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Stores Closed On Sunday (Blue Laws)  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

In Bergen County, NJ, where I live, county laws prohibit the sale of clothing, appliances, furniture, and furnishings on Sundays. Even so, all stores are closed on Sunday except for restaurants and the supermarket. For example, CompUSA is still closed even though it doesn't sell any of the aforementioned items. It's something that has existed for my whole life, and it's still a little weird to me when I go somewhere else in the country and things are actually open on a Sunday.

Is there anywhere else in the country that has such a law (or anything like it)? They're referred to as "blue laws" here, and my parents and I were wondering about that as we drove on Route 17 (the main retail highway in Bergen County) with every single store along the highway, as well as both Paramus malls, closed.

[Edited 2005-08-09 05:51:16]

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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Yes. A lot of places in the South have them. When I lived in Chattanooga, Tennessee the liquor stores, supermarkets, bars, 24 hour stores and certain restaurants were required to close at midnight and would not reopen until noon on Sunday. It's not wierd per se, nor motivated by religion. Keeping the stores closed means that employers do not have to pay staff to run the store when it's likely to be lightly patronized.


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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Thread starter):
Is there anywhere else in the country that has such a law (or anything like it)?

Yup, you see 'em all over South Carolina. No carry-out liquor sales (bars and restaurants still serve, however) and it varies from county to county, but most retail shops can't open up before a set time (usually 1:00 or 2:00) and only groceries can be sold. In stores that sold both (Wal-Mart for instance) the "merchandise" areas have to be blocked off (usually that entrance to the store would be closed and like police tape or ropes around that area) and sales of such items had to stop right at midnight or the store could face fines. Case in point - I was in line at a Wal-Mart one night. All I had were groceries, but the guy in front of me had some oil and some stuff to fix his boat. The clerk refused to ring any of that up. Personally I hate them and find them a major pain in the ass. The day SC gets rid of them, the better off they'll be.



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User currently offlineVulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 1):
It's not wierd per se, nor motivated by religion. Keeping the stores closed means that employers do not have to pay staff to run the store when it's likely to be lightly patronized.

I live in Georgia right now, and you can't buy alcohol on Sunday. Most stores are open though-it only applies to alcohol. I think it must be motivated by religion then, right? You can still drink in bars and restaurants on sunday here.

-kevin



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Michigan still has vestiges of blue laws.

We can not purchase alcohol on Sundays until noon.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

I also live in Bergen County, New Jersey where we have strong 'Blue Laws'. This is despite that it is one of the largest retail shopping places in the USA, with 2 large full service shopping malls and representives of almost all chain stores Macy's to Home Depot. Originally these laws were due to pressure from Christian religious/faith beliefs that 'Sunday is a day of rest'. Today the rule in Bergen County continues in part due to Christian belief pressure, but also to give people in the area a break from the very heavy traffic from the retail shopping. These laws also restrict most office or industrial work on Sundays as well.
Until the mid-1970's, all of New Jersey had restrictions on sales of goods except food, some hardware goods (for emergency home/business repairs), car parts. Even if a store sold t-shirts and food, they had to remove or close off that part of the store on Sundays. Until about 1977, one could not sell any retail alcoholic beverages for off site consumption on Sundays. Some towns still have the option to not sell alcohol on Sundays, or not allow the sale of hard liquor on Sundays. Many areas of the New England States, some scattered southern states, still restrict Sunday openings or sales of most consumer products and alcoholic beverages. Despite the secularization of Europe, most places except for some tourist areas, still have strong laws or customs not to allow retail sales similar to our blue laws.


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 2):
Personally I hate them and find them a major pain in the ass. The day SC gets rid of them, the better off they'll be

If the Christian Exodus people pull off what they are talking about you had better get used to them.

Here in Milwaukee we have a law that no alcohol can be sold after 9. This is not due to any blue laws, or public morality concerns but rather this is a law that was pushed through by the Tavern League. So if you want a drink after 9 you have to go to a bar. It's really a pain in the ass because every time you have a party you have to stop everything at 8:30 and calculate how much booze you have and if you will have enough for the rest of the night.



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 1):
Keeping the stores closed means that employers do not have to pay staff to run the store when it's likely to be lightly patronized.

Rubbish. Have you ever noticed that opening a store 9 - 5 means that no one who actually works a "typical" schedule will ever be there? I shop on Saturday and Sunday. The stores are packed here on Sundays.


User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
Despite the secularization of Europe, most places except for some tourist areas, still have strong laws or customs not to allow retail sales similar to our blue laws.

True - up until 1994 in England and Wales, major stores weren't allowed to open on a Sunday (although some did). Our Sunday trading laws now are such that shops are allowed to open for six hours on a Sunday, between the hours of 10am and 6pm, although shops below a certain size are exempt from this. Shops that are usually open 24 hours (large supermarkets etc.) open early on Monday morning and are open continuously throughout the week, but will then close at around 10pm on Saturday. They then re-open at 10 or 11am on Sunday for their six hour stint. There are still laws that prohibit the sale of alcohol outside of certain hours, although I'm not sure of the details.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

St Louis had a no-alcohol sales restriction on Sundays when I moved down here in '88. A restaurant/bar could serve booze and sell 2% beer for carryout. That's since been repealed, but there is a cutoff time on Sunday night I think, 11pm maybe...I can't remember the last time I tried to buy beer on Sunday night so I may be off on that.

But most blue laws were religiously motivated...trying to keep that Sabbath holy or something discriminating like that.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7757 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):
Michigan still has vestiges of blue laws.

We can not purchase alcohol on Sundays until noon.

Isn't there a law in California that you can't buy alcohol after 3 AM?

I remember that I once arrived at SFO with the night flight from ATL, I was really looking forward to a few nice cans of Coors but I got dissapointed in the liquor store when the guy told me that he can't sell me alcohol after 3 AM.

Patrick


User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Sounds like Sunday mornings all through the upper midwest. Though most places are slowly becoming more progressive and allowing stores to be open on Sundays, or even Sunday mornings.

In my hometown of about 5000 people, the only grocersy store is closed all day on Sunday, but the government run liquor store is open. So I can't go but a 5 lb bag of potatoes for a family dinner, but I can have Jack Daniels, Jose Cuervo, and Jim Beam over for the day.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7786 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 11):
In my hometown of about 5000 people, the only grocersy store is closed all day on Sunday, but the government run liquor store is open. So I can't go but a 5 lb bag of potatoes for a family dinner, but I can have Jack Daniels, Jose Cuervo, and Jim Beam over for the day.

Sounds like a town with its priorities straight....  sarcastic 



While Sundays are generally busy days for retail, before noon (at least IMHO) business is normally pretty slow. Come 1-3 pm it is very busy and drops off pretty quickly till close.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

Dtw; I can remember when bars in Michigan had to cover up liquor on the shelves (not beer) with sheets ALL DAY Sunday indicating "no sales". Same on election day. Peanuts, popcorn (any salty snack) served gratus by the establishment to customers was also forbidden at any time.

In our county in TN, liquor stores are closed all day Sunday, but beer sales is OK. Ironically, bars without liquor licenses allow you to bring in your own bottle. The bar will sell you the ice or mix for a drink, but you must pour the drink yourself (the bartender is not allowed to touch the bottle and you must keep your bottle on the floor on your side of the bar). State's liquor control commissions regulations vary widely, too. In MI, all liquor sales, by the bottle, are governed at a set price by the commission, whereas here in TN I just purchased a fifth of scotch "on sale" for a few dollars off at the local store. Michigan also prohibits any illuminated or animated sign on or in premises advertising any alcoholic beverages. You gotta go out-state to see those neat illuminated, slowly spinning dioramas featuring the Budweiser Clydsdales!

Kinda goofy, but it goes back to state's rights or individual township/county rights. IIRC, one cannot buy any alcohol including beer in the Detroit area township of Oak Park. It is a totally dry city with no bars or restaraunts serving alcohol. Again, kinda goofy but again, individual communities' rights. Regards...Jack



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
I was really looking forward to a few nice cans of Coors

 spit {spit

And this from a man living in the Beer Capital of the Planet!!!

Patrick, maybe you should come to ANC and I'll give you beer lessons like I did KROC . .  rotfl 



. . .

As to the thread topic - it's all religious crap. These Blue Laws are much more prevelent in the south (and in Texas for whatever reason) than anywhere else. When I visit my Mother in Alabama, I find myself having to remember to hit the liquor store on Saturday. . . furthermore - I have to drive to a different county to do it. Yes, there are still "dry" counties in many places. We have many dry towns and villages in Alaska . . . but fortunately ANC is not in the Stone Ages in this light and one can eat, drink and be (or do) Mary 24/7 in Anchorage. Liquor stores are open 7 days a week, beginning at 11am and closing around 2am.


User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

I too live in Bergen County, NJ and I LOVE the 'blue laws'. No one who lives around here can possibly deny the nightmare that is traffic on a typical Saturday (think Rt. 17 & Rt. 4). The fact that (almost) everything's closed on Sundays gives us a weekly break from that horror.

HEF


User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

Another bizarro NJ quirk: We're not allowed to pump our own gas! When I moved to JAX for school, I had no idea what I was doing! Is that common in other states?

HEF


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

As dtwclipper said, in Michigan you cannot purchase liquor before noon on sunday. My father used to work for a major drugstore chain in Michigan and they had big long heavy chains that theyd run through the handles of the walkup coolers.. chain em shut with a padlock.

Michigan does, however, now offer carry-out liquor sales. If you order a bottle of wine with dinner at a restaurant and dont finish it, it can be resealed and you can take it home in a doggy bag.



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User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

In Oz we can have 24 hour tading, if we want.

User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 11):
In my hometown of about 5000 people, the only grocersy store is closed all day on Sunday, but the government run liquor store is open. So I can't go but a 5 lb bag of potatoes for a family dinner, but I can have Jack Daniels, Jose Cuervo, and Jim Beam over for the day.

Sounds like my kind of small town!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 1):
It's not wierd per se, nor motivated by religion.

It's both weird and largely motivated by the religious 'family values' crowd.

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 1):
Keeping the stores closed means that employers do not have to pay staff to run the store when it's likely to be lightly patronized.

When I shop on Sunday I see far more customers than when I go in the middle of a weekday.

Quoting HotelEchoFox (Reply 16):
Another bizarro NJ quirk: We're not allowed to pump our own gas! Is that common in other states?

Nope, it's not common at all. I was asleep in a rental car once while a friend of mine was driving around and around. Eventually I woke up and asked where the hell he was going. He explained that he had been looking all over for a 'self service' gas pump. I busted out laughing and explained that his search wouldn't end until he left he state. NJ also has among the lowest fuel taxes in the nation IIRC.

Here in SAT, hard liquor is only sold in liquor stores (sometimes part of a larger parent building, like a Costco, but always a separate entry point) that all close by 9pm and all day on Sundays. You can buy beer and whine in a grocery store any day of the week, but carry-out liquor sales end around 11pm and last call in bars is 2AM.



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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

Quoting HotelEchoFox (Reply 16):
Another bizarro NJ quirk: We're not allowed to pump our own gas! When I moved to JAX for school, I had no idea what I was doing! Is that common in other states?

Oregon does it too. This goes back to the 60's and 70's when self-serve stations began popping up, laws were passed in several states that prevented people from pumping their own gas. The idea was to save the jobs of all those gas station attendants. Most states have done away with those laws...most states.



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

No sales on Sunday? That is just crazy! WTF? In Oregon and Washingon, most big-box stores and the malls usualy open about 10AM and close at 6PM just because there really is not much buisness after 6PM. Everyone is getting ready to start the work week. There are some stores, like Target and Fred Meyer that are open until 10PM or 11PM 7 days a week. Also, in Oregon and Washington, the state runs the liquor stores, so they do not sell hard alcohol on Sundays, but you can go to a bar and have mixed drinks or purchase beer and wine in a store until 2.30AM in Oregon and 2AM in Washington 7 days a week.

In Oregon, we do not have self-serve gas. Before Gov. Gregoire signed the gas tax increase in Washington, it was cheaper to drive across the river and pump it ourselves. Now, it is about the same price. We don't really have a problem with people not knowing how to pump their own gas. The joke in Oregon is everyone in Oregon moved here from somewhere else!

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
And this from a man living in the Beer Capital of the Planet!!!

I think that Coors is a pretty good beer, I prefer it over Bud and Miller when I am in the States.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Patrick, maybe you should come to ANC and I'll give you beer lessons like I did KROC .

So you made Mike drunken? Big grin

I would really like to visit Alaska, maybe I can catch on of those special 99 EUR fares on Condor some day. Of course I will let you know when I will be there!

As for Bitburger, a damned good Pils, I really like to drink it.

Patrick


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

I've never fully understood the logic of the no Sunday retail sales of alcohol here in Georgia. In a way, the state is advocating drinking and driving.

25 Post contains images Cptkrell : Don't know about current Sunday sales in Georgia, but when I was in AIT at Fort Gordon (1968), there were drive-in bars in Atlanta. That's right; the
26 Post contains links Bhmbaglock : Actually many counties allow Sunday sales - Use http://www.abcboard.state.al.us/Documents/WetDryCountyMap.pdf to plan side trips next time you visit
27 Garnetpalmetto : That JUST went away last November, but the Legislature hasn't set up regulations regarding free-pour yet so we're still using minibottles. Basically
28 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ha Ha . . .Gramps died about 15 years ago, but he did make some excellent hooch out there in Fayette County . Mom lives on the county line between Fa
29 Post contains images ORFflyer : Ironically, Lynchburg Tennessee is one of them. It's also home of the Jack Daniels distillery. Figure that out. Chip
30 Bhmbaglock : Good thing she's close to the county line or you'd have to move her! Next time you visit, give me a shout and we'll grab a driink or two. I'm usually
31 Mdsh00 : It's 2AM. But that is every night. The reason it is there is to attempt to curb drunk driving and so forth. I don't know of any Blue Laws in Californ
32 BigOrange : Neither does New Jersey
33 BCAInfoSys : Good news for all of you Washington-based alcoholics like me! The State of Washington is running a test with the top-20 liquor stores starting in Sept
34 FLAIRPORT : where I work we are open 7am-12am 7 days a week and believe me, from working opening and closing shifts, we sell alchohol from 7am-12am!
35 LH423 : Wow, and I thought New England was bad. For the most part all blue laws have been stricken in New England, however I know you still cannot buy alcohol
36 PHLBOS : IIRC, the blue laws (except liquor sales) in Masschusetts ended during the mid '80s. In the North Shore, people just drove up the the New Hampshire S
37 Melpax : Where I work in Melbourne (Box Hill) was originally a 'dry area' from the late 1800s until recently - so it's one of the few areas in MEL with no pub!
38 FDXmech : I love NJ no self service gas law. It's terrific. Why change it? What's to gain? I like blue laws also. Though my county in NJ (Monmouth) no longer h
39 Aa777flyer : The Blue Laws are stupid. It is all those damn Bible Thumpers trying to tell people how to live their lives. Screw the Bible! If you dont want to go o
40 MAH4546 : What stupid laws. AFAIK, stores in South Florida don't have any of these restrictions. In fact, for many stores, Sunday just means regular closing hou
41 Lt-AWACS : Oklahoma- No tattoos (only state now), only 3.2% beer, no "hard core" porn as the call it, No liquor sales other than 3.2 beer at the supermarket, liq
42 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Yea, tattoos – bad for families.
43 FLAIRPORT : That's correct. Over at my Winn Dixie we are open 7am-12am (most close at 11pm though)...I opened at 7am and had a beer sale at around 8am. I close o
44 Asuflyer05 : I work in Bergen county and I certainly appreciate the Blue Laws because it gives me a day off during the week where no one from work bothers me! Matt
45 LH423 : One vestige of blue laws in MA is that only three stores in a chain can carry alcohol. For instance, out of our major supermarket chains (Stop and Sho
46 ArmitageShanks : Where I live in Tennessee, you can't buy liquor past 10 on any night and you can't buy any alcohol until from Midnight (not sure of the exact time) un
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