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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Yes this is going to be a Bush bashing thread, so anyone not wanting to read it can hit the back button on your browser now!

Fox is reporting Bush may visit the hardest hit areas on Friday or Saturday. Today he flew back to DC.

Wouldn't it have been more cost effective for him to go by helicopter from Crawford today, or stay in Crawford until it is deemed OK for him to go to those areas? Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?

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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Him going back to D.C. itself gives the impression he is going to "work on the situation."

Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes.

But the idea gives an impression of the president "at work," which could help his approval ratings.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?

Can the man do anything right? I mean, everyone on this note who cares enough knows I wouldn't shake Bush's hand if you paid me for it, but sometimes I think he needs to be given a break.

Of course he should visit the area, that's what every head of government would to. Heck, Schröder won the last election exactly this way!



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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

2 disasters in such a short time... poor area.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
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Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Wouldn't it have been more cost effective for him to go by helicopter from Crawford today, or stay in Crawford until it is deemed OK for him to go to those areas? Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?

Simply to piss you off.

He was in San Diego prior to going back to DC.....I'll bet you'll find fault there too.



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User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

I'd like to know of any leader in the past, whose country was in a war that was going disasterously!!!, and in the midst of it all took 5 weeks vacation. What a way to support his own troops that he sent to their death and suffering...

As for the hurricane, him visiting is the last thing Louisiana needs. All these people are suffering, and are homeless, and here comes this moron (sorry, couldn't resist) in a private, decked out 747, with all this security, causing nothing more than havoc!


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
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According to Sky News, who just showed AF1 landing at Andrews, GWB viewed the disaster area from the 747 en route from TX....way to get close to the electorate, Mr Pres.


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Bush Views Katrina Devastation From Plane
Points:
* Bush tours devastated areas aboad Air Force One
* Bush ordered pilots to fly at 2500 ft over New Orleans
* Pilots flew over Mississippi at 1700 ft
* White House spokesman Scott McClellan quoted Bush as saying, "It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_katrina

During those low passes, Air Force One was undoubtedly low enough for people to recognize the aircraft.


redngold



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

I guess that it shows the people on the ground that the US government and Bush are thinking of them!

What has happened is awful!

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Him going back to D.C. itself gives the impression he is going to "work on the situation."

Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes.

You bash him for going on vacation, then when he leaves you bash him for not staying longer.

R41


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Quoting Ren41 (Reply 9):
You bash him for going on vacation, then when he leaves you bash him for not staying longer.

instead of spending the countless millions it takes just to fly him there so he can look for no real reason except to get better raitings, they could have used that money and donated it to the Red Cross or another agency responsible for the evacuation and recovery


User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Yes this is going to be a Bush bashing thread

Of course it is....this is a.net after all.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes

absolutely! The first things the democrats would have done is whine that he is on vacation.

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 5):
I'd like to know of any leader in the past, whose country was in a war that was going disasterously!!!, and in the midst of it all took 5 weeks vacation. What a way to support his own troops that he sent to their death and suffering...

The last time i checked we kicked the crap out of sadaams army in about 10 days. You need to speak to some of the soldiers that are fighting over their. And yes i have relatives who are serving.
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.


User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

b744f,

Get real. I would like you to lay out a detailed action plan for a US president that would escape your scrutiny and contradictory remarks. I want details of what he should do. Otherwise you are nothing more than a blowhard who will criticize anythinga nd everything due to a personal bias you seem to hold.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
The last time i checked we kicked the crap out of sadaams army in about 10 days.

And this was the worst dictator in our time who was a danger to the world!! LOL!

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
You need to speak to some of the soldiers that are fighting over their. And yes i have relatives who are serving.

And I'm sure they will tell you what a great time they are having and how the mission is accomplished

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.

How about having a President who doesn't set the record for most vacation days during a term where you had the biggest terrorist attack on our soil and 2 wars still going on?


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
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Quoting Redngold (Reply 7):
During those low passes, Air Force One was undoubtedly low enough for people to recognize the aircraft.



Quoting Christa (Reply 8):
I guess that it shows the people on the ground that the US government and Bush are thinking of them!

People looked up and saw the airplane and were reminded that everything we have is being sent to them. They saw that the US still functions, even if there section is under water or destroyed.

The President needed to see it with his own eyes, and if he had not gone people would use that against him.



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User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 13):
And I'm sure they will tell you what a great time they are having and how the mission is accomplished

They will tell you that the place has change for the better. All you will see (as a bush hater) is the negative. You will never point out anything good the man has done. Kind of narrow minded isn't it?


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

I guess it's the right thing to do for President Bush. Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

For something not so completely different: How come neither the President nor the American Red Cross asked other nations for help?
I understand there are many people without access to drinking water and without well needed medical help.



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User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.

This is so not about Democrats and Republicans anymore.. hell, I'm Canadian anyway... this is about a world leader who lies, and lies, and lies, and is fighting a war which is clearly a lost cause. He's taken a Great country like the US, and has made it the punchline of poeple's jokes. I am not even
American, and I'm taking it personally... how you, as a US citizen can make excuses for him is beyond me!


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 15):
They will tell you that the place has change for the better. All you will see (as a bush hater) is the negative. You will never point out anything good the man has done. Kind of narrow minded isn't it?

I can't name one positive thing the man has done. He claimed to be pro public education then tried to underfund it, every claim about the war turned out to be false. You will never point out anything bad the man has done, you try to dwell on these false hopes that he really means well when it is quite obvious he does whatever Cheney, Rove, and his corporate handlers want.


User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

First, I believe that President Bush would rather teach people to fish that to feed them a fish.(regarding domestic issues of course) Many people have a problem with that.

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
He claimed to be pro public education then tried to underfund it

Can you give me an example?

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
try to dwell on these false hopes that he really means well when it is quite obvious he does whatever Cheney, Rove, and his corporate handlers want.

Do you really believe that? or that what you would like to believe?

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 17):
He's taken a Great country like the US, and has made it the punchline of people's jokes

Only the democrats.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
I guess it's the right thing to do for President Bush. Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

Since right now there is no way to get in and out on the ground except by boat, and FEMA and government officials are asking everyone except trained personnel to stay out, I think Bush did the right thing by flying over at low altitude.


redngold
OMG, I said "I think Bush did the right thing..." Heaven help us!



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Can the man do anything right? . . . . . . but sometimes I think he needs to be given a break.

Never gonna happen on A-Net . . . some people have no fuckin' life and only live to Bash Bush . . . . some are still here, some got canned . . . hopefully, more to follow.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
He was in San Diego prior to going back to DC.....

Celebrating the end of WW2 at VJ Day ceremonies . . . .

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

Friday or Saturday is the plan.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Never gonna happen on A-Net . . . some people have no fuckin' life and only live to Bash Bush . . . . some are still here, some got canned . . . hopefully, more to follow.

I cry no tears for Bush. Few seem to remember, or are simply unwilling to admit, that it was just as bad if not worse for Clinton. At least Bush doesn't have to worry about the news media trying to hold him accountable. If the news media did their job and demanded actual answers from the guy in charge, then I for one would feel like I could back off and let the press handle it. Since they appear to be too caught up in 'national pride' to truly question the president, I find myself acting a lot more cynical and critical of our administration.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
I cry no tears for Bush.

Understatement of the Year Candidate.

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
Few seem to remember, or are simply unwilling to admit, that it was just as bad if not worse for Clinton.

I remember well, but it's not Clinton's time - unless the thread warrants it. I don't think that Bush Bashing is wrong - hell he likely deserves it sometimes. As did your pal Slick Willie.

What I think is stupid, bizarre, inane, very childish, elementary, ridiculous, assinine is that every 3 -4 A-Net threads and/or usually within 5 posts in any given thread Bush is bashed, even when it's not warranted from A-Netters that have no fuckin' life, have nothing on their minds, can contribute absolutely frickin' nothing to a thread unless it's blaming Bush for something, and they simply need to STFU.

I felt the same way and still do about Clinton.

Some people just need to grow up and get a gawddamn life.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

Here's a shot from AF1. What do you think the altitude is?



25 SlamClick : Perhaps John Kerry's campaign manager should have been the one to visit the Gulf States. After all, he is much better acquainted with disasters! Could
26 STLGph : i did no such thing. this has nothing to do with Democrats. there's 1 million or so homeless people. they need help. they want the guy they elected t
27 BigOrange : What good has he done?
28 Sidewinder : If you were president what would you do right now?
29 STLGph : be in Baton Rouge.
30 Sidewinder : Thats awfully vague. And do what?
31 LTBEWR : It was enough for now for President Bush to do the low flyover the N.O. and adjacent areas. The issues of security for him if he were 'on the ground'
32 Usnseallt82 : I think you guys would be surprised how much the flyover helped today. All of our flights at NPA were pulled to allow the flight over the coast and mu
33 Redngold : 2500-3500 ft looks about right to me - if no zoom was used.
34 SATX : How could you possibly know that? If I were over there in the middle of a polluted cesspool with no easy means of escape and a near total lack of san
35 DL021 : How do you know different? THe President will be in the area on Friday according to news reports. The reason you don't send a President into the emer
36 A332 : Even though I detest GWB and his cronies more than anything on this planet, I still think the complaints here are unwarranted... What do you expect th
37 STLGph : Quick geography lesson. You've got a million displaced people looking for homes and what not. If you were a resident of New Orleans and you went nort
38 DL021 : Thanks for the geography lesson, even though I already knew where it was. Now, here's a lesson in disaster management, or any type of situational mana
39 WhiteHatter : Politics aside, he's in the old situation any leader is in. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.... The upside of it is the morale issue which ha
40 AeroWesty : Scott McClelland said during his news briefing this morning that NO rescue efforts were hampered by the president's flyby. Thanks for the view of thi
41 SATX : You seem confused. My blatantly obvious point is... 1. The poster in question cannot read the president's mind better than anyone else. 2. The poster
42 DL021 : That you are positing that he is wrong when you don't know. I'd say that his explanation sounds more accurate than anything you offered. That's my po
43 Usnseallt82 : Pretty simple fact...you weren't there. Don't speak as if you were...you have no idea how it impacted the people. I'm glad you find the need to stoop
44 STLGph : I never said he should not go to the heart of the matter. The entire relief effort is one big massive logistics operation. Centralizing this operatio
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