I was LMAO until tears were dripping on the keyboard!
BTW, this is not a real Hummer. Rumor has it that the H2 is really a heavily modified body of the H1 stuck on a Chevrolet Suburban chassis. Does anyone know if this is true? I knew they were too good to be true. I think that guy did some permanent damage to his transmission, not to mention the front wheel.
I had a long argument with a friend who happens to be a lawyer in California. He said that he would rule against any company that makes products that appear to be very rugged if someone is injured using their products. He said he would do so if they bought the product based on its appearance. I argued that people stupid enough to do stuff like this without any experience or training have nullified their right to sue. An example: my friend cited a case where a truck accessories company was sued because a customer bought a fancy chrome light bar so he could drive at night. He flipped the truck and the bar collapsed, leaving him seriously injured. He took them to court and said it should have protected him because it was a "roll bar." Let's back up a second. He said it was a roll bar. That makes no sense. To me, it looks like a simple device to support the extra fog lights, nothing more. Now why was this moron able to win the case in court when it was his fault he flipped his truck over?
Anyone familiar with US laws regarding advertising? The way I see it, when someone buys an off-road vehicle and does something crazy like bounce it over two-foot rocks, they're asking for trouble BUT they shouldn't be able to take the car company to court for their own negligence. So, how did they win in court in the first place? Would this be in the same area as smoking for 20 years and then suing the cigarette company because you got lung cancer? How about eating fatty foods for your whole life and suing fast food restaurants because you had a heart attack? Are these two examples in the same area as suing AM General because the H2 looked tough but sustained severe damage off road? PS: my father had a mild heart attack several years ago because of his poor diet but I didn't file any lawsuits against fast food chains. The way I see it, if you can't be REASONABLY careful, you have no right to sue.
DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1820 times:
Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter): BTW, this is not a real Hummer. Rumor has it that the H2 is really a heavily modified body of the H1 stuck on a Chevrolet Suburban chassis. Does anyone know if this is true? I knew they were too good to be true. I think that guy did some permanent damage to his transmission, not to mention the front wheel.
Looks like the transmission overtorqued the front axle, the wheel snapping you saw was actually the front axle breaking...that hummer's going nowhere fast. btw, it isn't a rumor, GM advertises that H2 bodies are built on the same chassis as the suburban and silverado trucks.
Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter): Anyone familiar with US laws regarding advertising? The way I see it, when someone buys an off-road vehicle and does something crazy like bounce it over two-foot rocks, they're asking for trouble BUT they shouldn't be able to take the car company to court for their own negligence.
The driver was being a dumbass as he had a smoother ride on to the right of where he actually went, BUT: GM does advertise that the H2 is an excellent off-roader so I believe if enough people got together there could be a class action law suit.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter): Rumor has it that the H2 is really a heavily modified body of the H1 stuck on a Chevrolet Suburban chassis. Does anyone know if this is true?
A glance up under an H1 and H2 will tell you there is a huge difference between them.
On the "real" HumVee the axles enter the final drives (wheels) up near the top and there is a gear train inside the wheel itself transmitting the torque.
The H2 has a differential and axles just like any other light truck, with the axles entering at the center of the wheel. I don't know if it is Suburban running gear, it might be from a light delivery truck or something, but an H2 just a weak, watered down HumVee wannabe.
The HumVee is too wide for most jeep roads.
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Msl747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter):
BTW, this is not a real Hummer. Rumor has it that the H2 is really a heavily modified body of the H1 stuck on a Chevrolet Suburban chassis. Does anyone know if this is true?
"The sharing of architecture can be applied in many different ways. Take the Hummer H2 from GM, for example: The H2 is derived from the GMT-800 platform, allowing Hummer engineers to tap into a broad array of existing components to adapt to their needs. The front end of the frame was spun off from the 2500 Series SUVs (3/4-ton Suburban and Yukon XL), while the rear portion was borrowed from the 1500 Series (Tahoe and Yukon) for its five-link suspension components. Although both the front and rear sections of the frame were modified so that the H2 would have improved approach and departure angles for traveling off road, the rest of the components were the same as the heavy-duty utilities', right down to dies and metals. In cases where new elements had to be developed, the previous work on developing the suspension geometry alone saved months in the process."
TheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
That's the first time I've ever seen a Hummer off-road (excluding commercials). Kinda funny how it just breaks like a cheap toy.
So, why do people spend their money on a gas guzzling, over priced, under-quality vehicle to impress other people they don't even know? My Camry could have handled that rock better.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
Quoting TheCoz (Reply 6): Kinda funny how it just breaks like a cheap toy.
A tie rod simply popped out of place, it can happen with the best offroading vehicles in the world. I've seen guys completely tear up Jeeps doing trails easier than what's pictured in this video.
A lot of it depends on the driver, more than you think. The driver of the H2 obviously couldn't drive offroad worth a shit.
Quoting TheCoz (Reply 6): My Camry could have handled that rock better.
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
Quoting TheCoz (Reply 6): Kinda funny how it just breaks like a cheap toy.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7): A tie rod simply popped out of place, it can happen with the best offroading vehicles in the world.
"Can" happen for sure. Far less likely with better ground clearance. We used to have a '63 Land Cruiser, it was run off the side of a cattleguard one day. The cattleguard was made from 30-lb. railroad rail (thirty pounds to the yard) spiked to 16x16 timbers. The tie rod of the Land Crusher tipped four rails over, pulling the spikes out of the wood, without damaging the tie rod.
When they started the Camel Off-Road GT all competitors were driving identical Range Rovers. All the rescue and service vehicles were Toyota FJ-40 Land Cruisers. There was a reason for that.
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7): I've seen guys completely tear up Jeeps doing trails easier than what's pictured in this video.
There used to be a Jeep Wagoneer high-centered on two rocks in the canyon south of Slide Mountain Nevada. You could rock it back and forth with one hand, but you couldn't make a tire touch the ground. Pretty damn funny! I know it sat there for many months. Don't know if they ever got it out.
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Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
The only similarity between the H1 Hummer and the H2 & H3 Hummers are the Hummer names. The H1 is built by AM General for the military and civilian market. AM General licensed the use of the name to General Motors for the H2 & H3 line of 4 wheel drive vehicles which are built in GM plants.
This is nothing but a smart marketing gimmick by GM by making customers think they are getting a smaller vehicle built like the H1 and capable of doing what the H1 can do off road and charging a lot more money when in reality they are getting a Chevy Tahoe or a conglomeration of its cousins with a different body.
I would like to know how they got the H2 in the video back on the road, did they tow it out with some large off the road tow truck or repair it where it broke down. Either way I think the owner learned an expensive lesson about the capabilities of the H2. I doubt very much this was repaired under warranty.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
The Toronto International Auto Show has an "off-road" track so customers can try out off-road vehicles in this light environment. Interestingly, back in the 90's during one of the shows, the real Hummer was stranded because an axle broke. I'm not here to vilify the real Hummer, but just to say that even the best vehicles aren't infallible. I'm not a fan of the H2 by any means, as I think GM is just milking the Hummer brand with slightly modified renditions of generic GM trucks with different styling and a bit of tweaking. This to me does not make a real Hummer, but rather a very successful marketing exercise.
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ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1605 times:
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7): A lot of it depends on the driver, more than you think. The driver of the H2 obviously couldn't drive offroad worth a shit.
Ain't that the truth. Any moron climbing rocks knows you *never* hammer the gas to get over a rock, for the very reason illustrated in the video. The failure occurs when the wheel gets some free-wheeling velocity and then suddenly catches on whatever it can find.
This is why real off-roaders use locked differentials, etc.
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BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7): A lot of it depends on the driver, more than you think. The driver of the H2 obviously couldn't drive offroad worth a shit.
No need for revving the hell out of it like he was doing. Must have been a real amateur driver.
Learpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Quoting TheCoz (Reply 6): So, why do people spend their money on a gas guzzling, over priced, under-quality vehicle to impress other people they don't even know?
Because they're overcompensating for being hung like a 2 year old.
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Stoney From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 199 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
As far as I know the H3 is built on the basis of the Jeep Liberty. At least that is what they said in the local paper (Pensacola or mobile, don't know anymore). And in that article they said it's actually not a good car at all, but if you want the mean looks for a rather cheap price, that's the car to buy.....
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BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
Apparently the H4, due for release in 2008, is based on a GM Metro. Probably.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
"So, why do people spend their money on a gas guzzling, over priced, under-quality vehicle to impress other people they don't even know?"
"Because they're overcompensating for being hung like a 2 year old."
Bingo! The mentality of Hummer buyers surely transcends rationality. Civilianizing the military Humvee in the first place was perhaps the dumbest idea ever. Only a relative handful of very well-off dudes buy this $140,000. monster yearly; its almost too big to negotiate backroads and needs a supersized garage. But at least the H1 Alpha has genuine offroad credibility, unlike the pretender H2 which on paper has the specs but seems to be coming up short on durability. Though way cheaper than an H1, it's hardly a bargain, especially now with rapidly escalating gas prices. The new, even cheaper H3 is 50% more fuel efficient than an H2, though that's still only about 15 MPG and it's severely underpowered. Though I like the visual statement these vehicles make, they're too far from reasonable to even consider, except for maybe an H3. With the H1 an ultrapricey niche model and the volume-intended H2 now dying on the vine, saleswise, Hummer had better hope the H3 is a sustained hit as it rushes an even smaller H4 to market. Scaling down the look should work with many buyers and in any case, Hummer has no choice; offering the biggest, gas-thirstiest "lifestyle statement" is turning out to have not been a very good idea. What were they thinking?
777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Quoting TheCoz (Reply 6): So, why do people spend their money on a gas guzzling, over priced, under-quality vehicle to impress other people they don't even know?
Because they are selfish, self-centered, gotta-outdo-the-Joneses wannabees, who are overcompensating for their life's deficiencies and feel that because we live in a free society, that means that they have every right to consumed more of this planets resources than anyone else.
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777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
Quoting Stoney (Reply 18): As far as I know the H3 is built on the basis of the Jeep Liberty. At least that is what they said in the local paper (Pensacola or mobile, don't know anymore).
No way. The Liberty is a product of Daimler-Chrysler, and the H3/Colorado is GM. No mixing of pedigrees here.
Russ
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25 CaptOveur: I think he meant they were thinking along the same lines and targeting the same buyers. The vehicles are very similar, and neither one will really ho
26 FlyingTexan: I counted three Hummer H3 models this morning at me local supermarket. :eek!!! One pulled up in a handicap space and parked there. No visible handicap
27 Airlinerfreak: I saw an H3 this morning, and I was looking for the rest of the car.
28 BristolFlyer: Probably all fallen off on an offroad trail somewhere. BF
29 Airlinerfreak: Apparently you havent seen the size of the new H3, or the lack there of for that matter.
30 BristolFlyer: I have, I was just twisting your comment to reflect the idea that Hummers break easily when offroad (as demonstrated in the vid in the thread starter
31 Airlinerfreak: The break just as easily on road. Heh.
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