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Missile Fired At U.S. Navy Ship In Jordan  
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

AMMAN, Jordan - Two missiles were fired early Friday from Jordan, one at a U.S. Navy ship docked in a Jordanian port and another at a nearby airport in neighboring Israel, officials said.

No casualties were reported in either attack.

The U.S. Navy said a mortar was fired at an American ship docked in Jordan's port of Aqaba.

Israeli police and witnesses said a Katyusha rocket fired from Jordan fell on the outskirts of the nearby airport of Israel's Red Sea resort of Eilat, but did not explode.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...9/ap_on_re_mi_ea/jordan_explosions

Source Yahoo/AP

This should be interesting to see if this was an attempted terrorist attack or not.....

-Delta767300ER

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Thread starter):
This should be interesting to see if this was an attempted terrorist attack or not.....

What do you think it was? A stray bottlerocket?!?


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

I think we can safely assume it WAS an attempted terrorist attack.

Jordan for the most part is fairly moderate, so it was probably a relatively isolated incident. Jordan certainly doesn't need a right battering in the way Iran does.



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Quote:
What do you think it was? A stray bottlerocket?!?

LOL. If so, I need a few for New Years. I'm glad that nobody was hurt.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

THe missle at the US ship (or Mortar) is one that I have a very hard time classifying as a Terrorist attack. That was strictly an attack on a millitary target. Kind of the same way I don't consider attacks on US military in Iraq to be terrorism but attacks on the people or Iraq certainly is terrorism.
just my 2 cents worth


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

ILOVEA340, Was the USS Cole bombing a terrorist attack in your opinion?

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Latest reports say that a Jordanian soldier died in the attack. Another Jordanian soldier and an Israeli civilian suffered minor injuries.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14004 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 5):
ILOVEA340, Was the USS Cole bombing a terrorist attack in your opinion?

You can argue that the USS COLE, as being military, is a valid target in a guerilla war.
You might call the attack cowardly, but the attackers knew that they would have no chance in an open fight with the sailors of the USS Cole, so they chose to attack by sneaking in with the bomb, which is IMO a valid tactic in assymetrical warfare.

IMO, terrorism begins when the attackers target the civilian population indiscriminately, e.g. 9/11 or other bombing in public places, but even there are arguments valid, which have been used to justify the carpet bombings of cities in WW2, that in a total war, the civilian population, which after all supports and supplies thwe military, is a legal target as well.
So you could either argue that the WW2 bombings on civilian targets, no matter by whom, were acts of terrorism.


Jan


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):

You have just gained my respect  Smile

I would not classify the Cole incedent as a Terrorist attack, cowardly yes, terrorism no.
It's just the way that this war is being fought.
Keep in mind that the Continental Army tactics during the U.S. revolutionary war (hiding in trees, shooting officers, not holding ranks in fields) were basically the 18th century's version of what todays roadside bombs, and various other "Cole type" incidents are.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying these types of actions, but these people who attack U.S. millitary interests are smart enough to know that the U.S. army can't be defeated on a uniformed full assault attack basis much like George Washington, and many other Colonist rebels/insurgents/soldiers (depending on how you look at it) realized that they had no chance against the British in a full rank style frontal assault.

Please Please understand that I am not comparing the underlying ideologies behind these various groups.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1473 times:
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Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility for the attack...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/jordan.blasts/index.html

(CNN) -- An al Qaeda-linked group has claimed responsibility for rocket attacks Friday that targeted but missed two U.S. military ships in the Jordanian Red Sea port of Aqaba.

The three Katyusha rockets hit a warehouse and a hospital in Aqaba, killing a Jordanian soldier, and struck the nearby Israeli port city of Eilat.

A second Jordanian soldier was severely wounded. No U.S. military personnel were injured.

"Zionists are our rightful target," according to the statement signed by al Qaeda in Levant and Egypt, the Martyr Abdallah Azzam Brigades.

The statement, posted on an Islamist Web site, promised an attack in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv.


Apparently warehouses and hospitals are your rightful target, judging by your aim...  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 3):
I'm glad that nobody was hurt.

One person did die...


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14004 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
Apparently warehouses and hospitals are your rightful target, judging by your aim... sarcastic

Other forces would call it collateral damage, which can not be avoided...  sarcastic 


Jan


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

My understanding of the whole thing was that the "missile" was one of those RPG thingies.. At most it probably would have left a burn mark on the side of the ship or broken a window or two.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
My understanding of the whole thing was that the "missile" was one of those RPG thingies.. At most it probably would have left a burn mark on the side of the ship or broken a window or two

Nope,at least one shot if not all of them where made with a rocket for the BM-21 "GRAD" rocket system. This is an unguided 122mm rocket system. The system was widely distributed by the Soviets and is very common. Copies of this system are also manufactured by China and Egypt. The normal warhead is a 21KG explosive charge, although there are anti-personel and other warheads made for the system.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/122mm-rocket_001.jpg


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/type-81-F5111U01.gif


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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

OK my bad.. It is hard to trust what comes from most news outlets anymore.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Quoting Ryanb741 (Reply 2):
it was probably a relatively isolated incident. Jordan certainly doesn't need a right battering in the way Iran does

-
A) first a technical aspect. Also in "conventional" artillery, after the first round of fire, the fire-command-post has to adjust the targetting, as the fire usually at first either is too short or too far, too much to the left or to the right. The second round of fire usually is the real thing. And that also applies to rockets.
B) it looks as if the US-ships WERE the targets (most certainly WERE) BUT in the end, the holiday-resort of Aqaba became THE target. Aqaba is a wonderful holiday resort with good hotels, excellent beaches and a calm and relatively clean sea to go swimming. So that the attack in question can be compared to the one in Sharm-el-Sheikh, except that there was only one fatality this time. Jordan therefore does NOT need whatever kind of "battering" but support and solidarity
C) Iran does NOT need any kind of battering either
D) in view of the fact that the Gulf of Aqaba is very narrow, and the long Saudi coastline practically uncontrolled (the nearest Saudi-British airbase some 150 km southeast) and dominated by fairly respectable mountains, I regard the visit of US-warships there as a rather risky and foolhardy.


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