So the question is: Did the bombers know what they were carrying or not?
Were they true suicide bombers or were they of the traditional kind of terrorists placing bombs and then disappearing?
Then, since they probably met the bomb builder and people from higher up in the terror organisation, were they killed to prevent them from talking or changing their minds?
In Israel, suicide bombers have been found, who's hands were taped to the firing switch, and in some cases tjhe bombs had a second detonating circuit to be fired by some observer, in case the bomber should change his mind. In some cases retarded persons have been used as mules and the bombs remotely detonated.
If it is proven that they got duped, this might break up support for the terrorist leadership.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Quoting Saintsman (Reply 1): I understood that mobiles do not work underground - no signal?
Depends.
I don't know how London underground is equiped, but e.g. Berlin U-Bahn has transceivers inside the tunnels, so that there is cellphone coverage underground as well.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 779 times:
All things known point towards them NOT expecting to die but to get out after having placed the devices. Suppose, the leaders knew that the four men, thanks to scientific research and to video-surveillance, would have been found fairly soon, and therefore carefully eliminated them.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 762 times:
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6): How can you say that???? What on earth do you know that the rest of us don't?
Are you joking ???? I followed BRITISH press reports in the internet.
> They purchased return-tickets on public transport
> They purchased parking-tickets for a full day
> They prepared things for the evening when getting home
> They took all their papers carefully with them
- and so on, etc, and so on --- HEAPS of such indications. True, nothing is proven and possibly never will.
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All this, to repeat it, has been discussed and elaborated in the British media. I checked things up on the internet WEBsites of BBC, SkyNews, theTimes, DailyTelegraph, EveningStandard, DailyMail, DailyMirror, News-of-the-World, FinancialTimes. AGAIN, nothing is proven, nothing is clear, nothing is confirmed. BUT it is well possible that many things will remain unclear.
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Just last year had a lengthy discussion with an Imam of a CentralEuropean mosque who wanted to tell me that 11Sep01 in reality had been all different. True enough, many points ARE unclear and others a bit "shrouded in mystery" but HIS position lacked ANY proof and has/had a very low "probability-rating". While I accept that many things of older and recent history can never be proven, I reject the notion that only fully proven things can be discussed or taken as "given". Just look at the Lusitania. Even in your country, reality about the sinking of the Lusitania only became known many decades after those events. Most people alive in those days had died long before the full reality became known.
GoAround From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 616 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 753 times:
To clarify, I believe there is no signal anywhere on the underground parts of the Tube. You will, of course, receive signals on the overground parts of the network.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 753 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7): Just last year had a lengthy discussion with an Imam of a CentralEuropean mosque who wanted to tell me that 11Sep01 in reality had been all different.
Isn't this guy a certain Sudanese called Mohammed Abbas?
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 753 times:
Another thing is that most suicide bombers so far left elaborate written or video statements, and in most cases shaved off their body hair, all things the London bombers didn't do.
My information comes from early BC texts released shorly after the bombings. Unfortunately I can not find them anymore.
Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 745 times:
Mobile phones do not work on the below surface parts of the London Underground, this was confirmed recently by the Met Police and the Underground after a hoax email that went around after the attacks saying that you can contact emergency services on the Underground even if you have no signal.
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6): Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
All things known point towards them NOT expecting to die but to get out after having placed the devices.
How can you say that???? What on earth do you know that the rest of us don't?
ME AVN FAN is the Anet king of drawing conclusions from zero facts about an event, you just need to look at his thoughts on the shooting of the man at Stockwell tube station to confirm this. Either that or he has a crystal ball.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 702 times:
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 13): THEY DID. They had to maintain a sense of normaility so as not to rouse suspicion
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May be, or NOT. Maybe we will NEVER really know. That I do NOT know does NOT bother me much. What is embarassing however is the feeling that those who SHOULD know do NOT.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 676 times:
Ok, I just heard similar news on CNN World TV news. Apparently the information was given to NYPD officials, who went to London shortly after the attacks, so that they could brief their own police force. This, confident, information was leaked out to private security contractors by the New York police, who spread it.
According to CNN, while London Metropolitan Police are refusing to comment officially, an inofficial source told CNN that they are less than pleased about another police department disclosing confident information about an ongoing investigation.
Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 38 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 657 times:
the news here in the UK is reporting that mobile phone alarms were set to 8:50 to trigger the bombs, so no signal was required.
It may be a case that they didnt know they were to die when the bomb went off, on the other hand they may well have knew and the alarms were used to coordinate the explosions for maximum effect.
BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 654 times:
Quoting Saintsman (Reply 1): I understood that mobiles do not work underground - no signal?
Correct, they don't. One of the bombs was in a particularly deep tunnel, no chance of a signal down there.
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