars repeat itself? Load it up to the roof with electronics is one thing and make the gadgets work with great degree reliability is another (C5).
As far as usefulness is concerned the 107 is not that much different, looks are not dramatically different either yet it costs half of the 1007.

http://www.auto.cz/novy_katalog/images/pe/17/pe1728.jpg

And if you want great looks and quality (not great looks only which is the case of most Peugeots) then Seat Leon is THE thing for you:

http://www.auto.cz/novy_katalog/images/se/le/sele23.jpg
http://www.auto.cz/novy_katalog/images/se/le/sele41.jpg

[Edited 2005-07-29 13:13:53]

User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

I completey agree with L410Turbolet. I don't think they will sell a lot of them... It's gonna be OK but not a 206 best-seller.

It's too EXPENSIVE. You have the 107 for 8000€ which will take a big share of the market.

Actually, Peugeot had problems with the sliding doors (my step-father worked on them and they were struggling making the mechanism light and reliable) and they had to delay the entry in the market of the 1007 by 6 months... which made it coincide with the arrival of the 107!
The comparison is then even easier for the automotive magazines... and they will promote the 107.

The 1007 will work with some wealthy people who want to differentiate themselves and stay in the city centre.


Cheers!


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 6):
4-6 seconds is also adequate time for the show off (women do not think in terms of material practicality, am I wrong ?).

Lol... very fitting coming from a Greek

By the way, the picture that Braybuddy posted appears to be of the Sésame concept (although I don't remember seeing one in that colour before). The production 1007 has a far nicer (though still modern Peugeot) front end.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
The question is will be people willing to fork money just for the door and also will not the classic situation with French repeat itself? Load it up to the roof with electronics is one thing and make the gadgets work with great degree reliability is another.
As far as usefulness is concerned the 107 is not that much different, looks are not dramatically different either yet it costs half of the 1007.

Apart from the nose (and even that's a tenuous link really), I can't really find any significant styling similarities between the two cars. Besides, the two cars are aimed at really rather different markets. Yes, both are going to be marketed towards young trendy city types, but there's a world of difference between the cheap-new-car market and that for upmarket, expensive-looking fashion cars. There's not exactly any overlap between a Lupo (or, more appropriately, the new Fox) and a New Beetle is there?

Regarding the new León, it's not a bad looker in itself, but I can't help feeling that the shape is more suited to the upright Altea and Toledo than the sporty-hatch León. Whereas the last model had a hint of Lancia Delta about it, and looked the business in Cupra form, I can't help feeling that the new design is just that bit too monobox-y (although admittedly that never hurt the Civic Type-R). And why is it nigh-on identical to the Altea and Toledo until the B-pillars? I don't mind the Altea and Toledo looking the same - after all, they're effectively just different bodystyles of the same car with different names (in a similar manner to the previous Toledo and León). With the new León, however, I really think Seat should have made the effort to design something more distinct. Methinks León owners aren't going to be hugely pleased when people mistake their slinky new hatchback for a midi-MPV.

Rich


EDIT: Why don't my accents work?

[Edited 2005-07-29 13:22:07]

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 8):
It's too EXPENSIVE. You have the 107 for 8000€ which will take a big share of the market.

Even the 107/C1/Aygo is too expensive, Toyota in particular. I thought they will price it so they can compete with i.e. Kia Picanto, Daewoo Matiz, Hyundai Atos, Fiat Panda, etc. and promote the safety/quality aspect of their cars.

I don't know about other countries, but the Toyota Aygo is so expensive over here that the fully loaded Yaris with great reliability reputation is just as expensive if not cheaper, yet it's a bigger car with more value.
The situation is more less same with 107 getting with its price dangerously close to the base models of 206 and in case of Citroen there seems to be not much difference between C1 and C2 with C3 offering way much better value for money than C1/C2 does.


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