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Why So Many Liberals On A.net?  
User currently offlineKykevin54 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

So, I have a simple question. Why are so many plane nuts here on A.net liberal? I am a moderate Republican, I will make no qualms about that, but it seems that my somewhat conservative opinions get slaughtered here on the forums.

FACT: George W. Bush won the last election by a majority of the votes.

Given that, and other stats that show conservative Americans as the majority, why do planes attract so many liberals?

Just a thought, and no, I DO NOT want a political debate on my hands.

Thanks

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Well, I guess this belongs more in Non-Aviation, but I'll bite.

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Given that, and other stats that show conservative Americans as the majority, why do planes attract so many liberals?

Maybe because A.Net is a WORLD forum, not just an AMERICAN forum. We have people logging on from US, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Brazil, Tanzania, Malaysia, South Africa, Egypt, Tunisia, UAE, Australia, and everywhere in between. Just because America voted in a slight majority to re-elect GW, doesn't mean the whole world voted in a slight majority. I think this website shows how the world views GW, not just America, be it pro or con.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

If you want anyone to respond to this, you should post it on Non-Aviation forum because this might be an interesting thread.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Why are so many plane nuts here on A.net liberal?

unions

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
I DO NOT want a political debate on my hands.

then don't try to bring up majorities when you know it's going to get hammered by those discussing the electoral college, and the fact that only a disgusting percentage of registered voters actually voted.



if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3148 times:
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A couple of facts:

1) You have posted a political question in the Aviation Polls & Preferences Forum. You should have posted this in the Non-Aviation Forum.

2) This website is hosted in Sweden, not the US. You question assumes that everyone here is an American.

3) Yes, GWB won the last Presidental election. That doesn't mean the majority of Americans are conservatives. It just means that the majority of American were fooled into voting for someone who's a conservative.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 4):
fooled into voting

I'm not sure if I'd agree that people were "fooled" into voting for GW. Many people, especially in the American South and Midwest agree with the values he campaigned on - protecting America no matter what the cost, family first, strong - Christian morals, etc.

Also, I know a LOT of people, myself included, who were kind of lost in the election of 2004. I didn't vote for Kerry, I voted AGAINST Bush, and I know a ton of people who were the exact same way (either for Kerry against Bush, or for Bush against Kerry)...and it just so happened that Bush was on the winning end of it all.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Given that, and other stats that show conservative Americans as the majority, why do planes attract so many liberals?

The internet and free exchange of information and ideas attract liberals.

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 4):
2) This website is hosted in Sweden, not the US. You question assumes that everyone here is an American

Thank you. You just made my RU list.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
FACT: George W. Bush won the last election by a majority of the votes.

A majority of what votes? A majority of the half of the people who actually went to the voting booths in the first place.


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Why So Many Liberals On A.net?

Simple. Aviation attracts people of above-average intelligence.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21791 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 8):
Simple. Aviation attracts people of above-average intelligence.

What he said.  yes 

-Mir



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 7):
A majority of the half of the people who actually went to the voting booths in the first place.

Well, like it or not: That´s how an election in a democracy works. Everybody who did not partake in a poll, may not complain afterwards that the wrong persons/parties have won the election.
(Just a general statement; no personal or political criticism).
BTW: Germany will be facing the very same "problem" of non-voters in about 2 weeks ...



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User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

I have a wide range of socio-political convictions. A few of these are rather conservative (I am against abortion except if the mother's life is in danger, I am against legalization of drugs, though I agree with de-criminalization of simple posession), and one or two are radically liberal (I am for giving people under 18 far greater legal rights, to the extent that each individual young person can exercise them). Many of my views are generally moderate or basically liberal (for example, I am against communism but for democratic socialism, including medicare and free basic higher education, but not to the extent of supporting "handouts". Welfare only to those who really need it while they really need it).

When I compare some of my views to the views of many A-netters (eg. George Bush is great, women should know their place, children often need to be corporally punished and otherwise treated strictly), I find many posters to have a rather conservative side! American ones at least.

I'd say however that in general, you can find a wide political spectrum here.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

It isn't that we have a lot of liberals, it's that the few conservatives we have are INSANE.  Silly


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 6):
The internet and free exchange of information and ideas attract liberals.

And besides that, let's all remember who invented it. Yep, Liberal #1 Al Gore!

Don't worry KYkevin, there are a few of us Conservatives who hang out here. You can spot us by the ones using facts and history in the arguments, while the left are spouting theories and hate!   

Just watch'em light up after this post!!!


Actually, there are a few good lefties around here that do actually attempt to back their arguments, even if they're wrong, such as Falcon84 and Logan22L, among a few others. But then there are others that use "its George Bush's fault" every argument. You spot these easily when they refuse to debate you no matter how much you try because after they shoot their only bullet (again, its GWB's fault) they're done.

Glad to have you here. Join in the fun often.

[Edited 2005-09-02 22:10:51]


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5040 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
You spot these easily when they refuse to debate you no matter how much you try because after they shoot their only bullet they're done.

I think you just described our esteemed member B757300...


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 14):
I think you just described our esteemed member B757300...

Right on, Scorpio! The single-bullet theory/one-trick pony is certainly not unique to either side.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Actually, there are a few good lefties around here

I think I need to see my optometrist.  Wow!

Mirrodie?


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

A right wing party in Europe is best comparable to the democrats in the US. The republican party of the US would be considered too right and remain on the fringes in most of Europe.

In Europe the general opinion is far more leftist. Since this is an international site it is hard to get a clear mayority of people with extreme views. Be it leftist, rightist, christian, muslim etc.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

My question is, with the amount of worldwide influence there is on A.net, how come there are so many Conservatives?


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Why are so many plane nuts here on A.net liberal?

If every person who dares to ask

- if Iraq was smart move
- if gun ownership is the bestneccesary
- if the french had it right (just slightly)
- if warming of the admosphere has something to do with pollution

is a liberal, man, there are lots. Maybe a majority.


User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Right Wing: Work, work, make money.
Liberals: Nothing to do, smell the roses (or surf a.net)



Que viva el guaro, el dinero y los aviones!!!
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
Just a thought, and no, I DO NOT want a political debate on my hands.

So...

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
FACT: George W. Bush won the last election by a majority of the votes.

...You'd rather force your opinions down everyone's throat believing they are fact?


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Don't worry KYkevin, there are a few of us Conservatives who hang out here. You can spot us by the ones using facts and history in the arguments, while the left are spouting theories and hate!

Right on my man!  bigthumbsup 


It's also easier to lay low a lot of the time because we conservatives don't have the time to engage in a never ending argument - we have to go to our jobs to pay the taxes that support their social programs.  stirthepot 


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 14):
I think you just described our esteemed member B757300

I can't wait for him to get here and fire his only blank shell. "Liberalism is the ideology of intolerance, hatred, Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell. TTYL!"



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 21):
we have to go to our jobs to pay the taxes that support their social programs.

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society". A smart man said that. No idea who though, but I know he was a republican. Aparently never made it to A.net though...

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineACdreamliner From UK - Scotland, joined May 2005, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Thread starter):
So, I have a simple question. Why are so many plane nuts here on A.net liberal? I am a moderate Republican, I will make no qualms about that, but it seems that my somewhat conservative opinions get slaughtered here on the forums.

FACT: George W. Bush won the last election by a majority of the votes.

Given that, and other stats that show conservative Americans as the majority, why do planes attract so many liberals?

Just a thought, and no, I DO NOT want a political debate on my hands.

Thanks

omg, well said. i am in the middle of being flamed in another topic for my pro-bush and pro-war stance, thanks for making me feel like i have company, and welcome to my respected user list...



Where are you going?
25 Post contains images VANGUARD737 : Simple, aviation, while being very attractive to people of high intelligence (conservatives) unfortnately will always attract people eager to keep the
26 Doona : What? An Englishman who supports Bush? Your life can't be easy... Cheers Mats
27 EddieGunsmoke : That is true, whether we like it or not.[Edited 2005-09-02 22:58:04]
28 Klaus : Just on a slightly different scale... instead of 50% abstentions it'll be really bad if it's much above 25%... Just for perspective...!
29 We're Nuts : Buddy, if that was the worst "flaming" you get, consider yourself lucky. You were getting challenged because your ideas didn't make sense.
30 B744F : No, you have to pay the taxes that support the country who gives you the opportunity to make a living The only people with their heads in the clouds
31 Logan22L : So you add someone to your RU list because "now you're not so lonely?" Boo freakin' hoo.[Edited 2005-09-02 23:18:12]
32 MaverickM11 : The fact that George Bush won the last election, by its very nature, is not an "opinion".
33 B744F : Unfortunately you can blame the system and the politicians for giving most people no good choices That's a good one! Please take your "facts" and "hi
34 ME AVN FAN : as this forum is NOT a US-American forum but an international one, and NOT based in the USA, the number of votes he got is IRRELEVANT he possibly jus
35 ACdreamliner : no, thats just airheaded. i added him because i respected the way that he said what he said... really, get over yourself
36 Post contains images GQfluffy : That is probably the most idiotic thing I've heard on A.net in a LONG time. Thanks for making me laugh, though...
37 Flybyguy : The fact that there are so many liberals on this website indicates that maybe Liberals tend to be more tech savy on a whole compared to Conservatives.
38 NoUFO : Why So Many Liberals On A.net? What kind of question is that? Even if there are currently indeed more liberals (however you may define the term "liber
39 Planespotting : 51% of the voters defeating 49% of the voters is not an overwhelming majority, nor is it a very accurate sample of American ideals and beliefs. The fa
40 Flybyguy : Come on now, you know EXACTLY what he means. I think all your knitpicking just proclaims to everyone that instead of contributing thoughtfully to thi
41 Bill142 : Do you think that would be the case if the United States had compulsary voting?
42 Omoo : You forgot to add "- Watching Planes fly by"
43 Post contains images Diamond : You're quite welcome. I'm glad I could brighten your day.
44 Lijnden : I am a realist: I have opinions on about everything. Some might be liberal (like gay-marriages, health care for everybody, no income tax on labor, etc
45 Jalto27R : Kykevin54, Starting to regret making this thread yet? Mike
46 NoUFO : He is baffled to find more people who opposes his ideals then those who support them. So what? Even though I'm moderately left, there are still more
47 Post contains images TedTAce : Weak flamebait... ...and it wasn't even started in the right place I am a social Liberal first and a FISCAL conservative second. The WASTE of this ad
48 Sidewinder : I don't know....He is the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I wouldn't call him a looser.
49 Checkraiser : The jails would be full!
50 Post contains images SATX : I'm a hard-core extremist liberal in America, which I assume makes me a moderate just about anywhere else. Honestly, 'conservative' and 'liberal' are
51 SRQCrosscheck : This president was a drunk, dyslexic nobody who just-got-by through Yale, but managed to make enough connections, manipulate people though his social
52 S12PPL : Why are there so many conservatives on A.net?
53 Drewfly : A better question for you would be ''Why do so many people get angry when I blame the liberals for everything?'' Wait for it............
54 Alessandro : Sidewinder, wake up, US isn´t the most powerful nation in the world. Soon 8 Trillion US$ in debt, the world´s economical powerhouse is located in as
55 SW733 : Yep, I'll agree with that 100% Absolutely with success, especially more recently since the US Dollar has been dropping compared to the Euro...At this
56 Post contains links Legend500 : What is power? If we're talking economy, no, it isn't. Militarily of course it is. Culturally and historically, absolutely. China is a threat to ever
57 Alessandro : Legend, I don´t think the US is the military might it like to portray itself as, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has surely revealed the weaknesses.
58 Post contains images RootsAir :
59 Alessandro : Well, I don´t share your opinion on the Euro nor European Union. I consider the economical might of 457 million inhabs to be greater than the might o
60 NoUFO : I don't. And even if this is the case now, it will one day stop since the US spends much more money on scientific research than Japan and the economi
61 DLKAPA : Congratulations you've all succeeded in spreading more bitterness.
62 Post contains images OYRJA : Damn man! That was some of the funniest I read so far But there are some Conservatives in here I like. But not all of them.
63 Post contains links Legend500 : 457 million is the population of the entirety of Europe. I remind all that the farsighted nations of Denmark, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Cyprus, Cze
64 Alessandro : Legend, not yet, some of the new members will soon. Yes, Angola with it´s huge oil-reserve and large mineral resources has bigger economical might in
65 Post contains images AMSGOT : Conservatives want things to stay the same and fight for what they have. Liberals want things to change and improve and adapt to their environment. Or
66 Post contains links and images Legend500 : Some. Why not major EU Countries such as Denmark, the UK or Sweden? I have some beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.... It's true, as the art
67 Post contains links CMHSRQ : The USA is the engine of the world economy and the USA has the worlds most powerful military, and the worlds strongest, most stable economy we have a
68 Doona : I wouldn't say that, but the fact remains, the Democratic Party is on the far right of the scale of European politics. The GOP wouldn't have a chance
69 Gman94 : Discussions like this always crack me up, the only people who are concerned with labels such as liberals and conservatives are Americans, and you guys
70 Doona : Hear, Hear! I remember the beginning of the 1700's when Sweden was one of Europe's most powerful kingdoms. Finland, the Baltic States (for the Americ
71 Zeekiel : I agree. It's stupid and I think people who use it to polarise or insult each other are total pillocks. Especially that stupid show Hannity and Colme
72 QANTASforever : I'm going back to basics here: Bush won with a slight majority of those who bothered to vote. We are not talking about an election that resulted in a
73 Post contains images L410Turbolet : I'm sure you get a hard-on just writing about it. BTW, all those piles of military hardware seem to be really "useful" nowdays. You know, delivering
74 Post contains images AMSGOT : With ships like the Vasa???
75 Doona : Vasa was built, launched and sunk in the 1600s my friend. Not 1700s. What was the landmass of Holland at this time? You may have built good boats, bu
76 ME AVN FAN : Many of them WILL join the Euro rather shortly
77 Post contains images AMSGOT : Landmass of The Netherlands was the same as now minus a province, minus some parts of the provinces of North Holland and South Holland. And I was tal
78 Doona : Socio-Liberal is my category, I think. I was lucky enough to have turned 18 in time for the vote, and I was actively involved in the yes-campaign for
79 Falcon84 : Author better realize that most people on this planet are more liberal than conservative, not the other way around. On advantage conservatives have th
80 AMSGOT : Good analysis! Ingen fara!
81 Aa757first : Yes, but somewhere it shows the breakdown of nationalities. The biggest group on here are Americans. If the Internet were in its infancy, I would agr
82 GuitrThree : Did you just really say that?? Yes, you are completely wrong. Here are just three examples: (1) Liberals want to KEEP social security as a failing sy
83 Scamp : I want every single person in America to have quality, affordable health coverage. If that makes me a liberal, so be it. I want everyone to have freed
84 JoeCattoli : This scares me.... Although I have anyway some doubts it happened "by its very nature"... Ciao Joe Please our different ways of view reactions remain
85 Post contains images Soyuzavia : I put it down to the lack of electricity of many trailer parks which are notoriously right wing. Even then, these people don't know how to use a toot
86 AMSGOT : Scamp, you made some great points! Couldn't have said it better myself! And yes, I did just say that. My reason was to make this discussion a bit mor
87 Post contains links Alessandro : The USA is the engine of the world economy and the USA has the worlds most powerful military, and the worlds strongest, most stable economy we have a
88 Soyuzavia : In short, you can't. Although, I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about 'training' them per se, but rather subjecting them to bonded slavery?
89 Post contains links Alessandro : GDP for US according to our friends at www.cia.gov 11,75 trillion China+Taiwan+Japan 11,58 trillion, seem like a difference of 170 Billion US$ (same a
90 Alessandro : Legend, depends who rules this kingdom, votes here on issues like the Euro are just "advisory", once upon a time there was a vote to ride on the left
91 Kykevin54 : Guys, I just went back and read all the responses to this thread for the first time. Thanks for all the feedback. I should have been a little clearer
92 AMSGOT : Sounds interesting! And I mean really mean that!
93 Post contains links CMHSRQ : no, I was proving a point, that's about it. Nice that you left off the rest of the post. BTW, I have an idea, lets have a storm, give it 140mph winds
94 CMHSRQ : yea the debt sucks, If nothing is don't about it then we will be in big trouble. 2 million barrels everyday, Check your numbers, it's a lot higher th
95 Centrair : What a great thread. I am happy I am currently living in an a-political nation. Japan....rich...lots of technology...people...don't care about politic
96 Alessandro : CQ, so how well did the US react to ethnic cleansing in Guatemala, El Salvador? How much trade do US do with Africa, except buying oil and other miner
97 B744F : Yes those damn liberals, hating everything about America like freedom of speech, religion, assembly, the press, etc.
98 Ozglobal : Have you checked his poll ratings lately?
99 ClassicLover : That was screamingly funny! Hillary Bush for President!! Trent.
100 Post contains images NonRevKing : Oh another "conservatives are repressed" post... Visit the non av forum. It's pretty even in the US political posts. But you'll never hear a Repub adm
101 Post contains images We're Nuts : If you aren't with us, you're against us.
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