Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
USA And Israel Relations  
User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

Hi all,

I've always been curious why the USA have so strong relations with Israel (economics, politics, etc.). What are the historic reasons?

Thanks.

8 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Because the evil commies supported Israel's enemies.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

I don't want this to come off too political, but I've heard it from a political science professor here at KU and it doesn't surprise me:

Many influential and rich Americans are of the Jewish faith, and they donate a lot of money to politicians on their election campaigns, and after elected, this politicians have the obligation to their contributors to act in a pro-Israeli fashion. Also, my professor said, we've increasingly seen Israel as a place to have a strong, loyal, 24/7 ally in the Middle East.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Campaign contributions is the biggest factor. But as i stated in another thread, this has been an off and on relationship with ties only getting stronger in the 70's, and 90's. The 80's were full of years when the Reagan administration went out of its way to fund the terrorists who threatened Israels existence.

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Many, many reasons. Of course it has something to do with the fact that there are many Jews in the United States, but in my opinion this can't fully explain the relationship. I think it has more to do with the history of the United States, our values, and of course strategic reasons. Also you have to remember that Evangelical Christians are extremely pro-Israel and it is estimated that there are many tens of millions of them in the US.

It is very simple to say that "Rich Jews are the reason the US is pro-Israeli", but at the end of the day, despite the myths of Jewish power, it is extremely difficult for <3% of the US population to build and sustain the special relationship we have with Israel.

In the early years, it was very "in" to be pro-Israeli. Major stars like Frank Sinatra travelled to Israel and fell in love with the country. Israel became the country that everyone loved to love in the early years. It's estimated that 25% of the intelligence the United States received on the USSR in the 1950s came from Israel. Israel delivered major intelligence scores for the United States by stealing Russian-built MIGs, and even obtaining a copy of a secret Soviet speach by Khrushchev that was extremely important to the West.

In the 1970s and especially the 1980s, as Israel's celebrity statues died down, Israel was a major ally in the Middle East. They were a democracy, extremely pro-American, had an amazing military and unlike say Iran, we didn't have to worry about arming them and then having a revolution. Israel became a major strategic ally in the 1980s...Once again as the United States faces major conflicts in the Middle East, Israel has again become a strategic asset of the United States.

Over the years, the low points were with Eisenhower and Bush Senior, with the best years (of the US-Israel relationship) being under Reagan, Clinton, and George W Bush.

Over the many years of relations, many ties have been built. For example, many American first responders now train in Israel. These people come back to their communities in small town America and by just talking about Israel, a bond is built. The more bonds that are built, the stronger the relationship is. Thousands of people, from aircraft technicians to military commandos, interact with Israel and build more bonds.

Perhaps these two webpages explain it better than I do:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../US-Israel/roots_of_US-Israel.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/282


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

If jewish funding alone was the reason, then, by that logic, America should be working exclusively for Saudi Arabia. Much more money to be made there.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
Many influential and rich Americans are of the Jewish faith, and they donate a lot of money to politicians on their election campaigns, and after elected, this politicians have the obligation to their contributors to act in a pro-Israeli fashion.

Sounds more like a conspiracy theory.



I support the right to arm bears
User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Thanks all for the answers. I did know the legend/fact that many rich Jewish lobby the politics. But it is a little strange that few people can change the external US politics.

Thanks RJpieces, very interesting post.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

If jewish funding alone was the reason, then, by that logic, America should be working exclusively for Saudi Arabia. Much more money to be made there.

Excellent point.

Thanks all for the answers. I did know the legend/fact that many rich Jewish lobby the politics.

Jews lobby, but there are tons of lobbying groups. Other succesful ones include the Armenian Assembly of America and the American Hellenic Educational Professive Association.......There are also Christians who lobby for Israel. Check out:
http://www.ifcj.org/site/PageServer?...ServSessionIdr010=5ci6w3kcm1.app1b

http://christianactionforisrael.org/

Due to ancient stereotypes, many people think of Jews as being all powerful. Hence most people think that the Jewish lobby has far more power than they actually do....Also, many critics of Israel tend to throw around the argument that US couldn't possibly be pro-Israel, thus 60 years of supporting Israel must be because of a bunch of Jews secretly corrupting US foreign policy. AIPAC, the main Jewish lobby, started out with ONE man running everything!

But it is a little strange that few people can change the external US politics

They can't....Many people think they can, but at the end of the day Jews are 3% of the US population. Jews might be able to make campaign contributions...But what about the Congressmen and Senators from Middle America? They aren't pro-Israel because of all those rich Jews in Iowa and Nebraska. What about Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, a devout Christian who speaks as if he is Israeli? What about Condoleeza Rice...And Donald Rumsfeld. Nobody is forcing them to hold pro-Israeli views....As I said, there will always be people rambling about the mythical power of Jews...Remember, Jews are responsible for Communism and Capitalism. But by any objective look at the facts and history, the Jewish lobby is not the main reason why the US is pro-Israel.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Pakistan And Israel Might Normalize Relations Soon posted Thu Sep 1 2005 15:04:17 by RJpieces
USA And UK - Afghanistan / Israel - "Palestine" posted Wed Jul 10 2002 15:11:14 by LY772
Who Are USA And Bush Closest Allies In Europe? posted Sat Jun 24 2006 01:54:39 by Koper
Question The Qur'an And Israel? posted Thu Mar 16 2006 14:56:48 by Dtwclipper
Hamas And Israel posted Mon Jan 30 2006 01:14:26 by IceTitan447
Egypt And Israel Sign Natural Gas Deal posted Fri Jul 1 2005 22:12:02 by RJpieces
Ferries Between Cyprus And Israel posted Sun Mar 6 2005 02:08:50 by L410Turbolet
German Football Ladies Beat USA And Reach WC Final posted Mon Oct 6 2003 13:10:43 by Racko
Is There Friendship Between Israel And Usa? posted Mon Jun 24 2002 01:06:49 by PanAm747
Israel And Palestine: Should One Or Both Exist? posted Wed Aug 30 2006 00:21:56 by Falcon84