Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4740 posts, RR: 13 Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
Not to wish anyone or any business misfortune. But, I heard that in New York City, the once great radio station formerly known as WCBS-FM switched to this mindless corporate cheap format. Guess what folks? In this last Arbitron ratings book. WCBS-FM was 9th. in Gotham City. Since this radio giant switched to JACK ratings dropped to 17th. place! When will the corporate bean counters ever learn, that the public knows crap when they see it or in this case hear it! You can pour honey over shit: But it is still shit none the less! Lets hope Bob, Jack and Dan vanish as quickly as cheap gasoline. Let us hope that in Baltimore, the reactions and results will be the same!
BNAflyer78 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
JACK-FM is here in Nashville too - they just switched formats a few months ago. Actually it cracks me up because it took over the oldies station and every once and a while, they'll play recordings of these IRATE people who can't find their oldies and don't realize that they are being made fun of!
The music sucks though....Garth Brooks one minute and Lords of Acid the next!
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3366 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1441 times:
Opie and Anthony did a great bit recording the crazy protestors outside the CBS-FM studio. You can find it at foundrymusic.com
They were talking about how it was Un-American and how it will make their lives harder without CBS-FM being on.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
The conversion of one of the leading 'oldies' stations in the USA in NYC to this Jack(shi#) format was absolutly terrible. Problem is all the owners of radio stations only want the 15-35 crowd, who don't even listen to radio anymore, preferring to listen to bootleg recordings on their computers, MP3 players and I-Pods and not get a 20 minutes of commercials or babble per hour. I hope they fail miserably.
N317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
I'll take Jack-FM in Seattle anyday. It's better with it's 2 minutes of commercials every so often, and no incesant babling from DJ's, who think they are funny because a few idiots tell them they are.
DFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 492 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
We've got JACK in Victoria and Vancouver. While it's grown in popularity in Vancouver, it's ratings have been awful compared to its predecessor HOT103 - a chart music teen station. And I hate JACK too!
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Y(J)ACK-FM took over for Los Angeles area legend Arrow 93.1 (KCBS-FM) last year and has made me ill ever since.
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Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
We have JackFM in Toronto, and we can also pick up the Buffalo station. It's an altenative really. It's not bad for listening to some stuff that is otherwise overplayed elsewhere. Here in Toronto at least, you can get some pretty good sets of music, but there are also a lot of crappy ones too.
My biggest pet peeve with JackFM is that they cut short the songs, even ones that have memorable endings. It's like they used a computer to cut 5 or 10 seconds from the tail end of a song without having anybody actually check to see how it sounds!
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9906 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1331 times:
We don't have Jack-FM in Portland, but we have his brother, Charlie FM. They play everything from Beach Boys to Beastie Boys. Blech. I bought Sirius Radio for a reason. (Area 63 RULES!!!) When I do listen to the radio, I listen to Progressive Talk or 94.7 Alternative Portland. I lived through the 1980s and 1990s once. Why would I want to do it again?
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1322 times:
I too mourned the loss of Arrow 93 FM. They turned into that "Jack" format.
I have mixed feelings on them.
On one hand, I do like their well rounded and eclectic format which apparently means that I am not alone in my musical tastes or utter disdain for the last decades or so offering of "Top 40" material.
But on the flip side, their actual presentation is what really stinks: their self-promotion is really sloppy and obnoxious. They have a habit of coming out of commercial and starting a song. They let it play for about 30 seconds, then they play a dozen 10 second snippets from other songs all spliced together before actually playing a whole song. It's that whole "gotcha" format, and to me, is really annoying as hell.
I think that Jack really does have some untapped potential. But it's their attitude and presentation that needs to be cleaned up. Not their choice of material, of which I like about 75%, far higher than even the defunct Arrow was able to achieve.
Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.
I used to listen to them quite frequently. But that's another station that's gone down the tubes. First, their number of commercials is simply out of control. They need to either stop being so damn greedy, or start upping their rates. They average about 9 minutes of commercial for every 20 minutes of airtime. And it's all staggered out: they'll do a couple of commercials. Then one or two news story summaries. Then a couple more commercials. Then another story or two. Then commercials. And so on.
And as if that weren't bad enough, 80% of their commercials seem to be of the "Home Mortgage/Loans" variety.
Blah.
Now to add insult to injury, KFWB is another station that seems to be suffering from an identity crisis: are they a news station? Or a sports station.
Either one by itself is OK. But they are trying to be both. And frankly, it stinks. Bad. Not only do you have to listen through commercial after commercial, but half the time, you don't even know if they're broadcasting news, or a Dodgers game.
And as if that STILLM weren't bad enough, someone needs to tell their traffic reports manager that there are a lot more freeways in LA than just the 101, the Santa Monica, and the Golden State.
Because those seem to prettu much be the only freeways they'll report on. There can be a sixteen car fatality on the 91 in Corona, causing a 6 hour backup all the way back to Long Beach, but they won't report it. Instead, they'll tell you that the 101 through North Hollywood is "wide open".
And that's even assuming they're reporting traffic. Like I said. Half the time, they aren't. They're broadcasting a Dodgers game.
Needless to say, KFWB has been 86'd from my radio dial.
Too much commercials. Too unreliable availability. And very limited coverage.
Psa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): Y(J)ACK-FM took over for Los Angeles area legend Arrow 93.1 (KCBS-FM) last year and has made me ill ever since.
I'm glad Arrow is gone.Arrow was like a top 40 format, "classic music"
station were they were very predictable and got very boring
to listen to. And at times they would condensed and edit music like
"Smoke On The Water" and Frampton's "Do you feel".
Way to much Queen and Elton John,as well.I like those artists and no
political statement here,but it was overkill play.
Quoting Matt D (Reply 9): LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.
Quoting Matt D (Reply 9): Now to add insult to injury, KFWB is another station that seems to be suffering from an identity crisis: are they a news station? Or a sports station.
Captoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
It is probably just a sign of the times. Corporate giants like ClearChannel are buying up every station on the planet, and messing with what was more or less working. If the same company owns every station in a market, they can't all be number 1, but it seems like they are always shooting for that goal. I hate when a station changes formats every 3 months, like some seem to. It takes me about 3 months to decide I like a station enough to load it into my presets. This is why I have sat radio, I am sick of the games on the broadcast stuff.
It seems without fail, no matter where I go in the country, I get the same syndicated talk bullshit, or the same music playlist. Variety is a good thing people. Not every market in the world needs to hear the same things. Some of us liked our local talent, before ClearChannel bought the station and fired them, or put them on some glorified walkie-talkie in someplace nobody cares about, like Anchorage.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Quoting Matt D (Reply 9): Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.
I also miss the identification "KFWB News 98" as opposed to that crap "News 980". Also, whatever happened to "you give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world"?
Quoting Psa53 (Reply 10): Arrow was like a top 40 format, "classic music"
station were they were very predictable and got very boring
Not at all. Arrow played a great variety of classic rock that would often pull things out you had not heard in years
Quoting Psa53 (Reply 10): That's what happens when CBS owns both stations.
I take it you mean KNX 1070 and KFWB 98(0), which are both owned by Infinity Radio, a subsidiary of Viacom, which is the parent of CBS
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Psa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12): Arrow played a great variety of classic rock that would often pull things out you had not heard in years
Maybe a weekend night,when the format was a lot more open.But daytime,
very tight and some songs edited.KLOS(ABC) still is the best.I guess my tastes are more classic hard rock then the 3 minute song.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12): I take it you mean KNX 1070 an KFWB 98(0),
That's correct.They both moved out of their Hollywood studios in favor
of the Miracle Mile.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
I am proud to say that I have a reel to reel air check (off the air recording) of the Fleetwood Mac concert that Arrow broadcasted live, commercial free 7/17/2003. I caught the introduction with Uncle Joe announcing "Arrow 93 FM".
ASMD80 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
Jack is one of the many "crappy" radio stations in Seattle. Ugh, it makes me sick to have all these crappy radio stations!
-Jack tops my list of BAD stations!
-Clear channel is just another evil company just trying to be very strict to the FCC standards.
-I hate it how stations like Star 101.5 and Mix 92.5 are starting to put more crap that should be left to other stations!
-Now, stations like KISS 106.1 really make me sick. All they seem to play is a few (c)rap songs, Kelly Clarkson, and The Killers. How boring is that?
Quoting Captoveur (Reply 11): Variety is a good thing people. Not every market in the world needs to hear the same things. Some of us liked our local talent
And that's why I rarely,if at all listen to the radio!
Some things are actually better at 30,000+ feet...
Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1530 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
In New York City, the oldies station WCBS-FM 101.1 while it ranked in the top ten stations in the New York City market, the average age of the listener was over 50 years old.
The owners say that with the new Jack format, they are targeting a much younger age group, which they feel that even with lower ratings, the ad revenues will be higher because ad rates are based on a lot of things including the average age of the listener. Younger people tend to spend more money than the older age group, so that is the market they are after.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
Quoting Matt D (Reply 9): Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.
That's why I listen to KNX. Much more interesting. Except I like listening to Vin Scully for the Dodger games.
To the original topic: Infinity & Clear Channel are slowly killing over-air radio. Give me my iPod and my XM, and I pretty much am set. I don't even listen to FM radio any more.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1197 times:
The NYC Jack FM sucks. My mom listened to the CBSFM one, and that was the only one she listened to, and now this Jack FM, while it is on every Long Island Bus ad out there (literally) I don't like it. They say they play what they want. It doesn't sounds great from that. I hate stations that play oldies then a new hit and then a 3 year old song then then back to an oldie. Stupid
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