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Has Europe Lost Its Grip On Reality?  
User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 680 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Before reading my letter please understand that I am not the stereotypical close minded inbred American that the average European likes to picture we American's as. In fact, I am probably one of the few Americans, or Germans for that matter, to have bought a copy of the German Grundgesetzt simply to better understand German politics. I am working on my degree in Business Administration, posess an Associates in the German Language, and enjoy learning about European history, culture, and current events, Germany's in particular.

Okay, the following is an email I just sent to the Deutscher Bundesregierung. While I admit I allowed personal emotion to get the best of me at a couple points, I feel this email accurately summarizes and conveys many American's feeling towards Europe. My letter does not hide the fact that I am a Bush supporter, but the reality is unlike some people, especially Europeans, I don't really give a crap whether you like Bush or not. However, even if you don't like him I don't understand how any decent human being could not be offended by the remarks of German Environmental Minister Juergen Trittin, delivered as hundreds lay dead and unrecovered, and thousands more lay injured and homeless. For those who don't know, Mr. Trittin basically stated that America deserves Hurricane Katrina, and it is mainly President Bush's fault that the hurricane occured, because the USA did not sign Kyoto Protocol, a measure which at very best keeps world polution levels at their current state, while allowing China and India to pollute almost unchecked, the main reason why the US Congress voted overwhelmingly against it. Okay I am rambling, so here is the email. Please respond with your thoughts, whether you agree or disagree.
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Chancellor Schoeder, Minister Trittin,
It saddens me to learn that as thousands of my fellow Americans lie injured and homeless with hundreds more dead due to Hurricane Katrina, that the Schroeder Administration, in particular Environmental Minister Jürgen Trittin waste no time in thrashing their European Far-Left Socialist Environmental Agenda into our citizens' wounds. Accept this fact or not, Mr. Trittin, but hurricanes have been occurring since the dawn of time, not since George W. Bush came into power. Europe is so apt to blame anything and everything possible on America and in particular President Bush. At this point I honestly question the sanity of your entire continent. Was it not Bavaria which lay in devastating flood waters just 2 years ago? Did America at any point during or after these floods accuse Mr. Schroeder of causing the floods? Of course not. To suggest an 'Act of God' could be harnessed or caused by a human being would be ludicrous, yet it does not keep you from saying the contrary, Mr. Trittin. After the Asian Tsunami the United States responded with one of the highest donation amounts, after Germany and Australia. At any point did you hear Mr. Bush respond "They should have had a warning system. It is their own fault, let them eat cake!"? No, you did not, because Mr. Bush is more genuinely concerned with conflict resolution and disaster relief than any European, self-extolling administration could ever wish to be. Europeans ponder how we Americans could be so closed-closed minded to environmental issues, yet never stop to consider the possibility that we are not closed-minded, simply weary of listening to the spiteful rhetoric which spews like venom from the mouth of the European Viper. Europeans are not viewed fondly in America these days, Mr. Schroeder, Mr. Trittin. What used to be a friendly European ally is showing itself to truly be a spiteful, loathing, coalition of states which will use any available chance to step on the United States of America in order to advance its own self-serving interests of creating a European Super-State. Perhaps the CDS/CSU victory, soon to come, will be what is needed for the extreme left in Germany to understand that it is out of touch with not only with the majority of German citizens, but with America, as well. I pray your cold souls will eventually be warmed to at least feel a slight amount of sadness for the victims of Katrina. Good day.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

I hope you spelled his name right in the real one.  Wink

Harry



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I agree with most of your comments. I love Europe and most of the people which live there. But the remarks made by him were uncalled for.
As I also stated in post before Hurricanes as powerful and more powerful than Katrina have been happening for atleast hundred of millions of years. The Earth is a violent place. The Ice Age is the best example of this. The Earth will have Hurricanes and Floods for as long as this planet exist with or with out human life on it. Atleast wait a while if you really going to say this. And dont say that America deserved it. That is horrible to say America deserved it. A country which would help Germany if it ever had a large problem to deal with.



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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

I agree with most of your letter except in the fact that you generalize all Europeans as being or thinking like the Germans (at least Mr Schroeder and Mr Trittin) do. But I'm glad you wrote them that email. If you ever get a reply, please post it.

Stefano


User currently offlineLAS757300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

According to the US State Department, at least a dozen nations have offered their assistance. Some of them, presumably, are them dreaded Euro-socialist nations.


KMSP
User currently offlineLAS757300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

I'm sure plenty of people blamed the recent European flooding on global warming. As said in the other thread, it's a "German" thing to do.


KMSP
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

It's a very well written letter, and more power to you for taking the time to actually do something about the spiteful and ignorant ramblings of Trittin. My only fault with it; by implying all Europeans act this way, you fall into the same trap and operate at the same level as he did.

But as you say, you were expressing emotion, and I have to admit I wasn't feeling at all charitable when I read his diatribe yesterday.

Let us know what you hear back.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Just to add some information here. The 10 most intense Hurricanes to make landfall in the United States. Notice the dates. Also they could not record much data before the mid 1880s.
1. Great Labor Day Hurricane Florida Keys 1935
2. Hurricane Camille 1969 Louisiana and Mississippi
3. Hurricane Andrew 1992. Southeast Florida.
4. 1919 Hurricane Florida and Texas.
5. Great Okeechobee Hurricane 1926 South Florida.
6. Hurricane Donna 1960 Whole Eastern US Coast.
7. Galvelston Hurricane 1900 Killed 8,000-12,000
8. Gran Isle Hurricane 1909 Louisiana
9. Louisiana 1915. New Orleans was hit and flooded.
10. Hurricane Carla 1961 Texas.
Currents change, weather changes, temperatures change, storm activity changes.



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User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 680 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Hey everyone,

Thanks alot so far for your responses!

Glad to see I am not alone

Regards



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Thread starter):
Perhaps the CDS/CSU victory, soon to come, will be what is needed for the extreme left in Germany to understand that it is out of touch with not only with the majority of German citizens, but with America, as well.

I won't disrespect the American people like my idiot predecessors did.

Signed,
Angela Merkel, neues Deutsche Kanzlerin, eff. 19/09/05

Great letter...though I doubt you'll get a reply.

Apart from Tony Blair, and *maybe* the Italians, don't look for the Europeans to shed a tear over us. Schroeder doesn't give a shit, and Chirac certainly doesn't. Ironically, both of those fools are in deep shit politically at home, and their days are numbered.

Forget Europe. Don't waste your time or money there. Instead, visit the Red Cross website and please donate. I gave $150 tonight myself.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Not only did none of these countries offer any support or Aid for Katrina, but now they are blaming Bush for it.... pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, I am all up for bashing Bush, and in most cases he is wrong and corrupt as well as daft, but this is a stretch.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Ok I think I will have to point our your problem. Just because the Germans think this way does not mean the rest of europe and the governments thing this way. I mean, for bloodys sake, the mentality of a German and a Polak is about as far as an American and a person from Bhutan  Silly

User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 680 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Yes,

I understand opinions widely vary among European people, and I apologize for generalising. However, I am directing my scrutiny at European governments, IN PARTICULAR, that of Germany. That's all. I knoe many Europeans who are delightful people, I have no animosity towards them

Ted



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 11):
Just because the Germans think this way does not mean the rest of europe and the governments thing this way

Yet, not one of them has stood up and offered any help at all.

J


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Thread starter):
that I am not the stereotypical close minded inbred American that the average European likes to picture we American's as. In fact, I am probably one of the few Americans, or Germans for that matter, to have bought a copy of the German Grundgesetzt simply to better understand German politics.

Good to know, but why didn't you switch on your brain to full power before writing that email? Or get the whole story beforehand? Would have been good for you, good for us, and maybe there would now be one let's-bash-the- Europeans-one-more-time-thread less on this Forum.

Now here's the comments:

... in particular Environmental Minister Jürgen Trittin waste no time in thrashing their European Far-Left Socialist Environmental Agenda into our citizens' wounds...

Crap:
1. What does the discussion of global warming have to do with far-left?? You've disqualified yourself in the very first sentence!

2. Did you ever actually READ what Trittin said? No! Because if so, you'd know he talked about the situation of storms getting worse and global warming, he said it before and he'll repeat saying it in the future, no matter where it happens. In this case he was (as usual) stupid enough to bring GWB into context, but since 97% of all Germans firmly believe that Trittin is one of the most appalling assholes currently living in this country, so where's your point anyway??



...Europe is so apt to blame anything and everything possible on America and in particular President Bush. At this point I honestly question the sanity of your entire continent...

Your final act of disqualifying yourself...what a nonsense!! You sound just like Matt D ranting and raving like a lunatic in this other disgusting thread. How can I seriously talk to you when you do nothing but spewing forward hate and prejudice...I don't like my own government but I seriously doubt they'll take the time to answer to this rave!

...Was it not Bavaria which lay in devastating flood waters just 2 years ago?...

Actually it was a bit more than Bavaria and to quote from the other disgusting thread: Did America offer help? No! Because they know we didn't need it, just like the US of A right now: Your experts know damn well how to handle a situation as bad as this one..and no European country offered help???? Oh, do you know that for sure...would you bet on it?? I wouldn't bet a single cent on the USA NOT offering help on professional level, but since it was not needed, why make a public buzz?


...Did America at any point during or after these floods accuse Mr. Schroeder of causing the floods? Of course not. To suggest an 'Act of God' could be harnessed or caused by a human being would be ludicrous, yet it does not keep you from saying the contrary, Mr. Trittin...

Again, your tone is appalling: One asshole blubbers crap, and subsequently our whole continent has gone insane, right? Except the English and the Italians of course, because they were on your side in the Iraq war...excellent argueing, really brilliant, perfectly logical!

What do you actually expect them to answer to this?????????

...Mr. Bush is more genuinely concerned with conflict resolution and disaster relief than any European, self-extolling administration could ever wish to be...

Stop listening to Fox news, then come back again, that's all I have to say to this!

...listening to the spiteful rhetoric which spews like venom from the mouth of the European Viper. Europeans are not viewed fondly in America these days, Mr. Schroeder, Mr. Trittin...

the European viper ...ROFLMFAO!!!! That's absolutely great, even asshole Trittin will have a good laugh!!!


...What used to be a friendly European ally is showing itself to truly be a spiteful, loathing, coalition of states which will use any available chance to step on the United States of America in order to advance its own self-serving interests of creating a European Super-State...

Yes sure, reading serious sources does help sometimes, but who needs that when Fox delivers it in short easy to understand sentences, right? You're a student.....?  Yeah sure

...Perhaps the CDS/CSU victory, soon to come, will be what is needed for the extreme left in Germany to understand that it is out of touch with not only with the majority of German citizens, but with America, as well. I pray your cold souls will eventually be warmed to at least feel a slight amount of sadness for the victims of Katrina. Good day...

Yes, and it makes ME feel cold that a few years from now, YOU could be considered an "expert on Germany", talking on Fox News about us.

Does anyone actually wonder WHY transatlantic relationships have come down so much?? Because there's people like YOU in the USA and assholes like Trittin on this side of the Atlantic!!! Very sad!

Have a nice day studying Germany from 5,000 miles away using nothing but Fox News, Mr. Vanguard!



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Artsyman, if you have to blame anyone, blame George Bush Sr, he refused to sign the Kyoto-protocol...

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 15):
Artsyman, if you have to blame anyone, blame George Bush Sr, he refused to sign the Kyoto-protocol...

and round and round we go....

How exactly you manage to blame either Bush for these is beyond me. If you look at the list of hurricanes, almost all the big ones were 50 years before either Bush.

God knows, I spend a lot of time trying to blame them for everything and in most cases succeed, but this one does not fly.

j


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

I don´t agree, the previous top-10 (I refer to the most powerful, not lives lost or property damaged) was 3 of 10 during the 1960ies, 1 of 10 during the 1990ies. George Bush Snr was very active in politics during that period...

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

I think GW Bush should go ahead and sign the damned Kyoto document. It would never get ratified by Congress anyway, and would give the Environuts something less to bitch about. But of course, they will find a way to twist it...

Charles


User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 680 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Andreas

The hatred which I speak of is ever so evident in your tactless, immature ranting. All I can say is thank you for serving to strengthen my points!

I love especially how you invented things I did not say, and then counter-debated them, as if I had even said them! For example:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 14):
Again, your tone is appalling: One asshole blubbers crap, and subsequently our whole continent has gone insane, right? Except the English and the Italians of course, because they were on your side in the Iraq war...excellent argueing, really brilliant, perfectly logical!

EXCUSE ME!!?? Find one place in my post where I mentioned England or Italy!
Second, your continent has gone crazy not simply because of the hurricane, but because you blame most anything either on Bush, America, or Global Warming, it adds up after a while! And as I already clarified, when I say 'your continent', i am referring to the European media, and majority of Europe's leaders.

And my personal favorite:

Have a nice day studying Germany from 5,000 miles away using nothing but Fox News, Mr. Vanguard!


Way to assume, buddy! I guess a six monnth internship with Lufthansa in Frankfurt a.M. doesn't count? Nor does studying the German language, literature, history, or current event for the past six years? Nor does being a member of my school International Friendship Club in which I work with GERMAN foreign exchange students?

YES, and I am the asshole, Andreas.
Schoenen Tag

[Edited 2005-09-01 08:38:23]

[Edited 2005-09-01 08:41:07]


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 19):
The hatred which I speak of is ever so evident in your tactless, immature ranting. All I can say is thank you for serving to strengthen my points!

We always try to please. YOU talking about hate of others...well, ok, I guess it's completely to talk to you anyway, you're caught in your little world of good and bad, black and white, USA and Germany and that's it. Fine, I've met enough people of your type, on both sides of the Atlantic, who indulge in verbal diarrhea...there's nothing to stop it, just let it out, and that's it!

btw: Look up the word "tact" in a dictionary...it's got nothing to do with music in this context  Wink

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 19):
Second, your continent has gone crazy not simply because of the hurricane, but because you blame most anything either on Bush, America, or Global Warming, it adds up after a while! And as I already clarified, when I say 'your continent', i am referring to the European media, and majority of Europe's leaders.

Ah you clarified...and that happened exactly...where? Well it doesn't matter anyway, since you chose to see us that way, there's just no need to talk to you anymore about it!

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 19):
EXCUSE ME!!?? Find one place in my post where I mentioned England or Italy!

Ah yes, the concept of irony (again: Dictionary, you use a lot words you do not comprehend!) is totally unknown to you! Ok...so what...


and then the BIG FINAL...yes, I knew something like that will come, it had to, it just had to, I've read this so often on this forum, buddy, it's like "I don't want to start A vs. B":

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 19):
Way to assume, buddy! I guess a six monnth internship with Lufthansa in Frankfurt a.M. doesn't count? Nor does studying the German language, literature, history, or current event for the past six years? Nor does being a member of my school International Friendship Club in which I work with GERMAN foreign exchange students?

No it does NOT count if that is what you took with you! You're trying to tell me you've learned about Germany for 6 years and this disgusting lunacy is ALL you come up with??? Insults to a whole continent because ONE asshole blubbers nonsense? WOW!! I'm deeply impressed, really. So we've gone insane, we dream about superstates (which btw is rather funny coming from a citizen of the UNITED STATES of America) and are basically a viper: ROFLMFAO! Really great post, well reflected, brilliantly crafted... Lufthansa, right??? Big grin Big grin Big grin

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 19):
YES, and I am the asshole, Andreas.

Actually it was Mr Trittin I had in mind when I used the word asshole (several times, I even called him that once practically face to face, in Berlin, near Brandenburg Gate, I stood there with a colleague as he walked along with his political entourage, my friend said "look, there's Trittin", he looked around to see who said his name and in this very moment I said to my friend -and not exactly in a low voice- "oh, that bloody asshole"...he looked rather irritated, but I guess he's used to being called asshole).

Now if that's the way you see yourself...I guess I'm not in a position to argue, after all I'm an insane German weasel, right!  Wink

Well, I'm quite relaxed again, just had to get it out of my system...you really should join that other thread, there are people who will love an adore you for such a post!  Smile

Have a nice day!



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User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Thread starter):
At this point I honestly question the sanity of your entire continent.

Gee, thanks. One German politician opens his mouth, and "BAM" the entire continent is insane? Shall I keep a note of this thread just in case there are any "don't-judge-the-dog-by-its-fleas, don't-judge-all-americans-by-the-action-of-one" threads...? Nah. Why? Becuase it's fu**ing pointless, so is this post.



Read between the lines.
User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 21):
Gee, thanks. One German politician opens his mouth, and "BAM" the entire continent is insane? Shall I keep a note of this thread just in case there are any "don't-judge-the-dog-by-its-fleas, don't-judge-all-americans-by-the-action-of-one" threads...? Nah. Why? Becuase it's fu**ing pointless, so is this post.

Of course. Didn't you know that Twisted. Some americans still think that Europe is a Country. And what 1 politician says is what the rest of us thinks as well. And I can only laugh at them Big grin


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 22):
Some americans still think that Europe is a Country. And what 1 politician says is what the rest of us thinks as well. And I can only laugh at them

Don't laugh, my friend!!! He spent 6 months at Lufthansa in Frankfurt (the only city in Germany where you don't have to know the German language to get along just fine), so he just HAS TO KNOW!!  Wink


btw: Did you see Jon Dahl score vs. Bremen...what a frigging great goal!!!!!



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 23):
btw: Did you see Jon Dahl score vs. Bremen...what a frigging great goal!!!!!

Yeah I saw the game. it was a pretty cool game actually. I saw it with some friends. It was awesome to see so many danes in action at the same time against eachother. Big grin


25 Post contains links Andreas : oh and Vanguard, just to give you a good feeling that you're not alone in your lunacy: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372434,00.
26 Post contains images ZakHH : My goodness, you are really clueless, aren't you? If I was judging the USA for their media and politic leaders... well, perhaps let's better not foll
27 ManxATP : I think whilst Americans are weary of what they perceive to be anti-US rhetoric from European politicians (sometimes quite rightly) this sometimes obs
28 Andreas : NO!! Time for diplomatic babbling is over...he launched his ridiculous attack full steam ahead, so there's just no reason to defend in a diplomatic w
29 Post contains images Gkirk : You should try and tell those in the EU that Europe isn't a country Heil zich, just this time the Germans are trying to takeover Europe in a peaceful
30 Post contains images Andreas : Don't worry farmboy, we'll give Scotland to the Americans, for free...should they want it (which I doubt very much)
31 OYRJA : Europe isn't a damn Country. It will never be in my eyes. I will consider myself as living in Europe. I will never see my self as a citizen of The Un
32 Post contains images Aloges : Wow, a Germany bashing thread! Cool, and I thought the bashing had already been bad enough! Goooood to know you know what I think. Can you also tell m
33 Post contains images Gkirk : It's better than the usual Bush bashing threads that you Germans like taking a part in
34 Post contains images OYRJA : Lets start an official Bash Germany Thread and Bash France thread. Those could be really popular these days
35 Post contains images Andreas : Completely useless...as long as there is our Scottish master-thread-hijacking farmboy Kirkie around...subsequently ALL threads end up being Kirkie-ba
36 Post contains images Gkirk : That's because Denmark is just a small area of Germany isn't it?
37 Post contains images OYRJA : It's the other way around Kirkie. Germany is like a suburb to Denmark. Just like England is a suburb to Scotland.[Edited 2005-09-01 11:28:20]
38 Andreas : Maybe we SHOULD start a combined Dane-Scot farmboy-bashing thread...
39 Post contains images Aloges : Sheep-baaaah! Hey at least I don't call GWB an idiot (anymore). There are more subtle ways.
40 StealthZ : I haven't seen Trittin's comments except what is reported here but if this is accurate he is more of a waste of space than I had thought.. On Kyoto, i
41 Stratofish : Could you elaborate this more clearly, please. We are in no different situation, economywise. And what is "extravagant" in terms of that we are conce
42 Toulouse : Wonderful contirubution! Really useful and a great insight. Thanks! As Stratofish says, can you enlighten us? Now Vanguard737. I fully understand you
43 Racko : Actually, I also think that Trittin's remarks are a shame and an embarrasment for Germany. Trittin is probably one of the worst ministers we ever had,
44 L410Turbolet : Especially the recent floods in Romania (btw, there were severe floods already in May) went basically unnoticed by the media and certainly were much
45 ZakHH : It's rather sad to see how some of our American fellows mix it all up into 1 big pot of point-of-view-stew, without regarding the somewhat more comple
46 Post contains links ZakHH : PS: Red Cross Germany ( http://www.rotes-kreuz.de/ ) has now started asking for donations to support relief organizations helping Katrina victims. So
47 Stall : What a brilliant comment. I haven't met someone in Europe who was not sad to what happened in US last days. Nobody is happy about it. By the way are
48 Toulouse : So sad yet so true. Just goes to show you what the world is like...
49 OYRJA : You know what Steven. I really do feel sorry for you. It must suck to live in a small paranoid world you live in.
50 StealthZ : I thought the almost global ignorance of how Kyoto is structured would require this. Kyoto places almost all measurement of greenhouse gases etc on t
51 NoUFO : I have already stated my opinion on Mr Trittins remark, which I called "unnecessary, uncalled for and absolutely insensible". But your letter, Vanguar
52 Andreas : Norbert, I told him all that already...but he just saw that as proof for his totally twisted view on the world. Useless! He wants to spread his hatefu
53 Iakobos : The opinion expressed by Vanguard is evidence that his government, led by oil industrialists (essential factor), has succeeded in creating in a signif
54 NoUFO : True, but it does anger me and I did not expect a comment like "forget Europe" from StevenUhl.
55 Andreas : That is true! I was pretty disappointed, too, since in the past he kept asking intelligent questions about Germany quite a few people were happy to a
56 Post contains links NoUFO : In the meantime, Spiegel has opened a forum in which readers can debatte "whether or not Germany should provide help - and if yes:how". http://forum.s
57 BHMBAGLOCK : We just want the sheep. Baaaaa! Not really with 36 hrs. Remember that NO has almost exactly the same land area as NYC. If you take as an example, a 5
58 Sebolino : As the US refuse to see the reality which is that we are destroying the climate by burning so much oil, or most probably they see it but don't give a
59 Post contains images Andreas : Yes I understand that...who wants Scots anyway....or rather who needs...??
60 ZakHH : BHMBAGLOCK, thanks a lot for your reply. Watching the media coverage, I just got to feel that the situation is met with a certain helplessness. 1 day
61 Cfalk : It is only criminal if there is a chance to stop it. Can you name a single credible scientist who claims that global warming, or the impending ice ag
62 Airbuzz : Andreas, please don't mix the phrases "the Italians were on your side in the Iraq war" and "the Italian Government were on your side in the Iraq war"
63 Post contains images Andreas : Airbuzz, I know that! I found the whole statement ludicrous!!
64 Mham001 : Don't have time to go through all of this but the above statement is factually incorrect. It was actually the Clinton administration who originally b
65 Post contains links and images Keesje : Europe to send oil aid to U.S. PARIS (Reuters) - Europe will dip into its emergency reserves of gasoline to help the United States through an energy c
66 MartinairYYZ : Oh dear, and this coming from an American? *sigh* To quote the best one I've read in this thread, As the US refuse to see the reality which is that w
67 Alessandro : 001, it was Bush Snr that said "The American lifestyle is not negotiable" in Rio. All lifestyles are negotiable in my book, you can´t afford it (soon
68 ME AVN FAN : Mr Trittin, as far as I know, is a GreenParty man. And in contrast to Foreign Minister Fischer who just is "mildly green" and usually rather in favou
69 ME AVN FAN : I live in Europe and read German-, English- and French-language media, and read about "European leaders". That they blame Bush in particular, the USA
70 ME AVN FAN : if of course exists. But there were a variety of factors which contributed to the extent of the disaster. I hope, the US-Americans will NOT try to fi
71 ME AVN FAN : why ? NO NO NO ! never ! always keep the Scottish Whisky in mind ! well, a Scotland-bashing-thread has not yet been started ! � I know somebody
72 Post contains links and images Klaus : I can't know about "inbred", but other than that you're unfortunately reinforcing almost every stereotype in existence about americans - notably the
73 VANGUARD737 : KLAUS I find it very ironic that after that toungue lashing you threw at me, you can dare say, as it does in your profile, that you respect EVERYBODY.
74 Post contains images Klaus : Did you misread that as meaning I´d buy every bridge or island offered to me? No, sorry. Yeah, those germans who actually read an article before spe
75 Post contains images NoUFO : Have you met him personally? Poor you.
76 Post contains images Klaus : Careful! You yourself might unwittingly have met me and survived the experience...! You never know!
77 Lijnden : Hi Klaus, I see you are still defending the failed green-red coalition government in Germany by trying to make a wrong into a right. (yes, RIGHT...) D
78 Post contains images NoUFO : If we are suffering from an identity crisis, we are doing so since 1948. I do not feel like suffering, though. And what's a "political isoloment" if I
79 ME AVN FAN : you possibly are NOT aware of the point that the Germans, as far as I can see it, in a way ENJOY that "identity crisis", or more bluntly, they have n
80 NoUFO : Not to forget Israel. It's obvious that relationship between both countries are extremely fragile, but they are currently very good, albeit not "norma
81 ME AVN FAN : "not normal" is a nice expression, while "pecularily special" might be more appropriate. What I however resent is the fact that Arabs had to pay the
82 Sebolino : Cfalk, I would say that you are "à coté de la plaque". The problem is not the climate, but the change of it. In 100 years we have released a quanti
83 Cfalk : I disagree. The problem is not the change, but rather the human race's reluctant ability to adapt to the change. The Earth has gone through far more
84 Mham001 : it's quite interesting that all of the above statements were made by (I believe) Europeans and every one of them is disputed by scientists who know b
85 Sebolino : We agree on that.
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