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Why The Hell Are People Shooting At The LANG?  
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

CNN reports that they're shooting at Guard troops evacuating hospitals. Why the hell would anyone do this? It makes no sense!


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
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User currently offlineFlydubai From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting LHMark (Thread starter):
Why the hell would anyone do this?

To cause more disruption.

flyDUBAI


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6854 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Only thing I could say/repeat is along the lines of "Well what to expect in a gun-crazy country with a lot of uneducated poor people?" but no one would care anyway...

Really inappropriate under the circumstances.

Major difference between a lawless rioting lower class engaging in total anarchy and a civilized society that uses firearms to protect itself.

Gnaw on this- if more people WERE armed, the criminal bastards and organized looting gangs wouldn't be so brazen.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Well, I hope the troops return fire and wipe out the B*stards   

Where's ANCFlyer when you need him??


Lee

[Edited 2005-09-01 22:26:43]


Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5151 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Maybe a few days without food, water and shelter drove them insane. There are other possibilities besides them being assholes.

Not saying they arent assholes...but who knows?



Next Up: STL-EWR-STL for my first mileage run!
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

I've been thinking about it. There is always the possibility that people are desperate and panicking and the shooting is to attract attention so that someone comes to them.

I don't doubt that there are a few assholes there who are shooting because they can, and there are undoubtedly those gangs who are taking boats from rescuers and shooting at cops.....probably people who planned out their looting for the post hurricane opportunity....but I'll bet there is some number of people who are basically desperate and panicked and making noise to be rescued next.

Think about that old adage "fire three shots to let the ranger know where to find you" for lost hunters and outdoorsmen.

Just a thought in conjunction with the idea that some of the looters are taking food to live on instead of tv's they'll never get to use.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 3):
Gnaw on this- if more people WERE armed, the criminal bastards and organized looting gangs wouldn't be so brazen.

How about if no one did have a gun, then there would be no one shooting!



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
To get some target practice?

Only thing I could say/repeat is along the lines of "Well what to expect in a gun-crazy country with a lot of uneducated poor people?" but no one would care anyway...

Unbelievably immature in a time like this. Suggested deletion.

Quoting Slider (Reply 3):
Gnaw on this- if more people WERE armed, the criminal bastards and organized looting gangs wouldn't be so brazen.

I'm actually going in this weekend, since the Navy has given us a 4-day weekend for Labor Day, with several others to help restore some law. Its unreal right now, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that if I run into any of these fu*kers doing this, there will be hell to pay.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 2):

Really inappropriate under the circumstances.

Oh and FEEMA IGNORING the needs of the people of NO is 'appropriate?? You spend 4 days in a stinking hole with 1,000's of other people, nothing to do/eat/drink and nowhere to shit/piss. I think you'd be a bit aggrivated too. FEMA and N.O. SCREWED THE POOCH....PERIOD. That stadium will take years to re-hab, and that's just the shit and piss smell.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
Maybe a few days without food, water and shelter drove them insane.

Nahh.. impossible

Signed,

The right wing puppets who think W is doing a GREAT job!!


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):
I think you'd be a bit aggrivated too.

Good enough reason to start sniping others in the same situation, most of them being far worse off than those doing the shooting? I'm very sorry that you think this.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 995 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):
Quoting Slider (Reply 2):

Really inappropriate under the circumstances.

Oh and FEEMA IGNORING the needs of the people of NO is 'appropriate?? You spend 4 days in a stinking hole with 1,000's of other people, nothing to do/eat/drink and nowhere to shit/piss. I think you'd be a bit aggrivated too. FEMA and N.O. SCREWED THE POOCH....PERIOD. That stadium will take years to re-hab, and that's just the shit and piss smell.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
Maybe a few days without food, water and shelter drove them insane.

Nahh.. impossible

Signed,

The right wing puppets who think W is doing a GREAT job!!

Why don't you blame W for making the hurricane hit the Gulf coast

My father in law works for FEMA, he was moved from the DC area to Orlando a day before landfall. He is working 18 hour days preparing and training and moving people to the disaster zone, and if you ask why is he in Orlando? Well first of all, it's still there, and the have a lot of hotel rooms and can provide the support needed. They're are also 2 other FEMA staging/ planning areas in the USA. FEMA is in action and they have been. It seems like there is an overriding sense of why hasn't my govt helped me yet. To me it's obvious. Let's see it was a strong cat 4 hurricane, compare it to a F3 tornado 150 miles wide that lasts for 12 hours. People knew about this for 5 days, WTF were they doing in that time period? Yes I understand that N.O. is a poor city, and a lot of people can't get out. Again, growing up on the Gulf coast of Florida and having experienced several hurricanes myself, I wonder why people don't have the basic hurricane preparations; Radio, batteries, flashlights, water and food for 3 days. The Red Cross, FEMA, and every local TV, newspaper and radio station pounded this into peoples heads from May-November in Florida. You can't expect the government to show up the next day with hot meals, clean water and a place to stay. It's just not going to happen. The area is totally and completely devastated, ALL transportation means are damaged, communication is non-existent. Total recovery will take a good 10-15 years.



The voice of moderation
User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 7):
I'm actually going in this weekend, since the Navy has given us a 4-day weekend for Labor Day, with several others to help restore some law.

I salute you, sir. I will be hoping you stay safe while you are there.



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 11):

Thank you very much for that comment. I just hope we can do some good there. There is so much destruction and chaos that you stop and wonder what one person can do, but when I'm right next to it all and the government is giving me a 4-day weekend...I can't think of doing anything else more important. Thank you again!



Crye me a river
User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2332 times:

Totally make sure you return to A.net safe and sound and well. Thank YOU for your service to the people affected.


But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again:

FEMA is responsible for setting up the staging areas ahead of time. FEMA is responsible for coordinating the airlifts and rescues.

It takes time to get into storm-damaged areas. Someone had to clear and/or rebuild sections of highway just to get there with the busses. Rescue helicopters don't fly very fast. If it wasn't for FEMA, we'd still have food and water and busses just getting to the staging areas, and the helicopters would just be starting to lift people out. Instead, because of FEMA, rescue efforts started in the midst of continuing tropical storm-force winds after the hurricane had barely passed.

Our government can only do so much, so fast. Patience is of the essence here, even though for the people in the disaster zone time is short. In this kind of scenario, we won't be able to save everyone, no matter how hard we try. Just keep praying, and donate as much as you are able.


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):
The right wing puppets who think W is doing a GREAT job!!

I guess the hurricane was Bush's fault also.  Yeah sure

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3):
Well, I hope the troops return fire and wipe out the B*stards

Couldn't agree more, I believe that after 9/11, anyone who was caught looting, was to be shot on site, same goes with the riots in Chicago in the 60's. Same thing should be implemented here. There is a difference between stealing food for survival, and cleaning out footlocker and electronics stores.

Oddly enough, all the looters I've seen were mostly black, it could be due to the high population, but that is another topic.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting LHMark (Thread starter):
Why the hell would anyone do this? It makes no sense!

The same reasons that there is looting and raping going on--the human nature of some to turn into animals when faced with such a huge crisis.

I have no doubt that people are stressed and frustrated, but some people overlook the enormity and scale of the disaster, and have some unrealistic expectations.

Not everyone can be first in line on the first bus. Somebody will be the last person on the last bus. Nobody wants to wait their turn, it's all about "ME" and right "NOW" to the exclusion of everyone else.

I am particularly appalled by the reports of gangs of young men going around and raping women and young girls at gun/knife point. How terrible for these females to survive Katrina, only to suffer an ugly personal tragedy on top of that. Whatever the frustration or excuse of the individual, there's no valid excuse for such behavior, and if a police officer or guardsman witnessed such an attack, I think they'd be fully justified in putting one right between the perp's eyes.


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

They need more guard troops on the ground for police duties so rescuers can do their job.


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

The blunt truth answer: Some animals will snap at their own guts. Unfortunately man is one of them.

I don't care how frustrated you are, shooting at rescuers is contra-survival. It is far beyond stupid.

And I'm with those of you who are critical of our Government's efforts to date. The amount of aid that has arrived as of sundown today is what should have been there monday afternoon.

Bush is showing no leadership whatever! Until this afternoon he let second-stringers do the Whitehouse press conferences. When he finally showed up for one (with Daddy and Clinton for support) he came off as a heartless insensitive boob. He talked far more about rebuilding than he did about rescue or humanitarian aid. It is not time to talk about that yet - there are people dying for lack of water.

All public officials need to stop spouting off about what a good job they are doing. The FEMA director should never get in front of a camera again. He looks like a buffoon. He says on Thursday afternoon that he was "surprised" by people appearing "out of the woodwork" at places like the Superdome. It was a frank admission that he was utterly clueless about the severity.

Frustration is justified. Looting stores for food or liquids is justified because "the system" has let you down. Your own Government - up to this point - is going to let you die. Breaking into barricaded multi-story buildings to get your families up out of the putrid water is justified, in fact it would be negligent not to do so.

But stealing the food and water being brought in and selling it to your fellow flood victims, well, again I have to think of Ethiopia and Somalia. Barbaric! And shooting at ambulances and helicopters is mad-dog insanity. I hope to hell those noble National Guard troops are prepared to shoot them down like mad dogs.

I notice something else too. The people I see making specific pleas for help, and trying to organize self-rescue, self-help efforts are ALL WOMEN. Where is the manhood of New Orleans?

Here is a question the FEMA director should know the answer to, but I'll be he doesn't. What is the closest town to New Orleans that has drinkable tapwater?



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

If more people had guns someone would have shot the asshole who is shooting at the rescuers.

Why punish the entire nation by taking away a right, when only a few people are breaking the law?

But this thread isn't over gun control, so stop making it about that.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3):
Where's ANCFlyer when you need him

I believe he is in the phone booth changing clothes....I'll get him.

Clearly one of the lessons here for people is that when civil order breaks down, you are on your own to defend yourself and your family.

I for one, now that I am working, will begin stocking up on ammo again.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Well, if there are really armed gangs roaming the streets in NOLA, there's only one thing the Guardsmen should do-shoot to kill. If they run into one of these gangs, raming a street, there's no warning. This is, literally, a war zone in may respects, and to return some sanity to the streets that aren't flooded, these scum need to be taken out.

Sounds brazen, but this is getting beyond any niceties.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 9):
Good enough reason to start sniping others in the same situation, most of them being far worse off than those doing the shooting? I'm very sorry that you think this.

I'm very sorry these morons not only THOUGHT it but TOOK ACTION!!

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 10):
Why don't you blame W for making the hurricane hit the Gulf coast

I don't believe in the butterfly effect

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 10):
You can't expect the government to show up the next day with hot meals, clean water and a place to stay

I can expect 2 out of 3 (sort of). The is NO excuse for the lack of water and MREs immediately (within hours) after the winds died. Why is it that there are buses to take people to Houston before there is adequate food and water? Not to mention a few thousand porta potties?

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 11):
I salute you, sir. I will be hoping you stay safe while you are there.

You might not like it, but I am with SH on this one, anyone who goes ther TO HELP, knowing how shitty it is deserves a pay grade and a commendation.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 14):

Our government can only do so much, so fast

Typical defeatist attitude. Like I said before there is no reason the MREs and watere werent there immediately and tents setup in the nearest dry land above sea level.

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 15):

I guess the hurricane was Bush's fault also.

I don't believe in the butterfly effect

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 16):
Not everyone can be first in line on the first bus. Somebody will be the last person on the last bus. Nobody wants to wait their turn, it's all about "ME" and right "NOW" to the exclusion of everyone else.

Yeap humans are SO dumb....

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 16):
I think they'd be fully justified in putting one right between the perp's eyes.

 thumbsup 

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):
It is far beyond stupid.

 thumbsup 

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):
Where is the manhood of New Orleans?

Waiting for thier biotches to rescue them.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22):
This is, literally, a war zone in may respects, and to return some sanity to the streets that aren't flooded, these scum need to be taken out.

Yeap. The Mayor ordered everyone out.. that MEANS EVERYONE.. Sounds like a shoot first policy is in order...

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
and not have water and MRE's pre-positioned for such an occurrence?



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
Florida has much better disaster and emergency planning.

After Andrew it was difficult 'not to learn'. Andrew is part of why Senior was kicked in the ass on his way out of the whitehouse. He didn't care about 'us' so the Cubans who'd sell their daughters before voting democrat didn't care about him.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
Which only goes to show how little understanding you have of the immensity of the task facing relief workers.

WRONG!

It goes to show how little understanding FEMA has of the immensity of the task.

This sort of thing is the only reason we have those overpaid sandcrabs on the payroll for the last thirty years. What in the pluperfect hell have they been doing?

Level five hurricane heading up the gulf sunday night.
Going to have to make landfall in a sea-level region.
New Orleans is well known to be BELOW SEA LEVEL protected by levees that are designed to deal with normal spring freshets.

These are not difficult concepts to understand if you give a shit.

Planes should have been loading SUNDAY NIGHT and been airpborne toward MSY as the storm was leaving the area.

Did you know that trucks were being loaded today with FEMA shipping containers at Herlong California. That is about eighty miles north of Reno Nevada. Now tell me - when will those truck arrive on the Gulf Coast? My guess is about monday morning.

FEMA has one job in the whole damn world and they blew it.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 31):
Planes should have been loading SUNDAY NIGHT and been airpborne toward MSY as the storm was leaving the area.

Ewww.. I'm going to have to  redflag  this one. Until it could be ascertained that landings would be safe there, no need to burn the kerosene. But Helos should have been making that determination ASAP along with enough crew for a good FOD walk.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 31):

FEMA has one job in the whole damn world and they blew it.

 thumbsup 

Which is UTTERLY amazing given how many Oil buddies W. has there...


25 Halls120 : Perhaps it will become obvious in the days ahead that you are right. Why you continue to give the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana a fr
26 CORULEZ05 : I believe these people are committing these unexcusable acts out of frustration. The helicopters are transporting people who need immediate care and l
27 SlamClick : Because it is not the City or the State that are sitting in a Typhoid-Cholera petri dish, dying of dehydration while being bullied by drunk, stoned w
28 J_Hallgren : I've b een watching a fair amout of the TV coverage, and i definitely agree that it's the fault of city of NO and state of LA that things got out of c
29 MD11Engineer : But still, government help agencies have limits. Many people today have forgotten how to help themselves and how to improvise. I saw people stuck on a
30 SlamClick : I do not disagree with you on this. There is little the rest of us can do to help those who will not help themselves. (and stealing beer is not helpi
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I posted last night after an extremely long delay filled day at the airport . . . alas, my post was deleted because it reference some others that were
32 Halls120 : You miss the point - it is NOT the responsibility of the federal government to make sure states and cities have disaster response plans in place in a
33 ANCFlyer : I would say HUGE in the 95 percentile . . . as I said in another thread, if their only evac plan was "Go to the Superdome" something is very wrong. A
34 SlamClick : Well, perhaps I don't make my point very well. I'm more outraged than eloquent at this point. Five, ten years from now there will still be a City gov
35 Halls120 : You may disagree all you want, but your assertion remains incorrect. FEMA was formed in 1979 by executive order of the President, combining Federal p
36 SlamClick : Read it here, read it in any of a galaxy of threads on this overworked subject. The Gulf of Mexico was almost filled by a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane. It wa
37 TPASXM787 : Yeah but Amy Smart was hot in that movie...wait a minute...back on topic... This is where my problem comes in with the mayor and his bitchfests....he
38 Post contains links Nancy : The people shooting may be suffering the effects of dehydration and have no idea what's going on. They may actually think that they are being attacked
39 Aloges : You're right, and I apologise.[Edited 2005-09-02 20:54:16]
40 Halls120 : You are correct. But the feds - by statute - must wait for a request from state and local officials before stepping in. And my point in regard to thi
41 Jrw261 : Argue what you want. But in my opinion.. Im the only one I can count on. The day you expect other people to help you through bad times, unexpected or
42 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Except for those unable to evacuate, you're spot on. Stupid asses with their cars buried in water in their driveways getting plucked off their roof a
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