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US Owes Canada $5 Billion And Refuses To Pay!  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3824 times:
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Proud to be an american!

Washington says it has no plans to obey a NAFTA ruling that compels the United States to refund an estimated $5-billion in illegally collected duties to Canadian lumber producers -- setting up a potential trade war that experts say could threaten the future of the North American trading bloc.

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...63bb07-df95-4f39-8118-514e41b91fdf

So I guess NAFTA is a good idea until they rule against the US, and then we just thumb our noses?

Pathetic, no wonder the world hates us.

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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

If they take back Celine Dion, we'll pay them.

Until then, the standoff continues.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Does Canada have Nukes?

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

There has to be a legal loophole under which the USTR is adopting this stance.

Usually a treaty like NAFTA supersedes all other laws, having been incorporated into Federal law.


User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does Canada have Nukes?

They have Mounties and their comin to whip yo ass Big grin



Phoning it in from a place with no phones.
User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Jaysit, I agree with you if the US add a clause stating she has to stay in canada for ever.
Teva



Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 1):
If they take back Celine Dion, we'll pay them.

We will take back Celine Dion if we can leave Bryan Adams.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 5):
Jaysit, I agree with you if the US add a clause stating she has to stay in canada for ever.

But not the Yukon Terrotory - too close to Alaska and our border defences are NOT what they ought to be . .  biggrin 


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Proud to be an american!
...
So I guess NAFTA is a good idea until they rule against the US, and then we just thumb our noses?

For the first time I'm going to agree with you Royal  Wink

The same policy is in place in regards to WTO. Canadian steel - US ignores WTO verdict but obviously runs to WTO to complain on Airbus. What a hypocrisy!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Another brand of arrogance from this administration. It trumps NAFTA, CAFTA, but when there's a ruling against it, it ignores it. This administration is adding another chapter in it's continuing quest to ruin our reputation and our good name. It's an embarrassment.

User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does Canada have Nukes?

Don't give GW any ideas.



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does Canada have Nukes?

A little thing like the facts never stopped Bush in invading Iraq, did it?


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 6):
We will take back Celine Dion if we can leave Bryan Adams.

Regrettably, I believe you've already given him to us. Don't know quite what we did to deserve that, mind...



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39694 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

This is why I never supported NAFTA in the first place. I knew our companies would not compromise and if it would never benefit the buying public; case in point, affordable medicine from Canada.

BTW, Molsons needs to send us there Hemp Ale beer.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Regrettably, I believe you've already given him to us. Don't know quite what we did to deserve that, mind...

Maybe we should post Geri Halliwell over to Canada - that should restore the balance somewhat Big grin



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
Maybe we should post Geri Halliwell over to Canada - that should restore the balance somewhat

Need a bloody large postbox.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
Need a bloody large postbox.

Unlike Posh Spice who's more than thin enough to fit through one  Wink
(I would have suggested her - but we've already sent her to Spain in retaliation against them pinching all our fish)



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does Canada have Nukes?

No, but we supplied the materials needed to make yours Big grin

LOL

1011yyz



Pack your bags, we're going on a sympathy trip!
User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2717 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Just another proof that the American Government CANNOT be trusted.

NAFTA is a SIGNED CONTRACT between nations. You ask why nobody has any respect for Americans. Well look no further than a country who word and signature on a contract is worthless!!!

And then of course there is the American BULLY-BOY response of "What are you going to do about it"

Well, the WTO will allow conterveiling duties to be placed on American goods until the full 5 Billion dollars is paid, PLUS Interest. So monitarily, the money will eventually be recovered. What will NEVER recover is the knowledge that America is morally BANKRUPT and HYPOCRACY is the name of the game.

Sad..... truly sad.

So I say this to all Americans. Instead of asking "Why doesn't anybody like us?", simply look in the mirror and you'll know why.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3664 times:
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Yes it is the average americans fault that our government won't honor its obligations.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2717 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
Yes it is the average americans fault that our government won't honor its obligations

Well 51% of your citizens (who bothered to vote) voted for the present government. And whether you actually voted for the party that is now in power, do you not hold your government accountable for it's actions?

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
Thank you for your contribution to this thread

You're Welcome!!


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

A very Simple solution since we are the number one provider of oil to the US just simply put a $10 service charge on each barrel exported and the problem should be taken care of in about 6 months. The only problem is that if we actually did this we would be invaded.


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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1281 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Photopilot, chill out. Not a single American who has responded to this thread has defended the government on this issue.

By the way, Canada's voter turnout is only very slightly higher than the United States'.

Clickhappy, I'm glad some (who am I kidding, most) Americans are reasonable enough to respect an agreement that was made.

A346Dude



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineLutenist From Canada, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

First of all, please do not send Celine Dion and Brian Adams back. In the name of justice, if you must expel them, send them to a country that practices torture.

Second, haven't the duties collected on softwood already been paid out to the American businesses protected under such duties? If so, would the companies be expected to refund these amounts? If not, hasn't the US federal government's just wasted a lot more of taxpayers' money?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
Maybe we should post Geri Halliwell over to Canada

Hmmmmm... when I think about it, I'd gladly grant that piece of eye candy asylum at my place. She'd just have to promise that for each time she sings in the shower, I get to hand her the soap. And use it at the same time she does.  mischievous 

[Edited 2005-08-11 20:00:06]


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25 Post contains images Theredbaron : You guys are discovering "hot water"...these guys (the U.S.) have done the same to Mexico regarding the Tuna embargo and then the Truck and shipping c
26 MrChips : If you really pissed us off that much, given our manufacturing sector, we could have a couple dozen in a matter of weeks. BTW, so could any just abou
27 WellHung : Perhaps Canada can retain Matt D, who is currently serving as a crusader for restaurants that are owed less than $5.
28 Post contains images Slider : LOL!! I guess that contract doesn't have any provisions about dumping cheap lumber into the US and destroying the American logging market does it? Pa
29 Clickhappy : So now its Canada's fault? Canada appealed to both the WTO and NAFTA who found in favor of the Canadians. But that isn't the answer the U.S. Departmen
30 Post contains images Jutes85 : So because we sell it at a lower price then you do, its somehow our fault? Give me a break.
31 LOT767-300ER : Frankly I dont care much about the BS Canadian lumber market. This lumber business didnt just come up this year, this has been an ongoing issue. Im si
32 Post contains images SQuared : Dumping? That would suggest Canadian producers are selling lumber below cost or below the domestic price, which they aren't. This issue has been brou
33 LOT767-300ER : This is true, after the 1996 Softwood agreement, house prices rose in the USA by $1500 because of the duties.
34 Post contains images Bongo : That's what I call a good deal
35 Clickhappy : Who blamed GWB? Don't be so damn hypersensitive. And how exactly am I anti-USA? Because I think the war in Iraq is a piece of shit? So what!
36 Post contains images Danny : Unbelievable, I agree with you for the second time in one day
37 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Hyper- Sensitive? LMFAO. I dont care about the Iraq war much either, but the overwhelming majority of the things you post are somehow negative about
38 Photopilot : Boy Lot767, have you got this wrong. I'm NOT attacking NAFTA, but rather supporting it to the fullest. Canada has followed all the terms of the NAFTA
39 Post contains images SKYSERVICE_330 : To hell with that You can keep her. If by nukes you mean aerosol cans in a microwave... then yes we do
40 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I specifically did not mention names and now what do I get? Wonderful
41 Post contains images EA CO AS : How about we give you back Celine Dion and Bryan Adams in exchange for NOT sending you Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, and while we're at it, could
42 KLMA330 : Thank you for that!! God forbid we upset Big Brother to the South! Of course they can't afford to pay the 5 Billion, what with a deficit at 333 Billi
43 Jacobin777 : throw in cheez pam anderson too. its nice to know other are seeing this govt. for what it is...a big hypocrite!
44 SkySurfer : 'What's good for the goose definately ISN'T good for the gander in this case'........if it doesn't suit the US then they don't wanna know and they don
45 Post contains images TheCoz : You'd probably have to turn a couple of them hockey stick factories into a nuke plant, huh.
46 Post contains links YYZAeroEng : http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...50810.wsofty0810/BNStory/Business/ that might answers some question on the debate. I'm disappointed in the deci
47 Jutes85 : Yes, Canada has no intention to produce or purchase nuclear or biological weapons, we have enough south of the border.
48 Post contains links Canuckpaxguy : I'm obviously biased towards Canada, some I'll try to stay out of this one, but I thought this comment was just too funny: That is the most ignorant,
49 Post contains images Theredbaron : I never said Canada or Mexico would win the war....for crazy statements there is Chavez Mentioning Celine and Mr. Amazing bass player in the same sen
50 Yyz717 : While I am often accused of being an overly pro-American Canadian, I'm totally against the US stand on this issue. A fair NAFTA tribunal has found the
51 AGC525 : What's Canada going to do, beat us up? How about we'll give you your 5 bills, and you can protect yourself with your boys scout military. And how abou
52 Yyz717 : Nice response. That fact is that there is little Canada can do. This is all about the US commitment to international treaties and tribunals. A sign o
53 Post contains images Mir : And when Yyz717 is criticizing the US, you know that they've done something that's seriously not kosher. -Mir
54 Tbar220 : I thought the first comment was ignorant, but the second one tops everything I've seen so far....
55 L-188 : Well 5 billion Canadian is what? 2.34 US? However my understanding was that the WTO was authorized to allow sanctions against a country it rules again
56 Clickhappy : who does Canada need to protect themselves from?
57 YYZAeroEng : People like AGC525, who share Ann Coulter's ideas on being neighbours. Where would that get us? Most likely another tribunal, that would tie up money
58 Post contains images Slider : LOL! I love the emotive response. Ya'll are spooled up over nothing. Let me clarify my position--I'm a free trade guy, generally anti-NAFTA in practi
59 StarAC17 : Try about 4.1 billion and it's been that way for quite a while.
60 Clickhappy : Slider - You miss the point. Maybe Canada is dumping who knows (who cares!) but both the WTO and NAFTA ruled against the US, so the US tells both to F
61 AC777LR : Are you for real? GROW UP, and get the hell out of this thread if you are going to be an ass.
62 KLMA330 : I second that! What the hell is that, and what do you think world politics are, a pissing contest at the corner of the playground?? Geez...
63 Slider : Good- and while we're at it, maybe Canada can be forced to protect the environment and stand by it's own regulations: * The Canadian Fisheries Act *
64 Post contains images EA CO AS : And I'm a HUGE Rush fan, too! LOL But you can't ignore the...eerie...similarities... [Edited 2005-08-12 21:00:51]
65 Post contains images EA CO AS : And while I'm at it...two other people you never see in the same room...
66 GREATANSETT : I think that you will find that the U.S gives billions in aid yet are selective only giving to countries that hold strategic positions (Lebanon) or th
67 Airlinelover : First of all, please do not send Celine Dion and Brian Adams back. In the name of justice, if you must expel them, send them to a country that practic
68 FDXMECH : We ran a 66+ billion dollar trade deficit with Canada in 2004. I think it's reasonable you eat the 5 billion. Call it a preferred customer perk. Than
69 Post contains images Halls120 : Year ago I used to patrol the US-Canadian boundary line during salmon season. Always a contentious time, because those damn salmon have the arrogance
70 L-188 : Yeah, most people are not aware of the 1996 salmon war. The problem wasn't the fish, it was the fact that BC doesn't do accurate counts of sport caug
71 Slider : LOL! Certainly, tongue in cheek, but the point stands that US' environmental laws, particularly with spawning fish, protecting wildlife and trees are
72 Sidewinder : 5 billion....thats lots of beersss aye?
73 Post contains links and images Fumanchewd : I wouldn't condone unfair trading practices, but this is the way of the world. Every country has tariffs in order to protect their economies. Europe t
74 Arrow : This is blatantly false, and has been proved false time and time again over the last 20 years. Environmental regulations in this country are stronger
75 L-188 : Not on the BC coast where invasive atlantic salmon are raised in pens, serving as sea lice respositories, seals are deafaned by the salmon farmers tr
76 Post contains images GQfluffy : Me and the GF sat next to a couple from Alberta a couple of nights ago at the local Wendy's (I know, how romantic ). The only thing they said about C
77 Post contains images Confuscius : "This is all about the US commitment to...treaties" Tell that to the Native Americans.
78 Arrow : More BS. DFO studies have shown no connection between farmed salmon with sea lice and wild salmon with sea lice. In fact there's substantial evidence
79 DFORCE1 : Excellent point, China is just waiting in the wings to scoop up our resources and I highly doubt the US would want Canada to get closer to the Chines
80 Yyz717 : If Canada's PM had a good relationship with Bush, this could be resolved. Unfortunately Canada is governed by a hard left socialist party that trumpet
81 Arrow : Not even the NDP is a hard left socialist party. Maybe by US standards, but nowhere else in the world. The Liberals waffle back and forth between lef
82 StarAC17 : While I'm not discounting that we are very dependent on the US for trade if we were to sell China our oil and Natural gas instead of the US, which we
83 FDXmech : Please don't pick up your toys and leave, pwetty pwease. We'll do anything to keep you our bestest friend.
84 DFORCE1 : China is the next big super power. As Bush continues to send the US into a tail spin and grow the debt, the US will eventually lose its super power st
85 FDXMECH : Well then I suggest you send your national resume to China to apply for "New pal", status. Under the "Why" column. Put either, "On the rebound with A
86 FDXMECH : So you want to get in on the ground floor of kissing their backside. Good strategy.
87 Slider : LMAO!! Cue sarcasm: Yeah, let's have Canada align itself with a massive country that has little in the way of natural resources an offer nothing othe
88 L-188 : The US didn't bomb Laos, they bombed NVA extentions of the Ho-Chi Min trail in Laos. If the NVA hand not violated the border, those moves wouldn't ha
89 FDXMECH : What does this have to do with the 5 billion? Are you frothing again? I think you've just thrown away what slight trace of objectivity you had (or in
90 AC777LR : How did this thread go from soft wood lumber to bombing of another country that has nothing to do with lumber? Stay on track for god sake.
91 DFORCE1 : The true issue here is not softwood lumber, nor is it bombing of other countries - it is the arrogance of the United States in being ignorant of all
92 Fumanchewd : Yeeeaaahhhhh!!!! Good job! I name this the pointless rant of the month!!!
93 Post contains links Fumanchewd : That establish what laws that America is required to abide? We are a sovereign nation. You bash America for bombings over 30 years ago yet applaud ch
94 DFORCE1 : No, no, I'm not taking sides here. I'm not saying the US is better than China nor that China is better than the US. I am merely stating that the US s
95 SKYSERVICE_330 : I wonder how long the north eastern states in the USA would have to sit in darkness this winter until the US government gets serious on paying back th
96 AC777LR : Canada also exports a lot of OIL as well if I am not mistaken correct?
97 Photopilot : You really need to look at your history here. When NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) negotiations, it was the United States that INSISTED t
98 Halls120 : Every time I read one of these "I'm going to take my ball and go home" statements, I really have to laugh. I guess you don't have a clue as to how in
99 FDXmech : You seem to be working overtime in figuring out how to make Canada irrelevant in the world. Stop acting like a little man with a chip on his shoulder
100 Arrow : Actually, we should aim the kick a little higher than the shin, and the bruised toe would be well worth the effort. But in fact, Canada has retaliato
101 L-188 : This country and the oil companies sure aren't acting like they need it...this this has been in the burner for what? a decade and half so far. As far
102 Halls120 : Another Canadian with an economic death wish, I see. How sad.
103 Arrow : Probably 20 years. But U.S. gas demand is still growing, and Canadian supply can't keep up with it. That pipeline is a central part of Bush's energy
104 L-188 : But yet there are proposals for LNG terminals in Mexico, the gulf coast, RI and Maine among others. So somebody thinks there will be a market that wi
105 Arrow : And they are right. But that gas is going to come from Australia, Indonesia, Russia, the Carribbean -- all places where the gas will be produced at l
106 MD11Engineer : Maybe Canada should also looking more towards the EU. Canadian products (except for maple sirup and salmon) are relatively rare over here. Jan
107 Post contains links DFORCE1 : Martin to call Bush on softwood conflict Canadian Press Tuesday, August 23, 2005 VANCOUVER (CP) -- Prime Minister Paul Martin will be talking to Presi
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