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How To Deal With Gangs And Other Undesirables  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I've been saying this all along. I would even like to take this mans ideas a step further. Rather than simply make them attend these pointless rallies and vigils and funerals, simply execute them in full public view, a-la Old West Style.

Why not? It would work. The current system sure as hell isn't. This technique could also be used on terrorists and past last-chance violent criminals as well.

As the article states, enough kidding ourselves. Holding hands and saying "We shall overcome" just doesn't work. It's time to bring real shame and real punishment back into our judicial system. If you think I'm advocating Medieval justice in the 21st century, then I guess what we need is Medieval justice in the 21st century. The usual stuff just isn't working. And remember....if these people have been "desensitized to concepts of right and wrong", then just answer me one question:

Why do they feel the need to run from police and hide after comitting their [heinous] acts?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...tory?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

I'm in favor of more use of the

1. death penalty
2.agressive tactics by the LAPD
3.As creative punishment make them stand on the street wearing a sign of their crime ( as some criminals do today.), but make them stand in a rival gangs neighborhood.

I personally belive it all comes down to the police. The LAPD to me has been much TOO SOFT on gangs and needs to become very aggressive.......



short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

I like that article,were these "parties"or gangs are called terrorists.

It would never fly,civil rights activists,would cry foul.
But a declare "Municipal Article Of War"Have cameras
posted,have law(military)enforcement people on bikes
or foot,24hrs, and if caught, have them in civilian boot camp
repaying back to society.



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

You know what? The ACLU, the NAACP, and whoever else might cry "foul" can go screw themselves.

We can't have it both ways. Now if somebody is going to go down, who do you think it should be? An innocent kid or someone just minding their own business? Or a welfare thug who robs liquor stores, has fathered three dozen children with three dozen women, can't read, has never had a job, and only knows how to steal?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39660 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

You guys crack me up! Big grin

Have any of you been through South Central L.A.?
Final approach to LAX does not count.
LAPD already has an anti-gang policy on the books.
The police officers figured out it's a lot easier to pull over old people with broken tail lights and missing front license plates. It's a lot easier to harass the grandparents of gang members and those young people who are trying to better themselves in these communities instead of cracking down on gangs.
Why should the LAPD care when many of them live very comfortable lives out in Simi Valley? They get there salaries, benefits and vacation time regardless.
I've only received a J-walking ticket once in my life and guess where it was?
South Central Los Angeles!
It was in the same block in which a homicide took place just 3 hours before I got my ticket. That’s not supposed to happen in extremely violent communities.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39660 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 3):
Or a welfare thug who robs liquor stores, has fathered three dozen children with three dozen women, can't read, has never had a job, and only knows how to steal?

Actually he doesn't get welfare. Only his baby's mother can qualify for that.  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-09 22:50:23]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

I stand corrected.

User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 3):
You know what? The ACLU, the NAACP, and whoever else might cry "foul" can go screw themselves.

Your right!People are dying.If I were the mayor of an effected city.
My question to them:
ACLU or NAACP,what is your solution from people dying from
the hands of these local terrorists?
That's why an "Offical Local Article Of War" makes sense as to the next move.



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
simply execute them in full public view

Matt D, how many executions have you attended?

Alberchico, how many executions have you gone to?

I’ve gone to more than a fair share. No, I didn’t go inside and witness the execution. I was outside (not protesting, with the media). It’s not pleasant. There is nothing satisfactory knowing someone walks in to a building to be killed and carried out in a body bag.

And the party killing him; the government.

Death penalty advocates abhor public killings and/or televising executions. Witnessing an execution doesn’t make one want to see more.

Since y’all are big fans of the government killing people – come on down to Huntsville, Texas. There is a killing scheduled tomorrow night (10 August). Normally they take place at 6:00 PM.

And before anyone goes jumping all over me; hey, I’m the first to say some simply need to be removed from the gene pool. It’s just the current system is so despicable and racist. Also, it costs taxpayers 2-3 times more to kill someone compared to life in prison.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39660 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

I hear what you are saying about cracking down on gangs.
The problem is that too many people with good intentions never learned how to shoot a pistol.
Running to Church and crying with your Reverend is useless and nothing more than showbiz on a microscopic level.

There is no excuss for hard-working, honest people to live behind bars in there own house. I have family in some of the toughest parts of Chicago and none of them have been victums of gang violence. My granparents, uncles, aunts all have guns and know how to use them yet none of them where in gangs.
Besides, there all old now but shot off many Klansmen when necessary back in there days down in Mississippi.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Shoot them in the foot. Most bones in the body. When the feet do not work, neither does the rest of the body.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Heh seeing as you guys mentioned LAX I wanted to mention something. If your travels bring you South of LAX never get off the Freeway. Even then you are still not safe. But even in the Middle Schools with bused in students you see a very large gang presence believe it or not.

User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 11):
But even in the Middle Schools with bused in students you see a very large gang presence believe it or not.

Yes there is.My business is down the street from a school,and it's sad
to see the students talk about the party(gang) and boast the violence.
The profanity.(I been told to F/O,more then once).The poor ghetto fashion choice.It breaks your heart.These folks don't care about their future. And
maybe,the parents don't care,as well.
Add-on:So,congrats! To the ACLU.Go to a public school and learn.

[Edited 2005-08-09 23:58:17]


Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Matt, you ask a question that I'd love to know the answer to.

Gangs are like terrorists...and I don't think the answer to either one is to just round them up and shoot them publicly. Rather, we need to eliminate the factors which allow them to breed and propser. Well at least that's my opinion. Unfortunately I don't know how to do that.

In the meantime, it makes living in Los Angeles for one quite precarious. I lived at USC (on 27th between Hoover and Figueroa) from August 2001 until last friday...its not true south central, but we had to deal with incidents on the odd occasion. Nothing ever happened to me and as I was moving out last week, I thought to myself that I was really lucky to get out of there without ever having had a confrontation with a nasty situation.

One thing is certain, at least in my mind. As far as LA is concerned, the aforementioned gangs and other undesirables are one of the most negative aspects of living in what is otherwise one of the most beautiful places in the world.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

I think the solution all comes down to four thingswhich all go hand in hand: Education, individual/personal responsibility, family, and upholding and enforcing the laws.

The solution DOES NOT lay in "more funding, more taxes, more money" or Affirmative Action/quotas.

You can fill the CEO position of every Fortune 500 Company on the planet with a so-called gang-banger, and throw an entire decades GDP worth of money at the problem. It will STILL not go away unless you start with the fundamentals, which are education, individual/personal responsibility, family, and upholding and enforcing the laws.

[Edited 2005-08-10 00:08:44]

User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
simply execute them in full public view



Quoting Alberchico (Reply 1):
I'm in favor of more use of the

1. death penalty
2.agressive tactics by the LAPD

And you think that's the way out? 2% of the US population are currently in jail, that's one of the highest percentages in the world. The USA is also one of the few democratic countries that still have death penalty. Nevertheless - US gun violence and overall crime rate is one of the highest around.

Those are people with nothing to lose. They can't think of tomorrow because they are hardly making it today. That's the reason for crime, and no higher law enforcement can change that. It's the price you pay for living in a society like in the US where the winner takes it all and rifles are on sale at every Wal-Mart.

just my 0.02$

Lukas


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39660 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Keep in mind, south central Los Angeles was not always a bad area. It was middle and lower middle class but never violent. That all changed in the 1980s.

There were plenty of manufacturing jobs in the neighboring industrial areas of Maywood, Cudahy, Bell, South Gate, Commerce, etc.
With the loss of jobs, neglected/under funded schools, important parts of there ancestors history and important contribution to our society completely left out of there education, it's a total recipe for disaster.
Then of course the drugs that come in to the community from overseas makes matters even worse with all of the crime associated with the black market.

Quoting BREmer (Reply 15):
It's the price you pay for living in a society like in the US where the winner takes it all and rifles are on sale at every Wal-Mart.

I agree with what you are saying but these thugs don't go to Wal-Mart to buy there guns. They get them illegally at warehouses and garages. Only hunters and law abiding people buy there guns from Wal-Mart.
I wish the law abiding people of South Central Los Angeles would go out and get a gun permit, buy guns and learn how to use them.
As long as they don't have any criminal convictions, they have a Constitutional RIGHT to bear arms to protect themselves from these outlaws that are being a nuisance.
Non-violence may sound good when your teaching 4th graders to behave but when it comes to dealing with gang violence, sometimes you just have to bust-a-cap-in-there-ass!   

[Edited 2005-08-10 01:13:13]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Why not? It would work. The current system sure as hell isn't.

Which system are you talking about? The judicial system? Or the system that gives them little job opportunities and desire to do good?

Instead you want to be no better than the backwards funtamentalist who execute people for looking at a woman wrong in public.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
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So why don't we just kill everyone we don't like?  sarcastic 


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