Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
Its all relative--the cost of hybridization doesn't quite add up for value to the dollar--even with these high ass fuel prices it would take you like 6-10 years worth of gas savings to really save. Out of the initial list you posted I only like the Acura TL--the others are boring. For me...
1. Aston Martin V8 Vantage
2. Porsche 911 4s
3. Corvette C6
4. BMW M3
5. Mazda RX8
6. Infiniti G35 Coupe
7. Jaguar XJR
9. Scion tC
10. Grand Cherokee SRT8
I think all of my cars get horrible gas mileage--except for the tC.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39455 posts, RR: 76 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
At least they are all truck-based and have off road use. The problem is that none come with a diesel. You have to go up to a Excursion or Suburban/Tahoe to get a diesel.
Diesels get better milage, hauls more, last twice as long and can be converted to a biodiesel.
Nothing but a tank of questionable reliability. The guy who owns the business next to mine has a new Phantom – now that car does say *You Have Arrived* like no other. Well, his business partner does have a Maybach.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31810 posts, RR: 72 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1556 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7): You have to go up to a Excursion or Suburban/Tahoe to get a diesel.
Not anymore. The Jeep Liberty offers a diesel option, and so does the Volkswagen Touareg (though it is a V10 diesel and carriers a premium price tag; it is currently on haitus in the US market because it didn't meet some EPA standards for the year, but VW has fixed the problem, and it goes on sale again in February).
Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
1) Mazda 3 (economy)
2) Ford Crown Vic/Mercury Grand Marquis (price/comfort/value)
3) Chrysler 300 (damn good looks)
4) Dodge Magnum (ditto above)
5) Nissan Xterra (price/looks/value)
6) Toyota Corolla (economy)
7) Nissan Maxima (looks/value)
8) Lincoln LS (value/comfort)
9) Chevrolet Corvette (looks/value/heritage)
10) Cheverolet HHR (looks)
and even though it's beating a dead horse...
11) Pontiac Aztek (purchase price will be cheap/utility/comfort)
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
Soyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1482 times:
The best buy in a car these days is
1) a small car which good economics over short distances (less than 20,000km per year)
2) any large car/4WD, or a small car which will do more than 20,000km per year, but which is run on LPG (gas).
An LPG conversion costs between $1500-$2500 (depending on vehicle and the type of kit needed), yet when you are paying $1.20 a litre of petrol, as opposed to $0.45 per litre of LPG, the costs savings are immediate, and the conversion pays for itself, for most people, within the first year; particularly as petrol price are thru the roof.
A downside of LPG is there is a loss of some economics, although I think generally a car which takes 1 litre of petrol to cover X distance will require approximately 1.2 litres of gas.
The upsides are LPG is much cheaper (less than half the cost of petrol) and it is more environmentally friendly.
Lijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 557 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
For my wife and kids as a 5 mile per day transportation unit: I am looking for the tax-benefits of buying a horse and carriage and turning in my garage into a stable. No, I am not Amish or Pen. Deutz! Does anybody know a carriage maker in The Netherlands?
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
Quoting Palladium (Reply 4): BMW sucks.... soo many troubles and error on their cars.
If I can choose BMW or Mercedes ..... I am gonna have to say Mercedes Benz all the way for best luxury cars.
I've owned several examples of both BMW and Mercedes. The Mercs spent a lot of time getting repaired, including a warped engine block, electrical problems out the wazoo, and one problem I NEVER could get figured out - an annoying habit of losing the idle limiter for a few minutes every few days (so that when at rest you had to keep your foot on the gas to prevent the engine from simply stopping). I spent as much money maintaining them as buying them. I recall a new problem (mostly electrical) cropping up every 3 or 4 weeks.
The BMW's on the other hand have worked flawlessly. I've had 6 of them (one new, the rest used). I've had to replace 2 water pumps (both after 150,000 km or so) and one rubber hose. Apart from oil, plugs and filter changes, that's all I ever did with them.
BMW makes far more reliable cars than M-B. I can attest to that from experience.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1340 times:
"considering the rising price of gas, I would have to say all the hybrid cars get my vote"
Palladium, you forgot the original hybrid; Honda's 2-seat Insight. An impractical 'only' car for most U.S. buyers but no other model sold here gets EPA 60 city, 66 highway M.P.G. (manual transmission model; CVT automatic model rates somewhat less). Of course real world average M.P.G. is more like mid-fifties and this car is cramped, noisy, slow and handles somewhat skittishly, due to skinny, low-rolling resistance tires. I'm one of the few Americans who could likely live with all of this for my 'only' car.
And if $5.00+ per gallon gas prices are coming soon, I may just do that. However, most Americans need and demand more car so its sales have been very slow, here, unlike the vastly roomier and far more comfortable Toyota Prius .
"Lincoln Town Car
Mercury Grand Marquis
Ford Crown Victoria
Buick Park Avenue
Superfly, although these are all good cars and relatively frugal, considering their size and power, most of them are still V8's, something I'd avoid if gas prices keep rising. I'd instead choose the 6 cylinder models of these cars that offer one although half of them don't. Nothing wrong with power except that it's costing more to have it, these days. I'd go for a 300 Touring model with the 3.5L V6; it's powerful enough. Despite its cylinder deactivation feature, the Hemi is sure to get less real world mileage than the six, despite not much poorer EPA ratings. These high gas prices may abate somewhat after the Katrina-related refinery disruptions ease but I'd prefer to go for better M.P.G. in any model I'd have for a few years; historically, gas prices ultimately keep getting higher.