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Is My New Car On An Old Platform  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3758 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Last November after thanksgiving I bought a new 2005 Honda Accord LX. I was taking to a friend of mine about my car and he said that it has the same phatform as the 1993 model just it has a different body design, he said it even has the same four cylider engine from the 1993. I can not go to cars.com to look it up seen they change the format, so I am asking anybody who knows Handas am I driving a new car with a old platform.

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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Could well be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Ford created the Sierra chassis and enormous expense (GBP600 million I recall) and knew that it would last for a good while - in fact the Mondea had the same chassis.

Tried & tested, that's a good thing!

BF



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

No, you are not.

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

>> I was taking to a friend of mine about my car and he said that it has the same phatform as the 1993 model just it has a different body design, he said it even has the same four cylider engine from the 1993.

You're friend is incorrect. Compare the stats from the 2005 Honda Accord to the 1993 Honda Accord:

(Figure) ( '05) ( '93)

Standard engine (2.4L 160 hp I4) (2.2L 125 hp I4)
Transmissions (5-auto, 5-manual, 6-manual) (4-auto, 5-manual)

Economy (26/34 mpg) (24/31)

Curb weight (3,113 lb) (2,895 lb)
Wheelbase (107.90 in) (107.10 in)
Length (189.50 in) (185.20 in)
Width (71.50 in) (67.10 in)

Steering (R&P) (R&P)
Front Suspension (Ind) (Ind)
Rear Suspension (Ind) (Ind)
ABS (Standard) (Not Available)

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As you can see, the entire powertrain and wheelbase are different from the 1993 to 2005 models. In addition to using a larger engine block in the '05 model, the technology working inside the engine is also much different. You can sure as hell bet the VTEC and engine computer are primitive in comparison to the '05 model. This is reflected in the fact that the '05 engine is larger, more powerful, and still deliveries better economy than the '93 engine.

Little else, other than name plates, have been carried over from the 1993 model.

>> You didn't say Platform.

It's a typo. Is it that hard to figure out?  Wink

[Edited 2005-08-11 20:26:04]

User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

All of the automakers do it. It saves them a bundle of money


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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 1):
Could well be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Ford created the Sierra chassis and enormous expense (GBP600 million I recall) and knew that it would last for a good while - in fact the Mondea had the same chassis.

I think that the Mondeo was actually an all new design, bear in mind the Sierra was rear wheel drive, and the Mondeo front wheel drive.

Rgds.


User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Correct, however the basic Mondeo platform has not changed in about 10 years. It is also the platform for the Jaguar X type


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8):
You're friend is incorrect. Compare the stats from the 2005 Honda Accord to the 1993 Honda Accord:

(Figure) ( '05) ( '93)

Standard engine (2.4L 160 hp I4) (2.2L 125 hp I4)
Transmissions (5-auto, 5-manual, 6-manual) (4-auto, 5-manual)

Economy (26/34 mpg) (24/31)

Curb weight (3,113 lb) (2,895 lb)
Wheelbase (107.90 in) (107.10 in)
Length (189.50 in) (185.20 in)
Width (71.50 in) (67.10 in)

Steering (R&P) (R&P)
Front Suspension (Ind) (Ind)
Rear Suspension (Ind) (Ind)
ABS (Standard) (Not Available)

While I may not know whether or not a 2005 Accord shares the same platform as a 1993 Accord; I do know that platforms can be stretched or shortened as needed.

A classic example of this was Ford's Fox platform that debuted on the 1978 Ford Fairmont/Mercury Zephyr (wb. 105.5"). A year later, a shortened version of the same platform (wb. 100.1") debuted as the 1979 Ford Mustang/Mercury Capri. For the 1980 model year, the Fox platform was slightly stretched (wb. 108.1") to create the 'downsized' Ford Thunderbird/Mercury Cougar XR-7.

FYI, the Mustang (even after its '94 changeover) still used the Fox platform up through 2004. The mid-size T-Bird/Cougar utilized the Fox platform through '97 despite making a couple of size changes (downsized wb. to 104" slightly in '83, upsized in '89 to wb. of 113.9").

To make a long story short, just because two models may slightly differ in size and offer different engines doesn't necessarily mean that they're not cut from the same mold or platform.



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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 10):
I think that the Mondeo was actually an all new design, bear in mind the Sierra was rear wheel drive, and the Mondeo front wheel drive.

Hmmm, maybe you're right - but I'm sure that the Sierra shared it's chassis with some other car. Or maybe they just used the same light bulbs, if so sue 'em, they said it was all new!

Did you know that the McLaren F1 has the same lights as a Bova coach? Now that's a fact that I'm reasonably sure is mostly true. If any a.netters own both a Bova coach and a McLaren F1, post the pics!

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 4):
All of the automakers do it. It saves them a bundle of money

Bingo. Holden is currently developing a new platform for its Commodore, its called the "Zeta" architecture and is going to be used by alot of other GM brands around the world. This platform will have about a 8 - 10 year life span at Holden before a new one is released.


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4686 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 4):
All of the automakers do it. It saves them a bundle of money

Yea, sure, my Titan is on a Titan platform and my '06 330i is on a E90 platform.... go figure.....



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Honda completely redesigns the Accord about every five years, similiar to what Toyota does with the Camry (almost).

I believe it was first redone in 1993, then freshened for 96-97. The 1998 platform was all-new, and the 2003 platform was completely redone as well. The four-cylinder engine hasn't changed all that much, however, while the V6 was all-new in 98 and refined for 03.

Toyota did almost the same thing with the Camry. First redone in 1992, freshened for 95-96, but kept the same basic platform for 97-01. In 2002 it was completely redesigned.

This is notably unlike American manufacturers. But I think Toyota, with the Camry platform, and Nissan, with the VQ-series engines have played an amazing role in using platforms and engines across lines. At one point, the same Camry platform underpinned the Camry, ES300, Highlander, Sienna, RX300, Solara, and Avalon. Nissan similiarly has used the VQ (originally 30, now 35) spreading from the Maxima and I30 to practically every V6-powered Nissan and Infiniti.

So no, your platform is only about 3 years old.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
This is reflected in the fact that the '05 engine is larger, more powerful

0.2 Liters and 35 horsepower more? Hah, hardly  Smile

Give me 400 bucks and my engine can do that with about 2 hrs work Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 4):
All of the automakers do it. It saves them a bundle of money

American automakers do it like crazy. European automakers still do it, but not as much (though European cars usually have a longer lifespan, so the platforms get just as much use). Japanesse automakers, however, rarely carry over platforms into a redesign.

[Edited 2005-08-15 08:19:10]


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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Hey DeltaGuy, why did GM put Honda engines in the Saturn Vue V6? Did they not have a good enough V6 of their own? Just wondering, hope you can answer. In the mean time, put your 400 bucks to good use.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Hello moderators!

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I am asking anybody who knows Handas am I driving a new car with a old platform

I made a reply pointing out the spelling of the word

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Handas

in the thread starter.

The thread title originally had Platform spelled "Phatform." When the spelling was corrected the moderators removed all the replies that addressed that. My post had nothing to do with Phatforms but you deleted it anyway so I am re-posting.

Now you can delete my post for thread-bumping.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Platform is a very loose term and has more to do with factory tooling than anything else. All it means is the manufacturer can introduce economies of scale and cut down on certain fixed costs.

The Polo platform (for instance) has saved VW Group a ton of money globally, as production facilities can share common parts and dimensions.

My beast is on a Focus C-Max platform, although it is hugely different right down to the suspension. So just where the definition of platform starts and finishes is wide open.


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