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Katrrina Vs. 9-11?  
User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

For some odd reason why does the media keep on saying that this is the US's worst disastor...But what about the 9-11 attacks??? Was that the worst catastrophe compared to Katrina? Of course, the only difference is the one is natural related and one by human related..

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

9/11 covered an area of maybe a square mile, and cost 3000 lives.

Katrina covers 90,000 miles and 10,000 deaths (and counting).

And remembering the Tsunami, it just goes to show how mother nature is nastier than anything man can come up with.

Charles


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Thread starter):
Was that the worst catastrophe compared to Katrina?

I think in terms of "people directly affected" (= "hurt" / "lost property" / "physically suffering" etc.) Katrina indeed is worse than the attcks of 9/11.
-HT



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Thread starter):
For some odd reason why does the media keep on saying that this is the US's worst disastor...But what about the 9-11 attacks??? Was that the worst catastrophe compared to Katrina? Of course, the only difference is the one is natural related and one by human related..

There are plenty of differences.

An entire MAJOR city and major ports have been decomissioned. The costs to rebuild are...overwhelming. Most of the economy of the state of Louisiana depends on this city. A large portion of economic drive for Mississippi comes from the Gulf region.

There are "refugees" in the hundreds of thousands who lost...everything.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

When all is said and done, IMO 9/11 won't hold a candle to the destruction and deaths caused by Katrina...

Greg



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
There are "refugees" in the hundreds of thousands who lost...everything.

Some congressman earlier today took issue with using the word "refugee" to describe the Katrina victims. He said they are "evacuees", as they are not stateless, and while slow, have federal aid on its way to them.

A small point, but I tend to agree. They're still Americans (save for the visitors from abroad who were caught up in the storm).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

The September 11th attacks were concentrated in a very specific place(s), because of the size of the buildings attacked and the people it held there were deaths in the thousands at the World Trade Center. However the destruction was of an area bounded by perhaps 5-6 blocks, this Hurricane is spread over Miles and miles and it's full impact has yet to be assessed.

This Hurricane is 1000Xs worse than the 9-11 attacks, Wall Street and the rest of the City went back to work a couple days after the attack. Kids were back to school the next week, the Yanks and Mets season resumed.

The whole City of New Orleans is going to be abandoned, and it could years before they even finish cleaning up. And after they clean up they are going to spend atleast $14-20 Billion to fix the levees, and then there are the homes, Hospitals, Hotels etc..

They will probably even need to replace the Super Dome, even if that place is still stuctural sound after this week they should tear it down.



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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

The two of them cant be compared, as they are verry diffrent.

With Katrina you have a natural dissaster, that casued many casualties both in lives and money.

With the WTC the casualties and the cost might me less, but the Long term impacts are still felt. (people dying in Iraq on both sides, more paranoia, and the economical factor as well)

Those are two diffrent events that had diffrent causes and impacts on the world. One really cant compare them beacuse the people who get killed in Iraq are still human, no matter if they are American or not.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

yes, this situation is far greater than September 11. Both of them however, occured at the same sort of point in my life.

Tuesday, Sept. 11 2001: I woke up in my dorm room around 745am cst and walked into a friends room to see the world trade center billowing smoke from a gaping hole. I had been a freshman in college for about 2 weeks at the time and this event was definitely a fundamental part of my undergrad experience.

Tuesday, August 30 2005: I woke up in my room in my house around 800am and turned on my television to find New Orleans totally underwater and unliveable. I have been a graduate student for about 1 week and I can already tell that this will probably have a greater effect on my overall personality and attitude then September 11, 2001.


The shock of seeing a great American city under many feet of water is just something I don't think a lot of American people ever really considered. This is far more damaging to the entire national economy than September 11.

Something like 30-40% of the entire US Oil Supply (not our total oil supply, just the amount of it that comes from inside our borders) comes from this region. That means for a few weeks, a rather large percentage of the entire US Oil supply (probably 5-10%) will be lost, and despite the summer season coming to an end, there will not be a 5-10% drop in demand. This is causing far greater gas prices and for a much longer period of time then the relatively minor gas price increases following 9/11. This means all industries who rely on gas will have fewer profits (some will take heavy losses), these industries include but are not limited to (and most are inter-related):

retail: needs to ship their goods from the vendor to the distribution centers to the stores

transportation: truckers, airlines, and trains are instrumental in the infrastructure of the United States, and all of the companies involved will be facing much higher fuel prices across the board, causing them to past the cost along to the shipper themselves and then along to the consumer

agriculture: The Mississippi River Delta in southern Louisiana plays host to nearly half of the crops produced in the Midwest, when they are floated down on barges to be processed and then shipped overseas.

heavy industry: Factories and supply warehouses use trucks and trains to ship their products to the places they need to go (think of companies like Caterpillar, John Deere, Ford Motor Co, etc...). Fuel shortages cause delays in shipping, which cause delays in sale and sometimes no sales, which cause hang ups in other industries that these products are used (agriculture, construction, electrical, power, etc..etc..)

and this is just the macro-economic side of it. no telling what the socio economic impacts will be on each individual person (over 1,000,000 people displaced and out of options), not to mention the fact that our government has not responded in the best and most productive way, which will probably make the general public question whether or not their government can protect them if a situation like this arises again.

This natural disaster is probably the worst thing that has happened to the United States since the stock market crash of 1927 and subsequent depression. I don't believe the hurricane and flooding will have that bad of an effect on everything, but everyone will be feeling the effects for months and years to come.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Do I have to say Apples and Oranges?

One was Man destroying Man, the other was Nature Destroying Man.

Save the rescue/recovery workers who are still alive and their continuing health problems; the non-emotional suffering of 9/11 lasted minutes where this has lasted for days and will continue to do so.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
9/11 covered an area of maybe a square mile, and cost 3000 lives.

Katrina covers 90,000 miles and 10,000 deaths (and counting).

Exactly, also remember when the water is gone the real trouble begins. Workers are going to have to wear hazmat suits and that most houses and buildings are going to have to be destroyed and carted off. For 9/11 the cleanup was concentrated in one area, in NO most of the city will have to bulldozed and rebuilt. This is much worse than 9/11. Water and moisture added to the dead and decay will be far worse than the fire and collapse of 9/11. Don't you understand there will be no power, fresh water or anything there for months? This disaster from the rescue to cleanup to the rebuilding will be the worst ever, it will take the longest and cost the most.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 996 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
Katrina covers 90,000 miles and 10,000 deaths (and counting).

Sorry, but have these 10,000 deaths been confirmed? I haven't seen any new links or reports, just a few rumours here on a.net.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 983 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Thread starter):
For some odd reason why does the media keep on saying that this is the US's worst disastor...But what about the 9-11 attacks??? Was that the worst catastrophe compared to Katrina? Of course, the only difference is the one is natural related and one by human related..

9/11 might have been a bigger shock, and had more of a global effect, especially in the way the U.S. responded, and how the world has responded.

But Katrina is going to personally affect just about everyone of the almost 300 million Americans around now. The area directly affected by this storm is a swath of 3 states, covering thousdands of square miles; it's displaced maybe more than a half million people, who no longer have homes; it's unleashed a third-world kind of enviornment that Americans have never seen on it's own shore; it's going to cost the country dearly economically, and even socially.

They're alike, but they're different. 9/11 saw a shift in American foreign policy because of those attacks; Katrina could see a fundamental shift, as fundamental as those that happened in the Great Depression, in the ways Americans deal with each other, and on their long-term economic future.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 968 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Thread starter):
But what about the 9-11 attacks???

What about the alleged Vioxx-related death toll? Supposedly there are over 20,000 in that one.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
10,000 deaths (and counting).

Sources? Links? It's not that I don't believe you, it's that you dont always bother to research what you type.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
One was Man destroying Man, the other was Nature Destroying Man.

The planet does its own thing. If you stick around too long to watch, you just might get caught-up in it. Not everyone hung around to see what was going to happen. Even with the relatively sudden tsunami of 2004, not everyone ignored the abruptly retreating sea level. Those who headed for higher ground lived to tell about.

In this case, the main tragedy in my eyes is that nobody seemed to realize that so many folks either would refuse or simply be unable to find a quick and easy way out. Was nature responsible for keeping the disaster recovery plans up to date too? I think we brought some of this upon ourselves through lack of proper planning and timely execution. The city that everyone said would flood someday finally flooded. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what needed to be in place. At least, that's the way I see it.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Hmm, I would say this hurricane isn´t only the works of nature, but humans have contributed to this. As for 11/9, remember the pentagon as well, not only
WTC was attacked on that day.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 907 times:

They are both different with different results. It is hard to compare, Katrina has probably cause more damage, but 9/11 had it's own implications on the USA.

User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 900 times:

The difference is that AQ claimed responsibility for 9/11. But they will have a hell of a problem if they are going to claim that they are behind this unless 1000 AQ warrioirs sat on a boat with a fan each and pointed it towards the US.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 4):
When all is said and done, IMO 9/11 won't hold a candle to the destruction and deaths caused by Katrina...

How very true. 9/11 shocked America, however the disruptions to our way of life were indeed small in comparison to what is happening now.

One industry and its suppliers, etc., the airlines,was hurt, thousands of people dismissed in the days following 9.11, but I don't think that the financial wake of the destruction of Katrina has been calculated. I fear that this will have a far wider and deeper effect on not just the American economy, but on that of the entire global village (re:OIL).

I would never dream of minimalizing the losses suffered on 9.11, indeed they were immense.

We have lost a great American city, one of the few that had elan and flavor, we have lost 1/4 of our domestic oil production (temporary as it is).

I fear the "American Century" has come to an end, and when the history books our written, Katrina will be a defining moment.

The response to this disaster has proved that we have lost our way and can no longer care for our own.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 830 times:

9/11 was worse than Katrina in one major aspect; that of the psychological affect it had on the nation, in other word, on all of us. It's one thing for even the U.S. to be humbled by a natural disaster; that happens somewhat regularly, though Katrina was far more spectacular than most the U.S. has suffered. It was quite another thing, however, when the world's mightiest nation railed from the shock of seeing its two greatest cities brutally attacked by crazed extremists on the same day, an unprecedented event. The psychological effects of Katrina are far more confined to the affected area, though the rest of us deeply empathize with the victims. Though awesomely powerful, even the worst hurricanes are merely blind engines of destruction which bear no malice toward us, despite all the horror and grief they cause. We tolerate their existence because they are merely part of nature. The 9/11 terrorists, though, struck deeply into our subconscious fears because the knowledge that determined people who deeply hate us can successfully kill thousands of us at a time is infinitely more terrifying at a visceral level than that of being pounded by a mindless storm, however merciless. Though Katrina's toll of death and destruction will vastly dwarf that of 9/11, it can't begin to compare with the sort of terror the 9/11 attacks left in our hearts.

User currently offlineLegend500 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 824 times:

One way to tell was in the lasting impacts and media coverage immediately during the crises:

9-11: Overblown (was asked to evacuate a three-story classroom building at university for fear that a plane would crash into UNT on the way to DFW)

Katarina: Underblown (Whew! It's ok!...oh wait.....well, we better not bother the president, though, he is taking a nap.)


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 819 times:

The difference between 9-11 and Katrina is simple. The people of New Orleans had days to get out before disaster, but ignored the warnings. 9-11 struck without warning, simple as that. I consider the people killed in the 9-11 innocent victims, I consider the people who stuck around New Orleans, in most cases, morons. Again, many of you will say that the poor folks in New Orleans had no means of getting out of the city. If they really wanted to leave, they could've left...even walking out, but nope. Tell me that that had a person on the 96th floor of WTC1 had the option of leaving 10 minutes after the plane struck and had the option but didn't


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