LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1132 times:
Earlier this Thursday, at lunch time in a busy Sbarro in the center of Jerusalem, a young Palestinian from the Islamic Jihad went into the Sbarro, and blew himself up taking his own life, as well as 20 others and injuring over one hundred.
A few hours after the bombing, a mother who took her four kids to Sbarro for lunch, and who, luckily, survived the blast was reunited with two of her kids courtesy of "Israeli Channel 2" They sat up a video link between the two hospitals that they were taken to. They talked and it was a moment that would live forever as the mother cried seeing her young son in a cast. All 5 family members survived.
In another story, another mother of four, who's husband is the Fire Chief of Jerusalem, was talking to her husband this morning over the phone, saying to him, "I want to take the kids out, It's summer and they have nothing to do." The husband replied, "No, don't go, there's a warning of another attack" She didn't listen and went to the Sbarro anyways. All of them survived.
What is next? A possible Sharon strike even though that Arafat condemed the attack, just like the attack on the Dolphinarium, the beach club in Tel Aviv. He called a sieze fire, just like after the Dolphinarium attack.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1024 times:
It's pretty obvious where all this is headed, isn't it? (Civil) war and, the most worrying of all, a possible genocide against the Palestinians comitted by an increasingly right-wing Israeli government. But that's still quite a while in the future. For now, it will follow the path of slow escalation due to both sides being unnecessarily stubborn - and, let's face it, much of the recent escalation can be blamed on a more-violent-than-necessary, and more-extremist-than-acceptable Israeli government.
I hope with all my heart that this will not continue to its catastrophic climax, and that peace may be found eventually. But my mind tells me it's unlikely.
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1013 times:
Well done brave Islamic Jihad. Well done. Your courageous noble act against dangerous lunchtime mothers and children will be condoned and celebrated by Allah. He is proud of you for instilling terror and fear into mothers and children. Well done, you have made Islam proud and strengthened the stereotypes that Muslim fighters effectively and respectively fight with their minds and their pens.
Allah will be proud. Those dead infants should have known better than to have lived in Israel. They got what they deserved.
RealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1016 times:
TWAneedsnohelp, you are a sick rodent! How dare you classify all Muslims as terrorist?!
First of all, you people don't even belong in our part of the world in the first place!
Israel is the most evil government in the world. You people are sick! Your people have killed more innocent Palestinians than Palestinians killing Israelis. We are only defending our land just as Native Americans put up a fight to defend their land. We aren't going to let our people be wiped out as the Native Americans were nearly wiped out.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
You both Muslims and Jews asses need to be kicked. I can't believe that you actually condone the killing of innocent men, women and children. Both Politicians Arafat and Sharome need to be hanged along with All members of Hezbalah and other terrorist groups. Haven't both of you learned from the night club bombing in which innocent teens were killed. They were only having a party but noo You Damn suicide bombers going to Allah needed a sadistic fun by killing innocent people. I pray to god that muslims who are with suicide bombers will burn forever in hell while the people that you bruttally bombed will rest in piece. How dare does anyone on this forum condone such an atrocious act!!!!
What did these people do to anyone!!!! All they we're doing was eating pizza for crying out loud. They weren't bothering anyone!!! What about the beautiful children that were killed outside the nighclub? They were innocent civilians not soldiers or government officials. You bastard radical Jewish Politicals, Soldiers along with the Hezbalah and other terrorist groups along with Arafat and his staff can go to hell. Thanks to your squabbling and constant breakdowns and dragging of your feet . More innocent lives have been lost and lives have been permananantly shattered yet again!!!!
TWAneedsnohelp and Realhigh you shgould be ashamed!!! How would you like it if someone killed your families in such a horrible way!!! Shame on you and both of you should apoligize for your acts. I think enough hatred has been spewed along with the lives lost due to this undyable disease called bigotry!
I pray that both sides will get along but the people must see through the politicians and the terror groups. Once they've been put out of commission only then will there be peace.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 992 times:
Perhaps this will wake up the United States to do something. The following is directly from cnn.com:
"The dead [from the pizzeria blast] included Shoshana Greenbaum, 31, a pregnant schoolteacher who lived in New Jersey and was in Israel to get a master's degree in Jewish education."
The loss of American lives in no way should be tolerated. If this happened on American soil, a terrorist attack like this, the American government would tolerate it in any way. America has a no toleration policy with terrorists, and Israel chooses to do the same, not tolerating any terrorist act against it, no matter what the situation. The killing of innocent children in such a brutal act would not be tolerated by any nation in the world.
As for all of you above who don't discuss the problem, shut the f*** up. You all don't know crap about the situation, and are just using this to slander eachother and to raise hell. Become a little more educated on what's going on and stop acting like a bunch of crazed morons. It makes me sick to see you argue like that.
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 992 times:
Sick rodent ehh? Sick enough to bomb innocent teenagers at a party? uhh probably not. How about sick enough to bomb a popular family restaurant and murder (with nails and pins) innocent mothers, tourists, and infants. Is that the sick rodent you classify me as? Yeah I thought so.
Moreover, it appears you completely don't understand the situation at all. Israel and the PA for 10 years now have been attempting to make peace and find a final status for these Arab people in the west bank and gaza. However, Arafat wanted leverage to quicken the pace of the negotiations. Apparently, talks and meetings weren't enough, but riots and unrest were more suitable. Along comes Intifada 2001.
>>>>First of all, you people don't even belong in our part of the world in the first place!
Jews don't belong in "[your] part of the world"? May I remind you oh worldly one, that we've been there just as long as you and our holiest site in the world is the Western Wall in Omaha, Nebraska. Oops, I mean Jerusalem (aka "[your] part of the world").
>>>>>>>>Israel is the most evil government in the world.
Because it defends its people from terror. Sure.
>>>>>>You people are sick!
Because we bomb family restaurants and teenage discos.
>>>>>>>Your people have killed more innocent Palestinians than Palestinians killing Israelis.
Plainly wrong, unless your idea of an "innocent Palestinian" is a Hamas supporter bombing school buses, women driving home from supermarkets, cafes, and discos. The only thing these people are innocent of is.....humanity.
>>>>>>>We are only defending our land just as Native Americans put up a fight to defend their land.
In a noble and brave way. Allah (swt) is proud.
>>>>>>>We aren't going to let our people be wiped out as the Native Americans were nearly wiped out.
Nope, you guys are real leaders in the field of co-existance. Remember 1949. Israel on its second day of existance is invaded by 6 countries.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38587 posts, RR: 80 Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 986 times:
I agree with you about 99%. I hate to see this sort of violence. I can understand RealHigh's point because I know her personally. Her father was gunned down by Israelis when she was 13. I can understand her rage. That TWAneedsNOhelp brat is a very militant anti-Arab sadistic wacko. I've got into it with him awhile ago here in the forums.
As much as I hate violence and murder, I can understand why 'some' Palestinians will resort to this level. Palestinians are treated less than human on what was once there soil. Now Israel occupies that land and the Palestinians are fighting for it. When you’re fighting for your own land, you fight till death. Unfortunately there will be many innocent lives lots in the conflict.
What makes it even worse is that our tax dollars is funding this genocide of Palestinians. The US Middle East policy is the most evil and repugnant policy in the world. Our hard-earned tax dollars is funding this on going conflict. Israel doesn't even want peace. Sharon is happy to see his own people slaughtered by Palestinians because it gets all of the Israeli hard liners rallying up behind him. That justifies his reason for being in power. Plus those images are aired here in the US by the Zionist controlled media to get support from Americans. Look at the stupidity displayed by B757300 with the mushroom cloud. I am pretty sure the only information he and most Americans get information about the Middle East is through CNN, NBC and the other major US networks controlled by Zionist.
Israel has rejected every opportunity of peace. Just ask Jimmy Carter and George Bush Sr.
There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East with an occupied Israeli presence.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38587 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 984 times:
You are acting like the biggest ASS on this web-site! If I were Johan, your ass would have been deleted a long time ago.
TWAneedshelp & Tbar220:
You two have been brainwashed from an early age to hate Palestinians. I echo the sentiment of my friend RealHigh. Israel is the real 'evil empire'!
Israel represents the 'Great Satan'. Israel will soon be doomed and peace will finally flourish in the Middle East.
Israel has nuclear weapons from the United States and other advance weapons. I have every right to gripe about that Satanic Empire named Israel because I paid for it!
I want my money back!
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 981 times:
I think your comments towards me were misdirected. Look at what I put on the message, and look at it carefully. I was not saying anything brainwashed. Look at what has happened as a single incident...because now it is pointless to try to look at it as part of the whole, which has become totally twisted.
What I was saying, is that this terrorist attack should be looked at carefully because an American citizen was killed. And yes, I do believe it is a terrorist attack because it was against civilians. And to me, that constitutes a terrorist attack, especially when young people are killed.
As a single incident, which once again I think you have to look at it that way, it shouldn't happen. I hate violence just as much as anybody here does. No Palestinian and no Israeli should die for these causes, which can be worked out peacefully. I never made any sort of "brainwashed" comments that were like "Arab's should die!" or "Israel is the Great Satan" (sound familiar?) and stuff that we see in the posts above mine.
I think that hateful comments like that are very poor judgement.
That is the reason why I was so upset, because this post basically turned into a hate filled slanderous attack from both sides. People need to ease up.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 977 times:
"You have been brainwashed from an early age to hate Palestinians."
I do not hate Palestinians. I hate terrorists which kill infants and children and teens. I hate the violence which is going on there, because nobody's life is secure in that area. I don't hate you for saying that about me, but I certainly didn't take that comment well.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38587 posts, RR: 80 Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 973 times:
That's fine and I can accept that.
I must ask, how do you feel about all of the killing done by Israelis towards Palestinians?
That goes unnoticed here in the US.
We are brainwashed to believe that Arabs are 'towel headed terrorist with lots of oil. That is far from the truth. I am glad I don't strictly rely on the Zionist media for my sole source of information.
It just burns me up that my tax dollars is supporting this sort of genocide against Palestinians. Every time Israel cries wolf, our government is at Israel's beckoning call!
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 969 times:
Good, now that we got that figured out, lemme answer your last post.
What do I think about Israeli's killing palestinians? I think its a shame that it happens. There are peaceful ways to resolve the problems. Yet I see the American news not as zionist but as blatantly anti-Israeli, the worst being the L.A. times and N.Y. Times.
At the beginning of the uprising, do you know why so many palestinians were dying? When the Palestinians were in their "rock-throwing" phase, do you know why so many young palestinians were dying? Because they were put on the front lines throwing rocks...young children and teens put on front lines to throw rocks and molotov cocktails at soldiers armed with guns...doesn't that seem a little bit demented? I don't blame Israel for their deaths, as the soldiers are defending themselves (don't say that rocks and molotov cocktails are harmless). I blame the older Palestinians and parents who let their children get killed like that...because they think it is noble that they fight.
This kind of thing is brainwashing, it ends up having people use the term genocide, which is ridiculous. You want to know what genocide is? Look at what happened in Kosovo, look at what happened in Cambodia, look at what happened in Europe in WWII. This was mass, organized killing of a race in an intent of wiping them out. Your use of the term genocide is blatantly wrong, for the Israeli's are not systematically killing Palestinian civilians in an attempt to destroy the people. They are not even attacking innocent civilians. I want you to justify why you use that term.
The deaths of Palestinians are at the hands of soldiers defending Israeli citizens and Israeli land. While once again a shame that so many have to die, the Israeli's are defending themselves from rioting and terrorist groups (Jihad, Hamas, etc.).
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 968 times:
Superfly; I get my news from FOX, CBC (Canadian Broadcasting) and BBC. How is Sharon happy in killing his own citizens? Is he one of those ultra conservative harliners that'll sacrafice anything and everything to get his way? If so then I would rather have Benjerman Netenyahoo (pardon the spelling) back rather than Sharom. Atleast under Ben; The terrorist attacks weren't that bad and they were minimal. But none can ever replace Yitzak Rabin. If he was still around both he and Arafat could've done something productive to stop all this and all the innocent peopl would've have died in the disco, pizza place, etc.
25 Tbar220: Excellent point VirginA340. Yet, what bothers me about this whole situation is that it seemed that Arafat was so much more willing to solve the proble
26 Superfly: And if they aren't an Israeli citizen? Interesting you call the NY Times and LA Times owner by the Chandlers anti-Israel. I see them as being very Pro
27 Superfly: VirginA340: Sharon is an evil military hawk. He is only fueling the fire. Rabin and Barak were more interested in peace. Don't expect anything good to
28 Tbar220: Good discussion, I will continue tommorrow. I'm gonna hit the sack. Superfly, don't take offense at this, but you haven't responded to my post about g
29 Boeing in pdx: Superfly, are you a member of they aryan nations?
30 Go Canada!: Im not an arab or Palestinian supporter nor am i am pro-Israel to i die support. you mention the land issues but the land was irasels in the first pla
31 LY744: Superfly: Your argumetns are very interesting, especially because they sound just like the ones used to get Hitler to power in Germany in the 30's (th
32 Ryanb741: The way I see it, Israel has 2 choices. Either it commits to taking out Hamas once and for all (and not do the usual cowardly gunship attack on a poli
33 LY744: UN observers, eh? You mean like the ones who practically assisted the Hezbollah in kidnapping 3 Israeli soldiers a few months ago, and then hid essent
34 Cfalk: Here we go again. The Jews are the only victims in this world... Charles
35 Rajno1: I don't mean to offend anyone but why is it that throughout history the Jews have done nothing but p*ss people off. Why do they insist on being so ins
36 LY744: Cfalk - nice manipulation of my words! Good job! Rajno1 - yeah... I can see what you mean! They are so annoying! They don't deserve to live...(de ja v
37 Cfalk: LY, It's not a manipulation of words. You're just quoting the party line... How about this. Put yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian, and think how
38 Rajno1: LY744 - nice manipulation of MY words, this time to suit your own agenda. You seem very adept at 'creating a truth'. You aren't Jewish are you? Oh sor
39 Go Canada!: I think they are going to sort out hamas once and for all.Bombing civilians doesnt work and to get more international sympthay israel will go after th
40 LY744: Dear Cfalk, I happen to know both Palestinians and Jews. I do not have to put myself in their shoes to understand what is going on. You, on the other
41 LY744: Take it easy, Rajno1, getting a little emotional? To answer your question (bohters you, doesn't it?) - No, I am not. LY744.
42 LY744: It is easy for us to discuss the mid-east crisis from our safe homes in Canada, the US, Switzerland etc. Has any of you thought on what its like to li
43 Tbar220: Don't you see what is happening here on this message board? You guys cant talk peacefully and clearheaded. You are ready to bash eachother's skulls in
44 Superfly: LY744: You're making me laugh! You think were supposed to feel sorry for those trouble-making Israelis?!?! I have no sympathy for any attacks against
45 TWAneedsNOhelp: Haha, brainwashed bullshit. Serve "our" interests, "zionist controlled media". Thats cute. You think everything in this world is so easy? -Every Jew c
46 Tbar220: Superfly, Perhaps I take back my comment about enjoying my discussion with you. For one, you seem to be ignoring my comments, perhaps because you don'
47 Superfly: Tbar220: My last post was supposed to be before your but you beat me. I am juggling dozens of things here at work and really shouldn't be on the forum
48 Tbar220: No, the Palestinians should not surrender, but they should not use terrorist attacks as a means of getting their ways. The Israeli's have been more th
49 Superfly: You cannot compare the two events. The US has not colonized Afghanistan.
50 Tbar220: This is not a discussion, you keep changing the subject...sigh. Ok, duh, the U.S. did not colonize Afghanistan. But why in the world do you think the
51 Superfly: Tbar220: You're the one changing the subject by dragging in Afganistan! Stop putting words in my mouth. Point out whare I said Israel is a US colony!