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Has God Punished The US For Not Supporting Israel?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3173 times:
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Interesting read from the Jerusalem Newswire

Katrina - The fist of God?

...

As today unfolds we are bracing to see wind and water pounding homes, whole communities, into the ground.

Is this some sort of bizarre coincidence? Not for those who believe in the God of the Bible and the immutability of His Word.

What America is about to experience is the lifting of God’s hand of protection; the implementation of His judgment on the nation most responsible for endangering the land and people of Israel.

The Bible talks about Him shaking His fist over bodies of water, and striking them.

...

“It is a fact that Israel’s very existence is in grave danger, because of our nation’s sponsorship of 'land for peace' plans, which have led her to the brink of war,” writes US author William R. Koenig, in his 2004 book Eye to Eye– Facing the consequences of dividing Israel. (21st Century Press, Springfield MO, ISBN 0-9728899-9-X).

On the cover, a grim-faced President Bush is shown looking warily at a massive hurricane threatening his country.

Koenig writes, in a book listing major natural and man-made disasters experienced by the USA during its peace-process efforts in the Middle East:

“America is now experiencing the consequences (curses) of Middle East policies, which have been opposed to God’s Word and to the preservation of His covenant land.”




Yikes. A pretty interesting point of view. Do you believe it?

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3166 times:
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Oops, forgot the source!

http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=676


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Israel is not threatened by this peace process, I'm sorry but thats so ridiculous. If it fails, it fails, but at least Israel can once again show how they have tried to follow their side of the agreement.

I guess every natural/man-made disaster in history all have reasons behind them?


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
A pretty interesting point of view. Do you believe it?

Pretty damm stupid point of view if you ask me.
So then GOD in no way is imparcial, he choose some people over others....right
Way to go Mr.God, very mature way of thinking.

So tell me, some people die(RIP) because some others didn´t suport a third person, becuase this third person wanted to remove some forth population, so there could be less violence in their land.

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Is this some sort of bizarre coincidence? Not for those who believe in the God of the Bible and the immutability of His Word.

some things just get solved with a real nice ass whiping



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

I thought the photo queue was backed up?

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Half a dozen hurricanes occur every year down that way - have done for longer than humans have been around to watch them. We build a settlement there, over the centuries it grows into a city. Eventually it gets in the way of one of the hurricanes. And this fool thinks it is God's punishment?

What did he believe last year when they didn't get hit?



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Do you believe it?

What a load of rubbish. It's perhaps one of the most ridiculous theories ever presented on A.net, and that's saying something.


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

America HASN'T supported Israel? By what metric?? Whomever wrote this needs an 'attitude adjustment' on the top of the head.

User currently offlineJMV From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

How does this guy explain hurricanes or other natural disasters in the US before 1948?  boggled 


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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting JMV (Reply 8):
How does this guy explain hurricanes or other natural disasters in the US before 1948?

also, what did black people did not do to God, so they had to be slavered for years and years and years.

Some people indeed do not worth their existence.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

BUT, the USA has supported Israeli absolutely thoroughly since the 60ies. The USA has allowed Israel EVERYTHING in all these years. THe USA alienated everybody else in its pursuit to secure the total strategic superiority of Israel. IF the USA gets "punished" for anything, it would be that extreme absolute one-sided support for that "State of Israel" !

User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2954 times:

Thats nonsense, the US has never fully supported them. They even condemned Israel for the strike on Saddams nuclear plant in the 80s. The only actual support was during the Yum Kippor War when it looked like Israel might have lost. In general the US' support has been nothing but speeches and no action

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2949 times:

Is this just a really bad joke?  Wow!

The US blindly supports Israel.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2943 times:

I'm surprised Al-Qaeda haven't made a claim that this is the work of Allah, punishing the US for their "sins" in the Middle East!

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8505 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 11):
Thats nonsense, the US has never fully supported them.

That's rubbish. We've given them untold billions of dollars over the years, and shared high end military technology with them.

He sounds like an Israel-at-any-cost American nationalist to me.


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 13):
I'm surprised Al-Qaeda haven't made a claim that this is the work of Allah, punishing the US for their "sins" in the Middle East!

THey did:


From Fox News and CNN:

"Islamic extremists rejoiced in America's misfortune, giving the storm a military rank and declaring in Internet chatter that "Private" Katrina had joined the global jihad, or holy war. With "God's help," they declared, oil prices would hit $100 a barrel this year."

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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2910 times:

I believe the hurricane was indeed the mighty hand of god punishing the USA. But the reason has nothing to do with Israel. God is pissed because of what American greed has done to the earth.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39822 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2907 times:

I saw this bumper sticker:

God is coming and she is pissed!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 11):
In general the US' support has been nothing but speeches and no action

Quite to the contrary. Any criticizm coming from the USA towards Israel has been speeches and no action But the USA for years has covered the Israeli budget. A nation of less than 10 mio got 4 bio US$ per year (total figures) from the USA. And the US-government for decades has acted as if the Israeli Prime Minister would be a Minister of the USA or as if the USA was a protectorate of Israel. The USA for two decades criticized the build up of Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, BUT in the end "compensated" Israel with even MORE support. With the noteable exception of noble Jimmy Carter, all US-presidents since the 60ies one-sidedly and totally supported the Israelis stances and positions


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2893 times:

All you can show is the money Israel gets each year. This is only because of the Camp David accords in which part of the agreement gives Egypt 2 billion as well. So again, the US has not fully supported Israel from day 1 and you have nothing to prove it.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
and you have nothing to prove it.

 redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag 


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2883 times:

Wow your comments were so superior to mine, you really put me in my place

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 21):
Wow your comments were so superior to mine, you really put me in my place

At least I can quote my source : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/graphics/smilies/redflag.gif


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
So again, the US has not fully supported Israel from day 1 and you have nothing to prove it.

Which aggressor should we support? At this point, it's hard to know who made the first strike, and who retaliated.

Let's look at this objectively:

1. The Jewish people have been persecuted for years.
2. The Palestinians occupied was has become Israel in 1948, IIRC.
3. No doubt the Palestinians felt displaced when the State of Israel was formed at that time. I remember reading that Yassir Arafat had a statue of a Native American on his desk for years. Now, I'm no great supporter of Yassir Arafat, but can you honestly blame a nation for feeling persecuted as well when told by the UN that they had to surrender land?

I realize that this is a sensitive issue, but I can see both sides. Problem is, I don't really have a solution. I will say this, though. Speak out against Israel and you're branded an anti-semite. Speak out against Palestine, and you're branded a racial profiler.


User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 13):
I'm surprised Al-Qaeda haven't made a claim that this is the work of Allah, punishing the US for their "sins" in the Middle East!

Yeah!It wasn't done to their murderous way to claim the numbers.
What was God thinking here?



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25 B744F : I'm not speaking out against Israel or Palestine. I wish for both people to live in peace like they did centuries ago. I am just correcting the myth t
26 Post contains images TedTAce : With what facts? Oh an listening to some guy who can't cite a source to save his life on the internet is better?
27 Post contains links B744F : Go ahead, find the facts. Here's my source, one of the many libraries out there http://www.loc.gov/
28 TedTAce : " target=_blank>http://www.loc.gov/ Oh can I have "vague evasive answers" for $1,00 Alex? NAME A BOOK!!!
29 Post contains links B744F : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html 1981 Israel attacks Iraqi nuclear reactor In a surprise raid, Israeli forces dest
30 B744F : Six Days of War : June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East by Michael B. Oren
31 B744F : The Secret War Against the Jews : How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People by John Loftus, Mark Aarons
32 Post contains images LY744 : You guys are hillarious... You do realize this is probably as reliable a "news source" as your average TWA800-conspiracy-theory website. Talk about a
33 Bobster2 : America is experiencing the fundamental law of the universe: Shit happens.
34 TedTAce : Thank you Thank you Thank you... now was it THAT difficult?
35 Post contains images BA : This is a good book about US-Israeli relations:
36 Lt-AWACS : So hero, why did this "God" of yours punish South Asia with the Tsunami? Preach it. Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns, Capt-AWACS, Seven Continents Down, None
37 CasInterest : what a bunch of ludicrus statements. Hurricanes happen, they are a force of nature. Build a city below sea level, put in in an area near hurricane sto
38 RJpieces : BA, don't you think that a book by a congressman who rants and raves about the mythical power of Jews might not be the best source for an objective bo
39 Falcon84 : There are many Jews, many Christians, and many Muslims, who honestly and truely believe they're God's "Chosen people". And because they believe that,
40 Post contains links RJpieces : For an interesting article on Christian Zionism: http://www.jewishmag.com/70mag/pipes/pipes.htm Interesting sections: Middle Easterners were widely pu
41 BA : Empty false accusations just like all other Israeli critics face. Norman G. Finkelstein, a Jewish American is accused of being a "holocaust denier" a
42 RJpieces : Not a bad book indeed, but I don't see how it is relevant to US-Israeli relations. It focuses on Lebanese/Israeli affairs, mainly during the civil war
43 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Instead of giving the incredibly ungrateful nation of Israel another red cent, send it our way so we can recover and rebuild our lives. Signed, The pe
44 Post contains images HAWK21M : Is this Serious regds MEL
45 RJpieces : Best thing this country could ever do is to completely abandon everyone in the middle east. Both sides. Let the dust settle however it may. Let them f
46 OYRJA : This sounds like some rubbish I heard from another user in here which name I don't mention. But he claimed that God punished NO because of Mardi Gras.
47 Post contains links TedTAce : Sounds like this thread: Fred Phelps Says 'Thank God For Katrina' (by Airbuzz Aug 31 2005 in Non Aviation) You know the thing that's funny to me is i
48 ME AVN FAN : nothing needs to be proven. It is self-evident and clear to the whole world
49 LY7E7 : Don't you all think that a stupid religious zealot's conspiracy published on a degenerate site, which is not even Israeli, is worth a discussion?
50 Post contains images Superfly : BA: Thanks for the update. I didn't know Paul Findley wrote another book about this topic. I've read his book; 'They Dare To Speak Out' awhile ago. Pa
51 Post contains images BEYauty : Could not have been said better.
52 Post contains images NWADC9 : My opinion to this: Like others here have said, hurricanes have been around longer than humans have set foot on the United States. That nonsense about
53 B744F : They aren't that important? Really? So how do you plan on rebuilding and cleaning up the destroyed areas? Everyones going to use solar powered machin
54 B744F : Sure if you were to do a study on strawman arguments and twisted history.
55 RJpieces : B744F, sure the US and Israel have disagreed over the years...And yes the US wasn't very supportive of Israel until the late 1960s/early 1970s (meanin
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