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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1,4668445.story?coll=chi-news-hed

chicago Tribune article, apparently president bush has overflown the new orleans devesation on Air Force One to view the city. The article says Air Force One flew low (1700 feet!!!) over the Missisppi River. Can you imagine what it would be like to see AF1 (i imagine he's in the 757 since this was pretty much a domestic flight?) flying that low...i would imagine the secret service had a fit as well since theres no way they were able to get people on the ground in anticipation of it for security, so i wonder how that all was able to work...

quite interesting.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/..._go_pr_wh/katrina_washington_hk3_1

M


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
(i imagine he's in the 757 since this was pretty much a domestic flight?)

Doubtful, the 757 is typically only used in places where STOL becomes an issue. Why worry about fuel, he's not paying.  Wink


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

It was a 747, just saw it on FOX News Channel.

M


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

And what does this flight help New Orleans?

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

Huh?  Confused

Anyone get a shot of AF1? 1,700 ft! That sounds like a kodak moment.

Regards.


User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
i would imagine the secret service had a fit as well since theres no way they were able to get people on the ground in anticipation of it for security

Yeah, there's no way he or any other high ranking government official would be anywhere near the hard hit areas right now. It's hard enough getting the National Guard into some areas, much less Secret Service protection. The flight was probably the best option - plus, it was sort of on the way back to Washington anyhow.


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

Awesome? Ask yourself this...what is causing him to fly over N.O.? Is that awesome?! I sincerely would not say so! And I'm almost positive no one wants to be there in the aftermath of such devastation!

Anthony

EDIT: Aa777jr, I'm sure nobody got a shot, as I bet not many people had a camera with them at the time.

[Edited 2005-09-01 00:16:30]

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

It is what every politician does. Just suppose for a minute that no politician, mayor, governor, president cared what it looked like. Do you think that would be better?

M


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

you think its awesome that the president flew over N.O. to see what people have lost forever? Do you think its awesome that no one has a home to come back to or a nice warm bed to sleep in?

Do you think its awesome that people died?

If you think that that's awesome your sick.



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User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

"That was a powerful image to us because we've been out of communication, unaware really of what's happening in the outside world. This was a sign that you've heard, that you've heard and listened" from cnn reporter

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/scene.blog/index.html

Looks like it had a positive impact.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Undoubtedly, some people waiting to be rescued would have recognized Air Force One from 1700-2500 ft. Since FEMA and other government officials have restricted disaster zone entry to trained personnel, Bush had no other way to "tour."

I'm glad he flew over.



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 7):
Awesome? Ask yourself this...what is causing him to fly over N.O.? Is that awesome?! I sincerely would not say so! And I'm almost positive no one wants to be there in the aftermath of such devastation!



Quoting LFutia (Reply 9):
you think its awesome that the president flew over N.O. to see what people have lost forever? Do you think its awesome that no one has a home to come back to or a nice warm bed to sleep in?

Do you think its awesome that people died?

If you think that that's awesome your sick

The plane flying over. It is awesome.

You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

This is my last post on how you idiots responded to what I said.

M


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

settle kiddo's.

Bush flying over the area was a good thing, especially for the people who were able to see Air Force One. AF1 is a symbol and to see that basically is like seeing the president. it means to a lot of the people on the ground that people are concerned about them (most of these folks have no way of watching all the tv coverage that many of us have taken for granted) so it is nice to see the most important plane in the United States flying over their area.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

I've already donated $40 to the Red Cross... what have you done?



Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
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wonder what the altitude of the CAP flight(s) were

User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
wonder what the altitude of the CAP flight(s) were

I am sure af-1 has a fish finder.


User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

And what help do those St Bernards do high in the Swiss alpine pass with those fake kegs hanging around their necks?


User currently offlineZamaria From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

I don't understand the point of overflying the affected areas in the B747. If the point was to view the devastation from above, why not use a helicopter, a blimp, or a hot air balloon? Ok, kidding about the blimp and the balloon, but I would think Marine One would've served this purpose much better.

-Z


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Marine One was probably in the greater DC area. Isn't that an awfully long way to fly a chopper?

User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting Zamaria (Reply 18):
I don't understand the point of overflying the affected areas in the B747. If the point was to view the devastation from above, why not use a helicopter, a blimp, or a hot air balloon? Ok, kidding about the blimp and the balloon, but I would think Marine One would've served this purpose much better.

The President was flying from Crawford, TX to Andrews Air Force Base.

Why travel over halfway across the country in a helicopter when the 747 was going to make the trip anyway?


User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

I find it much less offensive for the President to fly over versus his predecessor who always had to mingle with the people so he could have another photo op. Those efforts always took people away from helping people so they could help guard and impress the President.

He was on his way back from Texas anyway. I applaud the action as a good way to get the press on board without screwing up things on the ground.

Mike


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
The plane flying over. It is awesome.

You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

This is my last post on how you idiots responded to what I said.

M

What!? Idiots!? For just responding my thoughts to one of you're posts! You're acting completely absurd! You've just misunderstood me...I wasn't trying to argue, or anything! I admit, maybe those exclamation marks were unnecessary, but still! I was just making a point, as I thought it sounded stupid to say "Awesome" in such recent events.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

I'm only 14! I don't have a checkbook, nor do I have a boat. I admit, I could donate blood, and do other things, but this is completely not the point! I don't see anywhere, where I called myself a good samaritan, and I don't see anywhere where I try to imply it.

Locally, I'm a good samaritan to those who need it. Nationally and Internationally, no I'm not, I'll admit.

Check my profile, re-read what I said, do whatever you need before calling people idiots!

Anthony


User currently offlineCO767FA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
Bush flying over the area was a good thing, especially for the people who were able to see Air Force One. AF1 is a symbol and to see that basically is like seeing the president. it means to a lot of the people on the ground that people are concerned about them (most of these folks have no way of watching all the tv coverage that many of us have taken for granted) so it is nice to see the most important plane in the United States flying over their area.

What a line of BS....  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

ChiGB1973 -- im still waiting to hear what you've done... ive done my part... i donated... if i had more cash i'd donate but i dont so 40 was the best i could do.

and btw.. i dont see why you had to drag Blackhawk144 into your reply... maybe you need to re-think your comments.

[Edited 2005-09-01 02:40:00]


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25 Positiverate : Hmmm, think about that for a second. Do you think the refugees sitting on I-10 puilled out their digital cameras and shot it? On a different note, I
26 Post contains images AC787 : Ya cause bush doesnt usually go for those photo ops when he can... give me a break dude. And I suppose all the photo ops bush took after 9/11 in new
27 ATLFlyer323 : Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13): What a line of BS.... Yeah sure I don't think that's bs, if I was in their situation it would bring a little more se
28 Flyabunch : Actually, I would best be described as an independent. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I do not agree with the President on everything.
29 Luv2fly : Yeah they just lost thier houses and lives as they knew it and you want them to snap a picture.
30 Centrair : This is what presidents do. When there is devistation they show up. They look at the situation, meet with FEMA, meet with local leaders and make decis
31 Blackhawk144 : Just drop it...no good ever comes from arguing. Anthony
32 Sebring : If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in
33 Dagolden1 : I wonder if he even bothered to look out the windows?
34 Okie : Bush stated that he did not want to interfere with rescue and recovery efforts before hand. Establishing a no fly zone so he could tour the area would
35 Post contains links Positiverate : http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...54_450x342_us_weather_katrina_bush That answers that question.
36 Positiverate : Post your sources please. Otherwise quit stirring the pot...
37 Hawk44 : What the hell are you talking about? They had the engineers who built the levees after Betsy on tv saying at the time they thought building for a cat
38 FLY2LIM : Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bush ALWAYS fly AF1? The leader of your nation cuts short his vacation to fly home to Washington and, on the way
39 LFutia : yes but still... he needs to think before he posts...
40 Garnetpalmetto : I think you're getting the callsign confused with an aircraft type. The "747s" that sometimes serve as Air Force One are VC-25s. Air Force One is any
41 Post contains links Sebring : Here's your source! http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
42 Planespotting : actually, not BS. thats how most americans view the president and air force one. I am as left wing liberal as they come and in no way am a believer i
43 BostonGuy : That was pretty ignorant. Bush can't impose spending on upgrades as you suggest. The state must request and buy-into the program. Louisiana didn't. N
44 Flyabunch : A German newspaper publishing an article written by a former Clinton advisor. I really have a problem taking this one seriously. Newspapers in general
45 Post contains links Revelation : I'm wondering how slow he was going at 1700 feet. I was reading this link and it seems to say that the 747 is going 170 kts once established on final
46 RAMPRAT980 : Are the liberals going to accuse Bush of invading New Orleans ? Will we see Cindy Sheehan swim across lake ponchatrain or will she walk on water prete
47 Pwm2txlhopper : Dont let them get to you. Its just emotion, not rationality. And by the way, the last time I check the defintion of Awesome was... So I think you cho
48 Post contains links Centrair : I believe we already made our comments thank you very much. I believe this thread is done. We all agree that it is in the best interest of the nation
49 FLY2LIM : Thanks, my question was pretty silly, after I think about it. It's like saying "does a pilot always fly a plane with wings?" or something silly like
50 Post contains images PennPal : I feel our President did the right thing by returning to Washington early and passing over New Orleans to asses the damage to that area. I just HOPE A
51 Post contains images Aa777jr : I was referring to spotters. A homesless person could have taken the picture, put it on a t-shirt, sold it to nuts like you on this site, and made a
52 Thucydides : Centrair - While I probably disagree with your politics, I appreciate your post, but I must politely ask how has he made your "life" harder? If you a
53 MIAMIx707 : Dumbest post on this thread so far. Definitely takes the cake. The two teens who attacked someone for saying AF 1 flying over was awesome is close se
54 Itsjustme : This is what presidents do. Only thing is, other presidents would have cut their month long vacation short. I guess W had to get in a couple more laps
55 Falcon84 : Well, since what you said wasn't exactly awesome, you had it coming to you. There's nothing "awesome" about AF1 having to fly over a stricken city. I
56 Boeing757/767 : Maybe Bush wanted to see where all the resources were to help. Oh, wait! Most every Guard and Reserve unit is in Iraq! He forgot!
57 ANCFlyer : Oh, Wait! Another post borne out of ignorance!!! Only about 45% of the Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana National Guard have been deployed to Iraq .
58 Roger136913 : Well said Falcon
59 Boeing757/767 : ANCFlyer -- I know the numbers. Just ribbin' the guy. Geez. I am pointing out a valid political pitfall for W.
60 Post contains images Stall : The president is overflying NO and people are critizising for doing it. If he hadn't done it people would criticizes him none the less. Just for infor
61 Post contains images ANCFlyer : OK, I'm good with that - the more ribbing you can give Falcon the better . Of course, I suppose everyone knows that Florida and Texas and Arkansas an
62 Planespotting : "only about 45%"...haha don't you think the national guard would be better used in their home states by their home governors than half a world away f
63 Luv2fly : Homeless person printing up t-shirts for sale, what is wrong with this picture! Do you ever think before you open up that pie hole you call a mouth!!
64 Post contains images Pilot kaz : I think you shut him up I hear that AF2 (the 757) Was at my home airport (LTN) during all of this.. Why it was there I dont know..
65 11Bravo : I just don’t think you can say that with such certainty. In the last two years, there have been several Governors, on both sides of the aisle, who
66 DL021 : Have active duty army troops been requested? The Navy is sending ships, and the Army and Air Force have already sent aircraft. The Army can't send tro
67 Falcon84 : 1500 Ohio Gurardsmen have been mobilized by Gov Taft in Ohio, and are headed to the Gulf Coast. Look, we all know that a lot of the Guard is in Iraq
68 11Bravo : That's not true; FEMA is the lead agency and has authority to conduct any operations other than law enforcement. FEMA has deployed four Type I Nation
69 ANCFlyer : Actually incorrect. As of 0400 hours this morning, Alaska Time, the USS Bataan was 68 miles off shore had reported they had flown mission yesterday w
70 Post contains images DL021 : Well said. I believe that the local officials are the ones responsible for asking for the help, up to the governor. FEMAs authority does not superced
71 Post contains images FlyAUA : Booo... that's boring! For a moment I thought the thread title was referring to Nieder Oesterreich
72 Post contains links 11Bravo : Believe what you like Ian, but you're just wrong. This disaster response effort is being administered through the National Incident Command System (I
73 DL021 : I'm watching LTG Honore (a cajun, funny enough) and the FEMA guy who are having a press conference right now and they are talking about how they are m
74 11Bravo : Hey, I was just passing on what the PIO said. There is footage now of some USN SH-60s as well as some UH-60s that are apparently from Ft. Hood. Good
75 Usnseallt82 : Right on...and if it were a Navy aircraft, Navy One, or USMC, Marine One, or Army(don't know if it would happen), Army One.
76 Post contains images DL021 : ANd that was your first mistake....believing the REMFs.... The GUard UH-60s have been there since Tue evening, and more have come in since then. We n
77 ACdreamliner : Very well said. As i have said many times on here, im a republican and not ashamed to admit it. Well played Mr Bush.
78 NWADC9 : So President Bush can survey the damage and get an idea of what to do. You fool, he DID cut it short!
79 Blackhawk144 : Ok, I apologize may post was a little irrational, but like some of you have said, I've been quite emotional over this. Sorry if it did seem harsh, but
80 11Bravo : ...and you would be correct. That protocol was set up long before this hurricane. As I said before, ALL of the states participate in this system. Nob
81 Post contains links Cfalk : 24 hours before the storm hit, Bush called up Governor Blanco and urged her to evacuate New Orleans, a suggestion she thankfully obeyed, saving many
82 Post contains images DL021 : Oh, I see what you're saying..you're thinking I'm one of the conspiracy nuts...nah..... nothing like that here. I think that the feds are better equip
83 LFutia : anyways... nope. i wont shut up. have you donated anything?
84 Post contains images 11Bravo : He is clearly in over his head. You're right about that of course. Enough said,...well at least for now.
85 LFutia : i'd like to apologise for my comments in this thread. i went too far over my head and i have taken some words on here a little bit too serious. I don'
86 DL021 : Lfutia....well done. More of this attitude would make conversations much more productive. DL021
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