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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Istanbul will host its first Formula 1 race today.
Currently the top three looks like this

1. Kimi
2. Fisi
3. Alonso

MS has been forced to the back due to an engine change and Sato was disqualified for holding Webber up on his qualifying lap.

Kimi to win!!!!!!

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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2826 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

The race is Kimi's to loose. He has the outright speed, but the real question this season is still this. Does the McLaren have the reliability to finish?

Should be a great race on a new track. Lots of unknowns still and that will make it interesting.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1214 times:

Hope this is an interesting race. I'll have to see if shown live on Speed Channel here in the USA tomorrow morning (US EDT). MS/Ferrari is still out of it, looks like they will only have a few flashes success this year (like the face F-1 US GP at Indy).
I heard during showing of the practice on Speed Channel today am (US EDT) that Webber vistied the site of the WWI Battle of Giliiopi (sp?) where his Grandfather had died fighting there with the Australian Army.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 1):
The race is Kimi's to loose. He has the outright speed, but the real question this season is still this. Does the McLaren have the reliability to finish?

Well thats right, I would be more concerned about the Mercedes engine then the car. Mercedes have been the cause of most of their reliability issues this year yet they don't seem willing to take the blame.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

What's this I hear about gossip about Kimi - his wife catching him naked with another woman?!? Anybody know?


But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 4):
What's this I hear about gossip about Kimi - his wife catching him naked with another woman?!? Anybody know?

Kimi seems to be getting a reputation for his wild nights out. A few months ago a club owner claimed Kimi was exposing himself in the club and when asked to cover himself up Kimi just shrugged it off with a yeah yeah and continued what he was doing.
As far as McLaren are probably concerned, as long as he is not draging their name through the dirt and keeps producing results on the track and permforms his contractual obligations (Sponsor, PR stuff etc) in a professional manner he can do as he likes.

Here is a link to the story http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95475

My poor 14 year old cousin who is in love with Kimi is extactic about the prospect of his marriage breaking up. Bizzare girl.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Who actually enjoyed the race?

Williams have hit the self-destruct button yet again with those bizarre tyre failures ... I wonder what Mark Webber is thinking now and how many times has he been behind a Jaguar ... I mean Red Bull ... this year?

McLaren is in another league at the moment ... who can beat them? Can Raikkonen take away 24 points in the next 5 races? I think Alonso needs to claim the title before they get to the final round or if it comes down to a title showdown it will be Raikkonen who walks away with it.

The season has been fantastic so far though.  bigthumbsup 



4 Engines 4 LongHaul
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Yes, the whole tire failure thing was odd. Apparently the rear wing on the Williams may have been rubbing against the tires. It seems strange that it has only cropped up now.

If both the constructor's and manufacturer's championships both come down to the last race, it will certainly make for some excitement, something which has been rather lacking in the sport in recent years...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Great great race!! I enjoyed every moment of it. I was quite suprised by the circuit, normally Tilke's circuits bore me!

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 6):
McLaren is in another league at the moment ... who can beat them? Can Raikkonen take away 24 points in the next 5 races? I think Alonso needs to claim the title before they get to the final round or if it comes down to a title showdown it will be Raikkonen who walks away with it.

I hope so! Providing Kimi can win all the races that are left, I think its pretty much his IF Alonso has one retirement or non points finish. Its not impossible.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Kimi seems to be getting a reputation for his wild nights out. A few months ago a club owner claimed Kimi was exposing himself in the club and when asked to cover himself up Kimi just shrugged it off with a yeah yeah and continued what he was doing.

Legend. F1 needs people like this, he might not have much character during the race, but outside 'work' he seems too! Look at James Hunt - he was a right playboy with women and stuff.

Mclaren might give KR a public bollocking, but I bet on the quiet, they love this press attention...

Adam


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

what a race!!! turkey will be one of the bigger circuits of the future, thats for sure....



go kimmi, go mclaren, go doornbos, go albers!!!


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 8):
Legend. F1 needs people like this, he might not have much character during the race, but outside 'work' he seems too! Look at James Hunt - he was a right playboy with women and stuff.

Mclaren might give KR a public bollocking, but I bet on the quiet, they love this press attention...

McLaren have said nothing. Like I said before, as long as hes not draging their name through the dirt then frankly their drivers can do as they like.
Its a bit like when JPM fractured his shoulder earlier this year, he claims it was a tennis incident others claim it was a motorbike incident. Ron Dennis said for all he cared he could have been jumping between London buses, as the drivers personal time is theirs to do as the please. Be that get drunk and take home women who aren't their wives or do silly stuff. Just keep the McLaren name away from whatever they're doing.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
McLaren have said nothing

No. I was thinking more of the London club incident when he was allegedly tossing off. Mclaren gave a public bollocking over that.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Ron Dennis said for all he cared he could have been jumping between London buses, as the drivers personal time is theirs to do as the please. Be that get drunk and take home women who aren't their wives or do silly stuff. Just keep the McLaren name away from whatever they're doing.

Thats the way it should be!

Adam


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

When I was watching the race, I suddenly have a feeling that I am watching the Interlagos. The first turn, the pit exit, the anti-clockwise, and the wild turn 8. But I must say, the Istanbul is great, the best of the newly built circuits.

btw guys, I love seeing those data comparison between drivers, especially when Button was chasing Alonso and the throttle/brake thingy was just too good to miss.


User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Quoting Senliture (Reply 12):
When I was watching the race, I suddenly have a feeling that I am watching the Interlagos

I had the same thoughts. Very much like the Interlagos.
Too bad Monteiro destroyed Montoya's diffuser. That was the reason why he went of the track in turn 8.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Well, there's two things we Finns are good at and love to do...
Partying and racing  Wink

Honestly, I think that Kimi has too many "opportunities" to cheat his wife that it's just a matter of time when it will, if it has not yet, happen!

Kimi made a couple of small jokes about what has happen... how much of what the papers are writing is true at the end!?


But to the race in Turkey... track seems to be awesome. Drivers like it and best, there are few nice place for overtaking opportunities - you can't say that from many of the other tracks...

It's also "funny" how Juan Pablo seems really not to help Kimi a one bit, as he has said! Was a nice (not) way to give Fernando the second place on a silver plate like that!


Now it's just to wait and see if Fernando stays out of the points in few races and McLaren to hold the rest of the season to make it all interesting at the end!  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Quoting Senliture (Reply 12):
When I was watching the race, I suddenly have a feeling that I am watching the Interlagos. The first turn, the pit exit, the anti-clockwise, and the wild turn 8.

Yeah I did too, turns 1 & 2 looks exactly like Interlago's Senna S ...

But the circuit has no "character" and the vast expanse of bare earth for much of the way round is a bit disappointing. You can't beat circuits like Imola, Monza, or even Silverstone and Melbourne for that.

The other two Tilke circuits Shanghai and Sepang seems to have a bit more character and atmosphere than this one in Istanbul ...



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 15):
But the circuit has no "character" and the vast expanse of bare earth for much of the way round is a bit disappointing. You can't beat circuits like Imola, Monza, or even Silverstone and Melbourne for that.

Don't you think thats to make the circuit look Turkish and not just another run of the mill circuit which could have been transplanted from anywhere?


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 15):
But the circuit has no "character" and the vast expanse of bare earth for much of the way round is a bit disappointing. You can't beat circuits like Imola, Monza, or even Silverstone and Melbourne for that.

The bare earth is because they hadn't had a chance to do any landscaping as they rush to finish the main pats of the circuit. They actually stated that it would look a bit messy on appearance this year a few weeks back.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16):
Don't you think thats to make the circuit look Turkish

Well the Fosters advertising certainly didn't. Surprsed they allowed alcohol advertsing in a muslim country - even a more liberal one......



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Hey everyone,

I also share the feeling of the first curves. It looked very similar to interlagos, not only the curves themselves, but also the slope, at tleast that's what it looked like on camera.

i also wanted to mention another issue: So many people here bash Ferrari because they always favoured MS, and in some races, team orders made RB let MS pass him to win the race. This has been extremely criticized.
Now, how come no one is mentioning the same about Alonso? Was it in the third lap that they didi it? How come no one is criticizing Renault fot that?

regards



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
Was it in the third lap that they didi it? How come no one is criticizing Renault fot that?

Because they did it in the third lap when Fernado was obviously faster than Fisi and not in the closing laps of a GP which result was almost certain (see where I'm going  Wink )

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
How come no one is criticizing Renault fot that?

Because they told Alonso to pass Fisi, as opposed to telling Fisi to lose a place. It's a bit of a difference...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

traffic sucks traffic sucks!!!
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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 20):
Because they told Alonso to pass Fisi, as opposed to telling Fisi to lose a place. It's a bit of a difference...

Where is the difference? It's team orders just put in a "politically correct" way. Instead of telling Fisi to slow down, they told Alonso to pass him, and I'm sure that Fisi did not give his 100% to not alow Alonso to pass him, am I correct? therefore, again, it is the same thing  Smile
regards



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 990 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 22):
Where is the difference?

If Fisi wanted to, he could have defended the position as he wasn't being told to let Alonso pass.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 988 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 23):
If Fisi wanted to, he could have defended the position as he wasn't being told to let Alonso pass.

Come on! it's the same thing! Just said in another way. Oh, and btw, I'm not saying its wrong for a team to have team orders. They put millions $$ in and it's obvious that for the team Alonso should finish each race at the top to ensure the championship, but it's just frustrating to see that when Ferrari did it, they were a$$ holes, but if renault does it, it's ok.
You really think that Fisi did not let him pass?  Wink

regards



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
25 Bill142 : Your right it is the same thing. But doing it this way dosn't violate the rules.
26 Post contains images EZEIZA : Should we expect rules to change for next season, or for the upcoming GP's? In any case, Bill, you seem to be the only one to say that it's the same
27 BA757 : I am in favor of team rules in this instance. So what if Renault had blatantly asked him to move out the way and let Alonso past? (yeah i know they d
28 Bill142 : I doubt we will see the rules change. It wasn't a blatant "Fisi move over and let Alonso pass" it was a "Your faster then Fisi overtake him". The FIA
29 EddieGunsmoke : Funny how Alonso always seems to have such luck. He have won two races when Kimi was in the lead but had to retire due to car problems, and one race t
30 Post contains images Cornish : Often that sort of thing is the luck of Champions Likewise there have been some brilliant drivers (and other sportsmen) who have had appalling luck a
31 Post contains images EddieGunsmoke : I knew that would come! Anyway, he has just as much luck as Kimi has bad luck.
32 EZEIZA : I'd like to add the influence of JPM. He is screwing up a lot allowing Alonso to finish in front of him and therefore it does not help Kimi. Yes, Fer
33 HKGKaiTak : Well Montoya has always been this kind of driver ... fast and irratic and sometimes inconsistent. Let's not forget Alonso is driving out of his skin
34 BA757 : Yes it is, and its acceptable in these circumstances - it wasn't like making RB in 1st move over and let MS get into 1st... it was for Alonso to get
35 Post contains images EZEIZA : At the end, 2nd If I am reading you properly, that's just because when Ferrari did it, they were 2 steps ahead of the rest, so it was either of the d
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