747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4017 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
Last November after thanksgiving I bought a new 2005 Honda Accord LX. I was taking to a friend of mine about my car and he said that it has the same phatform as the 1993 model just it has a different body design, he said it even has the same four cylider engine from the 1993. I can not go to cars.com to look it up seen they change the format, so I am asking anybody who knows Handas am I driving a new car with a old platform.
BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
Could well be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Ford created the Sierra chassis and enormous expense (GBP600 million I recall) and knew that it would last for a good while - in fact the Mondea had the same chassis.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1067 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
>> I was taking to a friend of mine about my car and he said that it has the same phatform as the 1993 model just it has a different body design, he said it even has the same four cylider engine from the 1993.
You're friend is incorrect. Compare the stats from the 2005 Honda Accord to the 1993 Honda Accord:
(Figure) ( '05) ( '93)
Standard engine (2.4L 160 hp I4) (2.2L 125 hp I4)
Transmissions (5-auto, 5-manual, 6-manual) (4-auto, 5-manual)
As you can see, the entire powertrain and wheelbase are different from the 1993 to 2005 models. In addition to using a larger engine block in the '05 model, the technology working inside the engine is also much different. You can sure as hell bet the VTEC and engine computer are primitive in comparison to the '05 model. This is reflected in the fact that the '05 engine is larger, more powerful, and still deliveries better economy than the '93 engine.
Little else, other than name plates, have been carried over from the 1993 model.
Jamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 1): Could well be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Ford created the Sierra chassis and enormous expense (GBP600 million I recall) and knew that it would last for a good while - in fact the Mondea had the same chassis.
I think that the Mondeo was actually an all new design, bear in mind the Sierra was rear wheel drive, and the Mondeo front wheel drive.
While I may not know whether or not a 2005 Accord shares the same platform as a 1993 Accord; I do know that platforms can be stretched or shortened as needed.
A classic example of this was Ford's Fox platform that debuted on the 1978 Ford Fairmont/Mercury Zephyr (wb. 105.5"). A year later, a shortened version of the same platform (wb. 100.1") debuted as the 1979 Ford Mustang/Mercury Capri. For the 1980 model year, the Fox platform was slightly stretched (wb. 108.1") to create the 'downsized' Ford Thunderbird/Mercury Cougar XR-7.
FYI, the Mustang (even after its '94 changeover) still used the Fox platform up through 2004. The mid-size T-Bird/Cougar utilized the Fox platform through '97 despite making a couple of size changes (downsized wb. to 104" slightly in '83, upsized in '89 to wb. of 113.9").
To make a long story short, just because two models may slightly differ in size and offer different engines doesn't necessarily mean that they're not cut from the same mold or platform.
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Bingo. Holden is currently developing a new platform for its Commodore, its called the "Zeta" architecture and is going to be used by alot of other GM brands around the world. This platform will have about a 8 - 10 year life span at Holden before a new one is released.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8515 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Honda completely redesigns the Accord about every five years, similiar to what Toyota does with the Camry (almost).
I believe it was first redone in 1993, then freshened for 96-97. The 1998 platform was all-new, and the 2003 platform was completely redone as well. The four-cylinder engine hasn't changed all that much, however, while the V6 was all-new in 98 and refined for 03.
Toyota did almost the same thing with the Camry. First redone in 1992, freshened for 95-96, but kept the same basic platform for 97-01. In 2002 it was completely redesigned.
This is notably unlike American manufacturers. But I think Toyota, with the Camry platform, and Nissan, with the VQ-series engines have played an amazing role in using platforms and engines across lines. At one point, the same Camry platform underpinned the Camry, ES300, Highlander, Sienna, RX300, Solara, and Avalon. Nissan similiarly has used the VQ (originally 30, now 35) spreading from the Maxima and I30 to practically every V6-powered Nissan and Infiniti.
American automakers do it like crazy. European automakers still do it, but not as much (though European cars usually have a longer lifespan, so the platforms get just as much use). Japanesse automakers, however, rarely carry over platforms into a redesign.
The thread title originally had Platform spelled "Phatform." When the spelling was corrected the moderators removed all the replies that addressed that. My post had nothing to do with Phatforms but you deleted it anyway so I am re-posting.
Now you can delete my post for thread-bumping.
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