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New Orleans, Gulf Coast Was Not Ready.  
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

These areas which were hit by Hurricane Katrina were just not ready for a storm of this magnitude. In Bolixi only 30% of the population evacuated! That city is destroyed there could be 1,000 dead. Saw videos of the damage it was horrible. Just about every house in Bolixi was gone. Showing that building codes were not up to code much. New Orleans was not ready at all. They had no evacuation plan and no real plans for an evacuation shelter. If New Orleans took a direct hit who knows if the superdome would have stayed up. The levy are breaking the flooding is getting worse. The levys broke after the storm. New Orleans should have been ready for a storm like this, it was going to happen and now it did.
Anything else anybody notice? Any other stories or certain towns which are destroyed.
Also gas prices are way up. Premium hit 3.01 in my local gas station for the first time.


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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1504 times:
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Quoting FlyMIA (Thread starter):
Premium hit 3.01 in my local gas station for the first time.

3.31 where i live (Chicago) for Premium



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13767 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
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New Orleans, Gulf Coast Was Not Ready

Ya think?

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FEMA



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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Its amazing that all the poor black people where left behind. While all the richer people with cars drove to safety. The difference's in classes shows through at times like this.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

4 levys failed in New Orleans today. That is just not acceptable. The city has been lucky for many years since it had not had a hit from a strong storm. But really how could New Orleans have this happen. Levys failing like that after the storm. I know its a lot of water but it was going to happen. New Orleans did not even get a direct hit. I guess the water was just to much for the bowl city.

Another city which is not ready for a hurricane strike is New York City. When NYC does get struck by a Hurricane its going to be pretty bad. I cant even imagine what a major hurricane will do to New York City. Hopefully it will never happen the its been decades since one hit NYC area and its due for a hit sometime. But that is not important right now. The devistation in Louisiana and Mississippi is what is important right now. 80% of New Orleans flooded!



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Can't make 'em evacuate . . . .

Someone explain to me the 30 dead bodies in the apartment building in Biloxi? Stubborn? Stupid? Yes . . . and now, unfortunately, dead.

Regardless of the planning the city had - or failed to have - you're not going to be able to blame the cities of NO, Biloxi, and others because the population is stupid.

How many people have they plucked off roofs in NO today? Decided to ride it out in their homes, knowing they've been told their is a shit storm coming. Stupid.

How about the shrimp fisherman that stayed out for that extra couple hours? Stupid.

So - blame the cities all you want . . . much of the blame lies with the stupidity of the population.

Those that couldn't evacuate - those at the Superdome - at least they had the sense to go . . .

If I'd had the same warning . . . I'd have been long gone - it's called common sense.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13767 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
blame the cities all you want . . . much of the blame lies with the stupidity of the population

Sad, but absolutely true.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3649 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

My girlfriend has family in Biloxi and they lost their house and business.

Totally, 100% gone.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 3):
Its amazing that all the poor black people where left behind. While all the richer people with cars drove to safety. The difference's in classes shows through at times like this.

DC, I need a little help to get this straight. I'm struggling to see what you are saying.

Is it:

(1) Only black people are poor in NO?
(2) When you say the "poor" black people were left behind, you meant "poor" not meaning wealth, but "poor" being an adjective describing black people because the city of NO only let white people leave the city?
(3) Only white people own cars in NO?

Huh???

Amazing. I don't know, maybe you do, but while I certainly see the "poor" people of city being the most victimized, I certainly don't tag them as all being black.
I guess that's your call.



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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

How many people had only mass transit to rely on. How would they evacuate ? Did yah see all them black people walking east down I-10. I know I know piss on the poor. Let'em drowned. No wait, its the liberal media putting a bad spin on this other wise wonderful hurricane. What a shameful excuse of a country we live in.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Can't make 'em evacuate . . . .

Huh? If my backyard starts caving in from a big sinkhole, you can guarantee the police will be dragging me out..even if I refuse to do so. If I fail to do so they'll just pop me with a Chapter 51. I'd be considered a risk to myself.

Mark


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 9):
What a shameful excuse of a country we live in.

Thats because people like you live here.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 1):
3.31 where i live (Chicago) for Premium

To quote a guy who works for the largest (Chevron affiliated) distributor in my town (he has been the one we've dealt with for our supplies at work for the last 7 years) "Expect gas to go up $1.00 to $1.50 in the next 36 hours and will be followed by smaller increases for the next few weeks and don't expect it to ever seriously go down". Even he is starting to think the hurricane is being used as an excuse to raise the price.

Now, is what he says going to happen? I have no idea but I wouldn't be surprised.



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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Ever been to NO Guitrtree dude, I'd say 90% of the poor, poor people are black. Does that clear it up.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 12):
"Expect gas to go up $1.00 to $1.50 in the next 36 hours and will be followed by smaller increases for the next few weeks and don't expect it to ever seriously go down". Even he is starting to think the hurricane is being used as an excuse to raise the price.

Now, is what he says going to happen? I have no idea but I wouldn't be surprised.

For once we're in complete agreement . . . I wouldn't be a bit surprised . . . the news reports wholesale gasoline up .40cents a gallon today . . . .


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 3):
Its amazing that all the poor black people where left behind. While all the richer people with cars drove to safety. The difference's in classes shows through at times like this.

Waaaa Waaaa, cry me a fu¢king RIVER!!.. If if this is such and offense: hop in your car drive the 30 something hours and give someone a lift!!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
much of the blame lies with the stupidity of the population

ABSOLUTELY



POSITIVELY


____ING



CORRECT!!!!

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 7):
My girlfriend has family in Biloxi and they lost their house and business.

Totally, 100% gone.

AS, as much as I like calling you a toilet, my heart somewhat goes out to your girl. Not only because she's your girl, but for her loss as well. The things her and her family lost are irreplaceable no matter how much money is spent. If they have insurance it will be good. They will get a check and their future will be in thier hands. If they have REALLY good insurance they will be able to choose to rebuild the past 'only better'. If they don't; they will have some tough decisions to make.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 9):
How many people had only mass transit to rely on.

All of them 24 hours before the storm, next stop super dome...

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 9):
Did yah see all them black people walking east down I-10.

yeap; because the dumbasses stayed there and left their trucks under water.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 9):
What a shameful excuse of a country we live in.

Life is hard, wear a helmet!


I used to take a certain sadistic pride that I was an Andrew survivor. I tip my hat to the people who lived through this one. BUT Andrew and Ivan made it VERY clear to these people NOT to fu¢k around!! If they choose to ignore those lessons and got killed, guess what? TOOO FU¢KING BAD!!! I live in Florida BECAUSE we do get warning. I have TWO escape routes, Go south, or go North. Last year I went south for the most part and it worked out fine. I know that I will not GET caught by any of these storms unless I do something dumb like not take care of my car (which I maintain impeccibly). I learned from one of the worse storms (Andrew) not to take chances and stick around if you can help it. It's a lot easier to come home to an empty lot and an insurance guy with a check then loose a loved one or wake up dead.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

DC10...stop whining and start helping.

Assistance was offered to every citizen in the area. Shelters and transport to the shelters were available. Many people are now being quoted as saying that they wished they had obeyed the evacuation orders....

The people there had sufficient warning to at least make it to a shelter from pretty much anywhere. Many simply decided they'd be able to ride out the storm, and either did not want to leave their homes.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 13):
Ever been to NO Guitrtree dude, I'd say 90% of the poor, poor people are black. Does that clear it up.

No. It doesn't. Why? Because, unlike you, I don't care what race you are. Being left behind in an evacuation because you can't afford to is unfair, and it sucks.

However, that being said, first, I'd like to see proof that 90% of poor people of NO are black, PROOF, and not just as you put it, "I'd say," and second, and with statements like the following:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 3):
Its amazing that all the poor black people where left behind.

you make it sound like ONLY the poor BLACK citizens were left while the poor WHITE citizens were evacuated.

It's very obvious you don't use the spell checker, but at least read your sentences before you hit "post the message" to make sure they mean what you are trying to say.

[Edited 2005-08-31 03:57:50]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

New Orleans is not to blame for the deaths. That is people's stupidity for not evacuating. However, it is not their fault that New Orleans has ridiculously outdated building codes and unsound structures. The people's stupidity is not to be blamed. If Katrina had hit South Florida or Southern California, with some of the strictest building codes, the destruction to property due to winds (I know flooding is a different story) would be very different. New Orleans has had decades to improve their building codes and their levy system. For whatever reasons, they didn't.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

New Orleans, actually the US Army Corps of Engineers has continuously improved the levees and the pumping system.

The city itself is over 300 years old in some areas, so I gotta ask....

what do you do to prepare ancient buildings and a below sea level city from a 165MPH hurricane and the accompanying sea surge?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

>> Ever been to NO Guitrtree dude, I'd say 90% of the poor, poor people are black. Does that clear it up.

If you want to know the facts as reported on ABC:

25% of New Orleans lives below the poverty line, and while quite high, that is a far cry from 90%

1/6 New Orleans residents do not own a car, this correlates to about +80% of the population having a car at their disposal.

>> 4 levys failed in New Orleans today. That is just not acceptable. The city has been lucky for many years since it had not had a hit from a strong storm. But really how could New Orleans have this happen. Levys failing like that after the storm. I know its a lot of water but it was going to happen. New Orleans did not even get a direct hit. I guess the water was just to much for the bowl city.

#1. Construction on a new levy system that would be able to withstand a direct Category 5 hit was to begin in the next year or so after years of planning.

#2. No shit, sherlock.

>> For once we're in complete agreement . . . I wouldn't be a bit surprised . . . the news reports wholesale gasoline up .40cents a gallon today . . .

Glad I filled up Sunday  Sad


User currently offlineBhmbaglock From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Thread starter):
Showing that building codes were not up to code much.

Not at all, coastal building codes in MS and AL are very similar to FL these days. Of course there are lots of older buildings. It's more an issue of enforcement; not unlike MIA prior to Andrew. For example, WTF were they thinking when they allowed people to build 2 story Cape Cods in Cutler Ridge w/o even requiring proper bracing of the trusses? Answer - they weren't thinking.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 4):
Another city which is not ready for a hurricane strike is New York City. When NYC does get struck by a Hurricane its going to be pretty bad.

Unless the hurricane eye is locked on to the Gulf Stream the odds are very low of seeing a Cat 4-5 hurrican hit NYC. Several have basically followed this path in the past and as far as I can remember none has hit the NE as more than a Cat III. It's certainly a potential problem there but certainly not a huge worry.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 3):
Its amazing that all the poor black people where left behind. While all the richer people with cars drove to safety.

People decide to stay behind for a variety of reasons. I had many relatives who did not evacuate for Andrew and two died for making the mistake. They were neither black nor poor(nor rich for that matter). I spent several weeks helping clean up in various parts of Dade County and can assure you that there was even representation of races for victims, relief workers, and thieves/profiteers alike. I have no reason to think that things are different this time around.

Of course, I am waiting for the joint press conference where Rev JJ, Sharpton, etc. blame the hurricane on racism in America.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Huh? If my backyard starts caving in from a big sinkhole, you can guarantee the police will be dragging me out..even if I refuse to do so

This system breaks down a bit when millions have the sinkhole appear simultaneously.


But as to the thread topic itself, obviously these areas could have been much better prepared. I have mixed feelings on rebuilding. Certainly I think that anyone should be able to rebuild but I don't like the idea of taxpayer subsidies to predictable disasters.



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User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

I pity those who decided to stay,even though they could afford and could pysically get out of the city-even if the building regulations were not up to date. There was a MANDATORY evacuation,and there were numerous ways out of the city. This was a catagory 5 storm up until just before it hit the city. If a cat 5 hurricane is heading for my house, im leaving early.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
It's very obvious you don't use the spell checker, but at least read your sentences before you hit "post the message" to make sure they mean what you are trying to say.

Not only is he obsessed with being politically correct,but hes also a spelling nazi  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Folks, can we please leave the discussion of demographics for somewhere else.

Poorer people are clearly going to be disadvantaged when it comes to a situation like this, and from everything that has been reported (and indeed everything that has been said by all contributors to this thread), it is the poor who had more difficulty evacuating New Orleans. That is the issue at hand. Yes there is a big argument that can be had about the demographic breakdown of poverty. But this is not the place for that argument.

V/F



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Unfortunately one of my good friends uncle was one who decided to stay in the area where Katrina hit. My friends family has not been able to contact him yet. I do agree the people were very Stupid for not evacuating atleast to the Superdome. But many did not know how serious it could be. Since a major hurricane has not hit in decades. Well I can say this, no one in North America will take any hurricane lightly for time to come.


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25 Post contains links Tbar220 : FlyMIA and DL021, If you want to know one of the major reasons why New Orleans wasn't ready for this storm, I refer you to the following thread I post
26 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Right on target. Knew this was coming. Luckily barrel costs went down below $70 with the release of the reserves. Amen. Haha.
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Tbar, as was pointed out in the thread you referenced above, the cuts you highlight weren't due to occur until FY06 . . . ummm, according to the feder
28 Tbar220 : ANC, Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see that.
29 Arkhem : I believe DC10GUY said 90% of the poor are black. 2/3 of New Orleans' population is black. Over 27% of NO residents are below the poverty line. This
30 ME AVN FAN : Just a word in defence of whomever who "was NOT ready". People of course are NOT ready for something which has NOT occurred in a lifetime. People in S
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