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Who Is The Best Leader Of Modern Times  
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Well, there is a negative thread on the topic, so I thought I would start a positive one. "Modern Times" here is defined as The 20th/21st century. Here is my list, with one addition from the one I put on the other.

List of best leaders of modern (20th century) times
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Bill Clinton
Mohammad Mossadeq
Ehud Barak
Jimmy Carter
Rafik Hariri


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

In no particular order . . . .

Ronald Reagan

Franklin Roosevelt

Mohandus Ghandi

Nelson Mandela

Margaret Thatcher


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

Ghandi
Mother Theresa (Im not even catholic)
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Well, there is a negative thread on the topic, so I thought I would start a positive one. "Modern Times" here is defined as The 20th/21st century. Here is my list, with one addition from the one I put on the other.

List of best leaders of modern (20th century) times
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Bill Clinton
Mohammad Mossadeq
Ehud Barak
Jimmy Carter
Rafik Hariri

Jimmy Carter?!?!? Where's my barf bag? While Mr. Carter has distinguished himself with his many contributions as an ex-President, he was ridden out of town on a rail in 1980. And I even voted for the guy in 1976.

Carter was the very antithesis of a leader. Instead of being a visionary, he was a micromanager. Instead of a positive motivating force, he was a depressing negativist. He was so weak that in 1980, he was challenged for reelection within his own party. What were the sucessess of his short administration? Other than high inflation, a miserable economy, and standing by helplessly as American diplomats were held hostage by an illegal group of thugs?

Perhaps he was a popular leader from your side of the Atlantic, but over here he was such an embarrassment that the Democratic Party avoided him for years - as if he had leprosy.

And while I agree that Bill Clinton was an effective leader, the absence or Ronald Reagan illustrates that your choices were ideologically tainted. Even if you didn't like the man or his politics, he was a very successful leader.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Franklin Roosevelt was one of the worst of the 20th Century.

Personally, I admire Congressman Ron Paul, R-Texas.


User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Nelson Mandela was a great man and historian, great for leading a nation during a struggle and an idealist but I dont think the best president ever, he showed all the african presidents that u build a better legacy of ur self if u step down, after 1 term and he drafted the maximum tiem a person can be president in south africa for is 2 terms.

Its hard to say with him cause he was a good man and leader and appointed some people who were absolute wankers. yet I think his options were very very limited, so if youy include that then we was phenominal, yet know one really knows.

I would have to say Thabo Mbeki, how he delicately balances all the forces to keep them happy is unbelievable and he occassionally lets his iron fist show up, like now with his hard line approach. He doesnt piss off the tri-party alliance too much but does enough to keep them in check. Dont piss him off.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

-Ronald Reagan - what a motivator
-JFK - had the cahones to make policy from what he thought from his own self
-Winston Churchill - perhaps eccentric, but inspirational during WWII
-Douglas MacArthur - out of the top 3 - Mac, George Marshall and Eisenhower, Mac was the best. Ike was a great general, but was a bit too mellow as a President. Marshall drew up battle plans in war that sometimes were unrealistic (a la D-Day concerning the Airborne troops), but MacArthur whipped the Japanese at their own game, repelled the N. Korean/Chinese invasion of S. Korea, and might have crushed China had he been allowed.

-R


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Rafik Hariri

Looks like I should go to school again. Who's that?


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8021 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 7):
Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Rafik Hariri

Looks like I should go to school again. Who's that?

I am not sure but I think he was a President of Lebanon (I can be completely wrong though).

Patrick


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 8):
I am not sure but I think he was a President of Lebanon (I can be completely wrong though).

You are completely right:

http://www.hariri.info/


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 9):
You are completely right:

http://www.hariri.info/

Thanks for the link! Now I remember, he got killed not too long ago, thus I remember his name from the TV news and newspapers.

Patrick


User currently offlineTrijetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8002 times:
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In no particular order

Harry S. Truman
Ronald Reagan
Winston Churchill
Gerald Ford
John Kennedy



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User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8003 times:
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Nelson Mandela is the best leader not only of modern times, but of all time. He is the top of this list. Gandhi is also right up there. As is Mossadegh.

Other great leaders, in my book, include the Dalai Lama, Eleanor Roosevelt (the first female US President!), Martin Luther King Jr.

Of the more polarising leaders I would include

* Gough Whitlam - for his 'social' reforms - the Liberals hate him, even though they all like the policies he introduced such as 'free' university education, medicare, etc.
* Paul Keating - just for his ability to piss off the British press -- the Lizard of Oz indeed!
* David Lange - for the foresight of making NZ a nuclear free zone


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

Churchill
FDR
JFK
Truman
Reagan
Clinton

The one person who I don't see on anyone's list that really should be there is Mikhail Gorbachev. The collapse of the Soviet Union had the potential to be really ugly. Although the demise of the USSR was inevitable, I think we’re all lucky we didn’t see a massive civil war or worse. I think Gorbachev’s leadership was critical to keeping a potentially disastrous situation under control. He was a communist, and I don’t like that much, but I’m grateful he was running that show when the wheels finally came off.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
MacArthur whipped the Japanese at their own game, repelled the N. Korean/Chinese invasion of S. Korea, and might have crushed China had he been allowed

Thank god this madman was sacked soon enough not to be allowed his idea of dropping 30 nukes on China to materialize.

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 12):
Other great leaders, in my book, include the Dalai Lama

Dalai Lama, THE enemy of Chinese communists in Soyuzophile's book? Right next to your other heroes like Brezhnev, Lenin or Mao I suppose? What a disgrace.

[Edited 2005-08-23 00:29:43]

User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Personal bests list (no particular order)
-IKE
-FDR
-Churchill
-KOHL
-Mandela
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User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Reply 5):
Franklin Roosevelt was one of the worst of the 20th Century.

Personally, I admire Congressman Ron Paul, R-Texas.

What did Roosevelt do that was so awful?

My List (in no particular order):

Harry S Truman
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Winston Churchill
Charles De Gaulle
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Adlai Stevenson (not a leader, but he helped save the world from Nuclear War, so I feel he deserves mention)
General Dwight Eisenhower


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

Ghandi
Dalai Lama
Pope John Paulus II



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User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3090 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Reply 11):
Gerald Ford

Ford knew tha his administration was dead if didn't
part Nixon.A very hard choice to make.I give him that.


Mine:
JFK-For keeping cool during the Cuban missile crises.(See the movie
"Thirteen Days." Great film).

Reagan-not only the "great communicator" but bluff the Soviets with SDI.

Pope John Paul II-reaching and bridging people

Winston Churchill- For his awesome leadership,under fire in WW2.
The Lusitania is a another matter.

Chester Nimitz- Pacific WW2,restored the fleet at Pearl,put back
confidence in his service personal,and with FDR's
main attention in the Atlantic,managed
to turn the Pacific war against Japan at Midway.

Martin Lurther King-
Read my signature.A man making changes using peaceful

means to do it.

[Edited 2005-08-23 03:03:00]

[Edited 2005-08-23 03:05:06]


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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 12):
* Gough Whitlam - for his 'social' reforms - the Liberals hate him, even though they all like the policies he introduced such as 'free' university education, medicare, etc.
* Paul Keating - just for his ability to piss off the British press -- the Lizard of Oz indeed!

I....think I'm in love, Soyuzavia.

Although I would have to include Sir Les Patterson in that list.

QFF


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 12):
Eleanor Roosevelt (the first female US President!)

I wasn't aware Eleanor Roosevelt was a president.

AAndrew

Edit: Why did you even mention her? It's pretty clear that you don't know very much about her.

[Edited 2005-08-23 03:24:16]

User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

Chavez.






















Just Kidding Big grin

Mike



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
MacArthur whipped the Japanese at their own game, repelled the N. Korean/Chinese invasion of S. Korea, and might have crushed China had he been allowed

Thank god this madman was sacked soon enough not to be allowed his idea of dropping 30 nukes on China to materialize.

He probably wouldn not have needed such. He most likely would have been able to juke the Chinese out of their pants, much like a chessmaster over his student.

-R


User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7863 times:
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Quoting Psa53 (Reply 18):
Reagan-not only the "great communicator" but bluff the Soviets with SDI.

You know, this is something that Reagan lovers always proclaim, but it is actually a load of rubbish. If the Soviets were taken in by the Star Wars program, several things would have happened.

1) Soviet military expenditure would have gone thru the roof. It didn't! It stayed about the same, and the sectors of the military that expenditure would have increased, a decrease in expenditure was experienced.
2) Gorbachev would not have dismissed the SDI as a theoretical threat - even as a theoretical threat he dismissed it Big grin
Gorbachev told Reagan that it was a useless program, but if he wanted to spend money on it, he could. Gorbachev was not taken in.
2) Glasnost and perestroika would never have happened!

Reagan has as much influence on the breakup of the USSR, as I do in controlling the world economy. In other words, zero.

The only gullible ones are the people who actually believe the Soviets were fooled by talk of the SDI.


User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 12):
David Lange - for the foresight of making NZ a nuclear free zone

While this may be considered a positive by some the 20%+ interest rates were certainly not.



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25 Falcon84 : Franklin Deleano Roosevelt. The list stops there, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe throw in Churchill. As for Reagan, he's given far too much credit for
26 Post contains images Newark777 : Eleanor Roosevelt (the first female US President!) Can't ... stop ... laughing! BTW If you haven't heard already, Kareem Abdul Jabar was also the firs
27 Post contains images N1120A : You really need to pay at least a scad of attention He was a horrible president. I don't care how effective a politician he was, it was his administr
28 Soyuzavia : Of course she wasn't the president, and my including Eleanor was more tongue in cheek, because FDR got most of the black vote not because of his own p
29 UALPHLCS : Pope John Paul II Ronald Reagan Lek Walensa George Patton Rudy Guliani Margaret Thatcher Vince Lombardi Ghandi Donovan McNabb[Edited 2005-08-23 06:35:
30 Post contains images PanAm330 : Bill Clinton, without a doubt. Rudolph Giuliani (come on Rudy, run for Pres!) FDR Ronald Reagan John F. Kennedy I don't follow international politics
31 Post contains images QANTASFOREVER : What a pragmatic leader she was - tirelessly working for the good of the common man. Her intellect was far reaching and her grasp of modern issues un
32 VirginFlyer : If it were not for the reforms instituted by the Lange government, NZ would still be an economic backwater. There were certinaly problems at the time
33 Bhmbaglock : Sorry, a good man in his time but also one of the very worst presidents ever! His recent actions have me questioning his very sanity. FWIW, here's th
34 Ryanb741 : Margaret Thatcher - gave the troublesome unions what for and took no crap from anybody. Ronald Reagan - Legend Mao Tse Tung - heroic march through Chi
35 Post contains images BA : GBan and Sabena332, Rafic Hariri was a former Lebanese Prime Minister. He was credited for rebuilding Beirut after the civil war, almost single handed
36 Post contains images OYRJA : George W. Bush The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and ha
37 Post contains images FlyAUA : Not because I am a patriot (cus I'm not), but because I truly believe he's done a good job so far: Same goes for Thomas Klestil, god bless him
38 ME AVN FAN : List of best leaders of modern (20th century) times Franklin Roosevelt Harry Truman Mohammad Mossadeq Clement Attlee Charles deGaulle Pandit Jawaharla
39 ME AVN FAN : Jimmy Carter first of was the man of CampDavid. He was the only US-president in half a century who was even handed and fair in MidEastern politics. H
40 N229NW : Wow, I must differ with you, as your list is populated with some real stinkers: MAO?!?! A demagogue whose own people came near the bottom of his agen
41 Post contains images Mrniji : The question was about the BEST leaders ??? Indian imperialism in Kashmir - did the ISI (Inter State Intelligence or so, the Pakistani secret service
42 Post contains images AR1300 : King Abdullah, I think. ...and venezuelans in a fearsome pro-socialist tirany without ANY liberties. Sure, add Hitler and Stalin to that list too. Th
43 Mrniji : Mike, though I agree with most of your objections: that;s why I gave reasons.. there is hardly an all-perfect statesman, it depends on the question/pe
44 ME AVN FAN : King Abdullah I was assassinated in 1948 in Jerusalem, and King Abdullah II is the present leader of Jordan. The first indeed WAS a great statesman,
45 Post contains images L410Turbolet : No because the outcome of the WW2 thanks to his foreign policies was a disaster. Heroic? OK, so he did this trek across China. BFD. How 'about his ot
46 Mrniji : Hence my amendment to the list, limiting this to thas issue
47 BA380 : John Major History's Greatest War and Peacetine Leader.
48 Post contains images FlyAUA : Yes as AR1300 said, King Abdullah. He too was a great leader
49 Banco : Not a political leader, but a leader of men. Not that modern either, but I suppose 20th century more or less counts. Just to throw into the mix: Ernes
50 Halls120 : I'll grant you that his Camp David accords were a success. But that's an awful short list of achievements, and his shortcomings were more than just I
51 FOMEA : No Doubt, Rafik Bahaa Edine Hariri (November 1, 1944 - February 14, 2005). Rest in peace. Regards F-OMEA
52 Post contains images MD11Engineer : How can you include the corrupt @sshole Kohl? This is the same what happened to Kohl. The GDR collapsed internally on it's own and Kohl, being a hist
53 ME AVN FAN : In this, I did NOT refer, but primarily to the Palestine problem
54 ME AVN FAN : "shortcomings" lead to FDR, a president which for the USA -- internally -- was a great leader, but for Europe was the one who handed over Eastern Eur
55 PA110 : Mao ?!?! You must be on drugs! Mao was a megalomaniac who believed that VIOLENT revolution is required constantly to prevent a society from complacen
56 Post contains images N1120A : Was there another Briton named John Major? The one I am thinking of was rather ineffectual and really only succeeded at a disasterous last-minute pri
57 Post contains images DL021 : Even though this is now becoming slightly repetitive, my list for best leaders of modern times (which I will count as since 1967, since that's when I
58 Post contains images BA380 : well-spotted. I thought I would be picked up on this one sooner.
59 Pelican : Of course my point of view is limited: Churchill Adenauer Nelson Mandela Dalai Lama Ghandi Reagan ... pelican
60 Halls120 : Understand, but one would have expected that his even-handedness would have gotting him some support among other middle east nations in dealing with
61 KiwiNanday : I'd like to apologise to Ibhayi, I quoted him saying this, and I realise what I did wrong. I highlighted the text, and clicked the 'Quote selected tex
62 Post contains images HAWK21M : regds MEL
63 VC10BOAC : "Best Leader" can be defined a number of ways. Some leaders have been charismatic and well liked but not particularity effective, while others have us
64 B744F : LOL! he was a senile old man with only his acting ability left to fool everyone into thinking he knew what he was doing. We are still paying for his
65 DL021 : Chirp chirp chirp.......
66 B744F : All you are doing is showing how obvious it is people have no response to any of my comments unless they make circular arguments, insults, and baseles
67 ME AVN FAN : no, there was no chance for that. He had built up good contacts with the Arab World, but exactly THIS was bad for his relations with Iran. The Irania
68 Gipper913 : 1.) Ronald Reagan 2.) Winston Churchill 3.) Ghandi 4.) John Paul II (for role in the Cold War) 5.) Harry Truman 6.) Margaret Thatcher 7.) Mikhail Gorb
69 B744F : What exactly was Reagan good at?
70 ANCFlyer : Damn cricket infestation in this thread . . . . Can you hear?
71 ME AVN FAN : He was a good actor. One of his best "acts" was "President of the USA", a life-show of 8 years. And he gave enormous speeches. I remember that I, on
72 Post contains images Gipper913 : B744F, I truly worry about your history education. In another thread you actually wrote, "Limited government? What nonsense, the Constitution setup a
73 Gipper913 : I would put him on my list of great all-around leaders anyday...my list was for leaders of nation-states.
74 Slider : Reagan Lombardi Patton
75 DL021 : Gipper....The educational efforts are laudable, but unhappily wasted on the cricket to whom you speak in your last thread. ME AVN FAN.....If you liste
76 102IAHexpress : Jesse H Jones The greatest Texan to have ever lived.
77 Texdravid : I'm glad many of you decided to put the Mahatma on your list of best leaders in modern times, but his name was Gandhi, not Ghandi!! I can't believe hi
78 DL021 : I think the Mahatma would say "I do not care how you spell my name, as long as you understood the message." and hold your hands in his while he said i
79 Post contains images AR1300 : My GP's left in 1957 I just asked him( he lives with us) and told me that he did the same as king Faruk would've done.Assuan was in the plans long ti
80 Texdravid : ....and learn how to spell my name, dammit!!
81 767Lover : Yeah, he was a monument of peace in the whole Indonesia/East Timor debacle. I come from a long line of Georgia Democrats who think the world of the g
82 BA : In no particular order: Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton Franklin Delano Roosevelt Mohammad Mossadegh Rafic Hariri Gamal Abdel Nasser Patrice Lumumba Ho Chi
83 Texan : Great guy, just couldn't get it done as President. I admire him most for his speech at Law Day at the University of Georgia. If you have not read it,
84 Post contains images Mrniji : People like him because he governed like a dictator. He was brutal towards peacefully protesting students during the Anti-Vietnam protests in Califor
85 ANCFlyer : C'Mon Subin . . . are you trying to tell me that the leader of the only other World Super Power at that time had no hand in the fall if the USSR??? C
86 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Marshall Applewhite. Intelligent and enigmatic enough to take 38 idiotic people with him. Who knows....he could be on a comet to heaven. If we only ha
87 Post contains images Mrniji : John, it all depends on the perspective. Similar thing I noted in politics: When the German wall fell, Helmut Kohl tried to attribute this to his per
88 MrChips : For me, and in no particular order: JFK Woodrow Wilson (too bad no one else wanted to cooperate) Konrad Adenauer John Paul II Lech Walesa Mikhail Gorb
89 Post contains images ANCFlyer : First and foremost my friend, I appreciate the international perspective of persons such as yourself on this site. One of the primary reasons I enjoy
90 Post contains images Mrniji : ANCFlyer, let me give you an example, which might actually clarify many things: When I was a High School Student in Parker, CO, we were supposed to do
91 LY7E7 : I've seen Ehud Barak twice in this thread. ???? Pulling Israel out of Lebanon (that and the Camp David offer were the only good things that he did ) c
92 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Once again, the perspective . . . and once again the reason this site offers no limit to it's value when things are discussed in a mature and open ma
93 N1120A : Why? Because he came up with a fair and pragmatic plan that would have absolutely worked and been accepted had President Clinton not been dealing wit
94 Post contains images Mrniji : And we should not forget that I was a small child that time and only learned out of history books about that (though I remember the excitement and wo
95 Post contains images LY7E7 : No, but because 1)Actual results never came, 2) Internally he was a very lame PM, he virtually dismissed country's economy and couldn't deal with the
96 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ahhh, yes, my friend, posted in Hessen . . in Wiesbaden . . . on Wiesbaden Army Air Field . . . you will see it on departure from FRA on occasion . .
97 Post contains images We're Nuts : Hell is all the aforementioned people.
98 ME AVN FAN : his speeches indeed said NOTHING greatness ? while in fact a rather dull and inactive president Ahmed BenBella of course lead Algeria into independen
99 LY7E7 : Well, we've all seen where the "all or nothing" attitude took 'em.
100 Pelican : I've forgotten le grand president Charles de Gaulle and Lech Walesa... pelican
101 ME AVN FAN : no, the problem was NOT "all or nothing", the actual problem was that they "worked" with a leader who, battered with Parkinson's Disease no longer wa
102 Post contains images Jamie757 : Rgds.
103 LY7E7 : Hence his resignation and early elections. Unfortunately nobody at the other side thought to elect another leader, at least as long as the Parkinson
104 Mygind66 : As spanish citizen I'm proud and happy to see this. I was 14 years old when the attempted coup. He was a key factor to stop the riot. Has any named S
105 ME AVN FAN : Unfortunately, your side was ages ahead, in realising that a leader without majority in parliament HAD to resign. While people on the Arab sign kept
106 WhiteHatter : If you add some additional criteria to it then it makes it interesting. A leader can be defined as someone who is a great communicator and capable of
107 Gipper913 : I am afraid so....but occasionally, I have to at least TRY! Welcome to my RU list!
108 Post contains images Gipper913 : UM...if the idea is best LEADERS....even putting asode his enormous naivete....why would you have someone whom you admit couldn't lead the world or e
109 Post contains images Omoo : my list....no particular order - Julius Nyerere - Nelson Mandela - MLK - Rabin - Haile Sellasie - Clinton - FDR - Tony Blair - HRH QE - II - Hussein I
110 Psa53 : I like to say FDR as a great leader,but the Japanese Interment,is a displacement of our fellow citizens and an embarrassment in America. How would yo
111 DL021 : I think that Haile Selassie lost it in the last 20 years of his reign, but his call to arms in the face of the Italian invasion is one of the classic
112 ZRH : You are kidding? Brandt was the worst Chancellor Germany had. He was a communist and probably a spy for the GDR (Guillaume affair).
113 Mrniji : You are an absolute fool! How would have Germany and the GDR approached elsewise? Do you remember how Willy Brandt went down to his knees in Warsaw?
114 Halls120 : Someone cut and pasted me into being a Carter fan, which couldn't be farther from the truth. He was an inept leader - period.
115 ZRH : Exactly that was what I wanted to say. He almost sold West Germany to the Communists. He was almost sucked up to their .... If we had such "leaders"
116 Post contains images Mrniji : ! Thanks for this brilliant and bullshit statement! That made my day Thanks to Willy Brandt for your resistance during the second world war, for bett
117 Post contains images Cornish : No that was just because he walked unintentionally into the filming of one of those Berlin gay porn movies
118 ME AVN FAN : no, I am NOT kidding. Brandt was the one who normalised the relations of West Germany with Eastern Europe, changed the West German habit to describe
119 ME AVN FAN : He was NOT "inept", whenever also Jimmy Carter made his mistakes. But he was one of the best presidents your country has ever had Arafat got the Nobe
120 Mrniji : Further to this, Brandt is highly recognized today, even with the opposition party! He had the nuts to step back after teh Guillaume affair... resign
121 DL021 : Yeah...inactive...the greatest economic boom in living memory started with the giant tax cuts and draconian spending cuts in non-essential programs.
122 Mrniji : looking at facts is a selective practice either - you can choose certain facts and omit others.. I could say: Hey, look at Camp Davis, look what Cart
123 ZRH : I think you have no clue about European history and politics, but I forgive you, you live too fare away.
124 Post contains images Mrniji : Again you have no clue.. I am officially registered in your neighbor country and lived there long enough and did my schooling there (something you ap
125 L410Turbolet : ...as we have seen since September 2000 up until his death? Giving a Nobel Prize to a terrorist who quit being a terrorist for a while - what a sick
126 Post contains images DL021 : I guess the irony of my statement toward the lawyer turned godfigure was a bit too subtle..... I normally don't deify people..... And Indira was the
127 Post contains links and images Spinzels : Greatest economic boom in living memory? The 1980s? Economic growth in the 1980s under Reagan was comparable to economic growth in the 1990s under Cl
128 Halls120 : He was in fact so inept that he was challenged for re-election within his own party, and defeated soundly by a candidate with minimal foreign policy
129 Spinzels : I always get a chuckle when people express their personal opinion as an established fact (“[Carter] was an inept leader – period”) and then act
130 Boeing7E7 : Ronnie, Maggie and Mickey. We're still recovering from the Cold War hang over (Middle East) but at least the Cold War is over because of these three.[
131 Post contains images Gipper913 : Agreed. Was his biggest failing. That said, it wasn't like he didn't want to cut spending. He had to deal with a Democrat controlled congress that lo
132 B744F : I did say that and it is the truth, the Civil War and countless other examples prove it. Lets go over your 6th grade education, shall we? Reagan did
133 We're Nuts : I'm always fascinated by people who think knowing one side of the story is more than enough. If you understood the real state of the USSR, long befor
134 Post contains images Gipper913 : Actually, a BA in political Science from a top-25 university and a law degree from a top-25 law school. As to the rest, you are simply wrong. No fact
135 Gipper913 : I must confess, I almost always get that one wrong, and rarely catch the error before it is too late!
136 Post contains images Avianca : Hulk Hogan former leader of all WWF (WWE) junckies....
137 B744F : Great, a lawyer, well that explains everything. I did not prove your point, I showed an example of the absolute federal power that still holds true t
138 DL021 : Holy crap.....those crickets certainly are long winded tonight. Completely lacking in anything resembling logic or common sense. I think that cricket
139 ZRH : My dear. I see you have NO idea.
140 Halls120 : Of course I was stating my opinion. I never claimed it was fact. However, when a sitting president is challenged for renomination by a candidate with
141 Delta767300ER : -Ronald Reagan -Bill Clinton -FDR -JFK -Winston Churchill -Gorbachev -Delta767300ER
142 Post contains links and images Mrniji : Well, I will censor you if I want to - just kidding.. what I meant is that you gane a statement like: "This is the way it is and prove me that I am w
143 B744F : If you can't find common sense or logic in there I suggest you just give up now and stop playing the hoiler than thou routine. if you aren't going to
144 MD11Engineer : Back to Willy Brandt: Willy Brandt came from a poor background. His real name was Herbert Frahm (Willy Brandt is his cover name he adopted when workin
145 Post contains images Spinzels : You need to go back and do a little research on the 1980s. The Republicans controlled the Senate from 1981 to 1987, Democrats did not control congres
146 Post contains images Spinzels : Well, I know that, but I don't think you did. Glad you know now. Now you are changing your story. Before it was simple, Carter was inept because he w
147 ME AVN FAN : He in the last five years of his life was ill, suffering from Parkinson's and increasingly from liver cyrrhosis and therefore no longer realy was in
148 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm changing nothing, and my facts are just fine. Carter had one term of national office. Thatcher and Churchill had long tenures of public service a
149 B744F : Ridiculous. It gave minorities the opoprtunities that they deserved but all these programs were cut because Ronald "there are no such thing as homele
150 Post contains images Gipper913 : 1.) Now, there's an intelligent retort! 2.) Yes, it does explain that I, you know, actually STUDIED Constitutional Law. 3.) Most of the lawyers I kno
151 Post contains images TUNisia : Mother Theresa "Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the p
152 Halls120 : Just how is the creation of a welfare system that fosters multiple successive generations of families living on the public dole instead of actually g
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