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When Is The News From N.O. Going To Get Better?  
User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

I'm really feeling frustrated and helpless. It seems like every time I check news sites or turn on the TV something has gone worse in New Orleans and the devastated area. I really wish I could do something to make things better. I sit here in my nice house in clean clothes, with plenty of water and food, and look outside at a beautiful day in Seattle. And yet thousands of people in the same country are struggling, fighting to survive. They are reduced to basic survival mode. My God, when is it going to get better?

I know you guys can't answer me, but I am horrified and every time I see more news it just gets worse and worse. The Superdome. FEMA hasn't done anything. Private hospitals being evacuated but not public ones. People who survived the last few days are dying because help can't get to them fast enough. Why isn't the government doing something - anything - to make things better? Why aren't there more people and equipment there? Why aren't there more supplies?

I know, they're trying...but they have to try harder and they have to do it faster. This is awful. It's hard to believe that this is happening in the US of A.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
I know you guys can't answer me, but I am horrified and every time I see more news it just gets worse and worse. The Superdome. FEMA hasn't done anything

The busses that have started moving people to Houston were provided by FEMA, I believe. Ice and water has already started to arrive in Biloxi.

I'd like to see things move faster too, like parachute-dropping supplies instead of depending upon the damaged roads.

At least it rained in New Orleans today, helping cool things down a bit.

The disaster area is the size of the states of Ohio and Michigan combined. It's going to take a while before things get better.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
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THings are moving rapidly and issues are being dealt with in order of urgency.

We are all dealing with this while being inundated with information with our 24 newsmedia, but anything that must happen takes time to move the forces (many of which were prepositioned near the area, but need to be moved into the disaster zone post storm) and I'd have to say that having thousands of rescuers (with tens of thousands more on the way), and hundreds of aircraft and watercraft, plus larger vessels in the area is pretty fast work.

These forces could not be there on site during the storm for obvious reasons and moving them takes time.

The forces on hand would be in better position to help victims if they weren't being forced to deal with the looters and criminals.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The busses that have started moving people to Houston were provided by FEMA, I believe.

FEMA stated yesterday they will provide buses. The ones I’ve seen are owned by Regent and CoachUSA. FEMA has probably scraped up every company possible that charters buses. CoachUSA and many others run dozens of daily charters from Houston to Louisiana casinos in Lake Charles, Kinder, and Vinton.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 3):
CoachUSA and many others run dozens of daily charters from Houston to Louisiana casinos in Lake Charles, Kinder, and Vinton.

I wondered to myself yesterday why there were so many hundreds of tour busses in the general area. DOH! Thanks for clearing up my curiosity.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Thanks for clearing up my curiosity.

On the I-10 corridor you see bus after bus after bus. 95% are Houston to Louisiana Casino traffic. Most are 12 hour turnarounds. I’ve taken the buses there several times from Houston. Most recently, on a weekday in July. Cost was $7, which the casino refunded in cash upon arrival. Some give free lunch buffets. On the weekend, the prices increase drastically and the incentives disappear.


User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

This dreadfully reminds me of this summer's movie war of the worlds. I decided to stop watching the news. I Heard about an hour or so that police,the army and everyone else left the convention center since its getting so hostile.

Makes me feel better ive got dry clothes on,infront of my computer drinking TAB.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
FEMA hasn't done anything.

How do you know this??

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
Why isn't the government doing something - anything - to make things better?

Just doing "something" for the sake of doing something for the cameras is counterproductive.

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
Why aren't there more people and equipment there? Why aren't there more supplies?

What type of people are in short supply? Doctors? Logisticians (like myself)? If you can't answer then how would you know what kind of people to send?

Same goes for supplies.....

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
but they have to try harder and they have to do it faster.

Easy to say from your couch, much harder to do in a shattered city. How would you do it?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
I'd like to see things move faster too, like parachute-dropping supplies instead of depending upon the damaged roads.

Para-dropping supplies to desperate folks not trained to receive them is a bad idea. They will rush the chutes as they come down and be crushed/killed.
BTDT, seen it. (Afghanistan)

edit: Also in order to para drop you would have to calloff helo evac & rescue. Parachutes & rotors don't play well together......

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
These forces could not be there on site during the storm for obvious reasons and moving them takes time.

plus they didn't know for sure where the storm was going to come ashore so had to play it loose.

Folks, monday morning quarterbacking this thing based on what you see on TV is easy. Making it work perfectly is damned hard. Give these folks a little credit.

[Edited 2005-09-02 00:39:46]

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Scarlet,

Many of us feel the same sense of helplessness and hopelessness. It's a stage of grief.

FEMA has been involved since before the storm. It is because of FEMA that staging areas were set up prior to the storm's landfall. It is also because of FEMA that people were able to start rescue missions only hours after the storm's passage.

The problem is that this is a HUGE land and sea area, and roads are mostly impassable. Someone had to go clear the road so that busses could get in to evacuate people, and that took time. As you know, we can't fly rescue helicopters and airlifts at the speed of sound, so that takes time. It's time that, sadly, many people won't have -- but I believe that the people who can do something are doing the best they can.

The only thing I can do is watch and pray. That doesn't seem much in a physical sense, but it really is *something*, because God will answer prayers in many ways.

It may be weeks until we start seeing recovery, but right now we must look at the small blessings: the airlifts, the massive donations, international aid offers, the police in Waveland, MS who survived by hanging on to a scrawny bush outside their headquarters. These are the miracles among the devastation, and if we focus on those and helping in the ways we can, there is already hope.


redngold

[Edited 2005-09-02 01:04:43]


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Thread starter):
I sit here in my nice house in clean clothes, with plenty of water and food, and look outside at a beautiful day in Seattle.

BTW one last thing: You might want to talk to your local politicians about their plans to evacuate Seattle in the event Rainier erupts. How about your personal plans? Do you have emergency food & water? Do you have a personal evacuation plan? Does your family have a post disaster rendevous plan?

...or are you waiting for FEMA to rescue you post disaster from a known and understood threat?

When they had the 6.2 earthquake in Seattle a few years ago EVERYBODY in my buildings first thought was "What's the Mountain doing?".. We all went out and looked......  

[Edited 2005-09-02 00:51:58]

User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

SATL: Evacuation plan, evacuation supply list, out-of-state family member to contact, yes. Working on the rest. I fully expect that there will be no help for me or my family. I expect we'll be on our own and my intention is to get across the Canadian border as soon as I possibly can after a disaster.

I am not at all meaning to knock the people who are out there working so hard to rescue people. I'm horrified and anguished at what's happening and I feel so helpless. I wish more could be done. I do not know what that is - I am not an expert, obviously. It's just so hard to watch.

I do not mean to turn this into a "poor me" thread because I have NOTHING to complain about. I just wish more could be done for the people suffering so badly.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 10):
I am not at all meaning to knock the people who are out there working so hard to rescue people.

Well that's how you sounded. Remember that the stricken area is something like 50,000 square miles. If you had a MILLION rescue workers, that only puts down 20 per square mile, or one lonely guy every 400 yards or so. It's a big job.

Charles


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
like 50,000 square miles.

I've heard 90k square miles and the size of the UK.


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 989 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Satl382G, I'm adding you to my RR list. My father in law works for FEMA, he was moved from the DC area to Orlando a day before landfall. He is working 18 hour days preparing and training and moving people to the disaster zone, and if you ask why is he in Orlando? Well first of all, it's still there, and the have a lot of hotel rooms and can provide the support needed. They're are also 2 other FEMA staging/ planning areas in the USA. FEMA is in action and they have been. It seems like there is an overriding sense of why hasn't my govt helped me yet. To me it's obvious. Let's see it was a strong cat 4 hurricane, compare it to a F3 tornado 150 miles wide that lasts for 12 hours. People knew about this for 5 days, WTF were they doing in that time period? Yes I understand that N.O. is a poor city, and a lot of people can't get out. Again, growing up on the Gulf coast of Florida and having experienced several hurricanes myself, I wonder why people don't have the basic hurricane preparations; Radio, batteries, flashlights, water and food for 3 days. The Red Cross, FEMA, and every local TV, newspaper and radio station pounded this into peoples heads from May-November in Florida. You can't expect the government to show up the next day with hot meals, clean water and a place to stay. It's just not going to happen. The area is totally and completely devastated, ALL transportation means are damaged, communication is non-existent. Total recovery will take a good 10-15 years.


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Reading from this article, it appears that the National Guard hasn't gotten there yet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_52



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Obviously, I was wrong about FEMA. CMHSRQ, thanks for clarifying.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
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Tbar....the Natl Guard is definitely on the scene. They have been there since Saturday when they were supervising the admittance into the Superdome.

There are tens of thousands more on the way from surrounding, and even farther, states that are pitching in to cover the shortage from LAs combat brigade serving in Iraq.



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Everyone should be thankful for what they have, and think of those down there who are don't have anything right now.

Find a way to donate SOMETHING...be it clothes, canned food, water, blood, etc., whatever you can afford, and every little bit will help. I gave $150 yesterday to the red cross ($5 min. donation using a c.c., and on a secure website) and will probably try to do more.

SATL382G: We're one 8 or 9 magnitude quake away here in the NW, and the disaster scenarios here are not reassuring. Where would I go? Don't know...everyone would head for eastern Washington probably, but there's two freeways over there, one of which (US 2) is not that wide in terms of lanes. Not something I want to think about.

We need to consider the fact that willl take a long time for NO to recover, but in many ways, it may never recover completely.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

This is the story that gave me the idea that FEMA's response was lacking.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...005/09/01/Ebbert_FEMA20050901.html



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 989 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 18):
This is the story that gave me the idea that FEMA's response was lacking.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation....html

Yea, it pisses me off. People don't seem to understand that when there are no roads, railroads, or airports open, and waterways are clogged with debris it tends to make traveling a bit difficult. Then again when people are shooting at the people who are trying to help them, that can add a bit of stress. The guy compares it to the Asian tusanimi's I'm pretty sure that relief effort wasn't overnight either. Relief efforts on this scale are a massive undertaking. I also think that's part of the problem as well, people just don't realize how big this is and how much damage has been done. The coast from The FL/Alabama border to just west of New Orleans and inland a 150 miles, about 3000 square miles worth has been destroyed. How do you plan to fix that overnight? I can't even imagine...



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2064 times:

You make a good point. I guess we have to remember that even those in charge (as much as anyone can be) are also frightened and desperate and probably do not give unbiased information.

Wow, I just made the understatement of the century.



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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2058 times:

Our local CBS channel is broacasting the the New Orleans CBS channel as well. I was watching about an hour of footage today taken from a helicopter and it seems some of the water may be going down just a bit. There are still some areas they showed which were just as flooded today as Monday, however it looked as the areas around IH-10 were starting to recede somewhere, I guess into other parts of the city, so hopefully vehicles will soon be able to make it further into town. As far as the Buses, I watched them all day from my office building and saw about 50 when I was fueling up after work. The caravans had numerous Texas DPS troopers as well as local law enforcement within the caravan. I almost cried when I saw bus after bus after bus go by and all the people were just staring out the window. On the flip side I have a friend who went to NO yesterday to help restore some phone service. From what he told me on the phone, the media is not coming even close to telling us the entire story. He was talking to a guy with FEMA in the boat and the stories he heard were unimaginable.


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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2045 times:

I'm heartbroken to read a couple of things on MSN.

Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as parts of hurricane-flooded New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday.

Raped and beaten! My God, haven't these people gone though enough?

Many people had dogs, and they cannot take them on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. The policeman told a reporter he didn’t know what would happen to the dog.

That makes me want to cry. Imagine - you've saved your best friend and taken care of him for days - now you have to leave him behind to an uncertain fate.



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 10):
SATL: Evacuation plan, evacuation supply list, out-of-state family member to contact, yes. Working on the rest. I fully expect that there will be no help for me or my family. I expect we'll be on our own and my intention is to get across the Canadian border as soon as I possibly can after a disaster.

A persons best chance of survival during a disaster revolves around them taking personal responsibility for the safety of themselves and their loved ones, so good for you. As to your last sentence.... I'll let it go...

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 13):
My father in law works for FEMA, he was moved from the DC area to Orlando a day before landfall.

I know a number of folks working for FEMA and I have supported them (FEMA) myself on a number of occasions. It's frustrating when the press only reports the extremely good or extremely bad stories and neglects the real 99% of the story, where many, many, good things are happening.

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 17):
SATL382G: We're one 8 or 9 magnitude quake away here in the NW, and the disaster scenarios here are not reassuring.

I used to have an apartment in Puyallup. The day I realized I'd have only 8 minutes heads start on a lahar was pretty sobering. The folks with 300K USD homes with a Mt view would have even less.... Picture a lava bomb coming thru that picture window...

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 18):
This is the story that gave me the idea that FEMA's response was lacking

The story was political finger pointing. State & Local are responsible for initial response and I think it's pretty clear the local response was lacking, particularly the planning for levee breach.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 23):
As to your last sentence.... I'll let it go...

I would just want to get the hell out of the way and get to my friends and relatives. I think everybody just wants to "go home" when they are faced with a bad situation.



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25 J_Hallgren : Correct hurricane planning states that you MUST have food/water supplies to exist on your OWN for at least FIVE days...as it may take that long for go
26 Post contains images TedTAce : For everyone who thinks FEMA and the rest of our government is doing a good job near the superdome I have one VERY LARGE Why did comandeered busses ar
27 CORULEZ05 : Turn the TV off.......simple. Don't expect the news to be getting ANY better ANY time soon....it hasn't even been a week yet....sheesh First way of h
28 TedTAce : Hey Daddys boy, your not working a real job and supporting a family... Why not grab some of your boyfriends and hop in that piece of shit car and you
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