747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3507 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
Nissan has the Maxima and Toyota has the Avalon why Honda has no car to fight them. A scaled down Honda version of the Acura RL would make the perfect car to go against the Nissan Maxima and theToyoda Avalon. The V6 in RL can be tune down and compete with the 265 hp V6 in the Maxima and the 280 hp in the new Avalon. I know Honda has there reason, but I see it as a miss opportunity.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 3189 times:
Because Honda is a useless car, that's why. They spend all their time trying to market it as a complete gas saver...you'll never see a honda with more horsepower than it needs..no fun in fuel savings. Any honda I've ever driven was a gas sipping, 0-60 in 2.5 days, busch-league piece of highschool-grade junk. Just my .02 though.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 3178 times:
They don't need a separate car, they already have the Accord as their flagship car. If you want more luxury and preformance, then go to the Acura line. that is just like the American car business, you had the Chevy for the basic customer with Olds, Buick and then Caddy for the better off customers.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 3176 times:
The interesting thing about Honda is that the Accord sold in Europe is always different then the one sold in North America, at least the sedan model is. The current European Accord is sold in North America as the Acura TSX, go figure.
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 3174 times:
um, what about the Accord? I would venture to say that is their "flagship" car. I don't know much about the brand but the Accord certainly looks like a decent car that can compete with all the others in that class.
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3): If you want more luxury and preformance, then go to the Acura line.
EXACTLY! Although, you can get some luxury with the Accord but obviously less priced than the Acura RL.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Nissan has the Maxima and Toyota has the Avalon why Honda has no car to fight them. A scaled down Honda version of the Acura RL would make the perfect car to go against the Nissan Maxima and theToyoda Avalon.
Honda, by marketing its Acura division to not only the high (like Lexus) but also the medium level market, has killed the Honda marque's need for a top level car in the US. Remember too, the Maxima has always been targeted more at sport sedan buyers, while the Avalon and the much lamented Cressida are square at the Buick-buying public
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter): The V6 in RL can be tune down and compete with the 265 hp V6 in the Maxima and the 280 hp in the new Avalon.
They would need to uprate the engine in that case, not derate it
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Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter): A scaled down Honda version of the Acura RL would make the perfect car to go against the Nissan Maxima and theToyoda Avalon.
They do it's called the Acura TL. And it whips the Maxima. You can even get it with a 6 speed.
Toyota only sold a little over 37,000 Avalons in 2004, down from about 51,000 in 03. Nissan has been struggling with the Maxima also, as you can tell by the $1500 rebate they are offering on them.
For 2006 the Accord V6 is rated at 250hp (up 10 from 05) and both the sedan and coupe are available with a 6speed manual. They will also feature the most technologically advanced navigation system in their class. IMHO the Accord fills a huge spectrum of the market. From the 18,000 Value Package to the $32,000 Hybrid.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
Quoting Flight152 (Reply 13): What a useless comment. Honda kicks GM's ass in the reliability, depreciation and build quality is concerned, which hardly makes it useless.
Absolutly, Honda's are fantastic. I've had a Civic and an Accord and never had a single problem with them. I had a Pontiac Sunbird and it was literly in the garage getting fixed every other weekend.
My parents have have had 2 Buicks, nothing but problems. And are now very happy with their Accord.
Quoting Flight152 (Reply 13): Not always true, VW has made a niche (abliet quite small) for the Phaeton.
Very, very, very, very small niche. Personally I think they should have given the car and Audi badge. As good as the Phaeton is, and I'm sure it's worth every penny, but $66,000 is waaaaaaaay too much for a VW.
RedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15): Very, very, very, very small niche. Personally I think they should have given the car and Audi badge. As good as the Phaeton is, and I'm sure it's worth every penny, but $66,000 is waaaaaaaay too much for a VW.
Ditto for the British market, but replacing the dollar sign with a pound sign. Now that's too much for a VW A8!
Not to mention almost every vehicle that they make. I once had the opportunity to get a ride in GM's "flagship" SUV, the Cadillac Escalade, and for a vehicle that cost almost CDN$110,000, I was dismayed to see more plastic trim than in an econobox. Also, the fit and finish of the interior reminded you that you are in fact driving a truck and not a vehicle passed off as a luxury car.
And don't get me even started on GM's mid-sized and econoboxes...they are poorly made, butt-ugly and very unreliable. Christ, my 18 year old VW is more reliable than some of these cars.
The only cars that GM produces that I can tolerate are the GTO (we don't get it here in Canada, the current model is done next year, and they're gonna screw it up in 2008 anyways by making it into a 4-door coupe...let's see how bad GM makes it), and the C6.
Now, as far as I'm concerned, when you buy a Honda (and to a lesser extent, Toyota), you are getting far superior automobile in all aspects. Even GM will admit it...their new ad campaign for their trucks says it all..."There's no Japanese word for pick-up truck". Now why would they be spreading FUD if they had a better product than the Nissan Titan or the Toyota Tundra?
AmericanMD80 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1): Because Honda is a useless car, that's why. They spend all their time trying to market it as a complete gas saver...you'll never see a honda with more horsepower than it needs..no fun in fuel savings. Any honda I've ever driven was a gas sipping, 0-60 in 2.5 days, busch-league piece of highschool-grade junk. Just my .02 though.
I guess you've never had the pleasure of driving one with one of their smooth, very responsive V6's. I drive a 97 Civic with 104,000 miles on it. Never a single problem. I love getting great gas mileage. My friends have had nothing but problems with the their GM's.
Accord's kick ass. But it is dissapointing that they put all the luxury emphasis on Acura.
Cannot wait to see the 2006 Civic. I hear we're getting Navi available in it. Moving up market.
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