Matt D From United States, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 55 Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 474 times:
It is my understanding that the concept of the Internet/WWW dates back to the late 50's. In the late 60's, a [by todays standards] rudimentary version of it was up and running, mainly between the US Government and various branches of the military. For the next two decades or so, the system that would become the Internet was largely low profile in the background, a domain for computer geeks and nerds. But it was there.
If memory serves me correctly, a text-only version of the WWW came online in 1989 or so. It was used by colleges and Universities.
Throughout the early 1990's (1990-1994) I remember reading quite a few blurbs, snippets, and articles about the upcoming "Information Superhighway". At the time, I thought little of it. At the time, I didn't fully understand the concept of what the Internet was going to be.
I guess around 1993 or so, startup companies such as AOL and Prodigy sprang up, allowing people to use their dialup modems to access the various Web pages and chat rooms. But even as recently as 1994, the Internet was still largely a bastion for the aformentioned computer geeks and nerds.
In 1995, everything changed. Graphics became possible. Almost overnight, mainstream commerce caught on to the Internets usage potential, which was far reaching beyond simple chat rooms and text archives. By spring 1996, we were being flooded by 'news' from almost every business in the world, touting their new World Wide Web sites. From there, everything took off.
By the late 1990's, the "geeks and nerds" at last had their glory in the spotlight. It can be argued that the entire US economy was propped up directly, or indirectly by anything related to the Internet. "Dotcoms" sprang up like weeds in the springtime. Not a day would go by without some Internet company offering some kind of IPO. Penny stock would sometimes close at 70, 80, or a hundred dollars per share on opening day. The Dotcom boom was underway.
By 1999, it seemed that the traditional "brick and mortar" store was soon destined to go the way of the 8-track. Thousands of dotcom companies sprung up making it possible to order everything from candy and flowers to pizzas and DVD players. Look at what happened to companies such as Ebay and Amazon. Ebay alone revolutionized the way we can buy things. Looking for rare and obscure and discontinued items that might have taken days, weeks, months, or forever driving around from store to store in a car can be found with a few simple keystrokes. Within no time at all, we were seeing people as young as 21 years old becoming CEO's and millionaires of "something" dot com. Every TV and print ad was some kind of online stock commercial. The Dow Jones Industrial Average skyrocketed to well over 15,000.
Unfortunately the Dotcom industry's one fatal flaw finally caught up to it: it was being ran by people who understood computers and software, and could, with a cup of Starbucks in one hand, and a mouse in the other, build a Web site with graphics and interactive features that could make your head spin.
But they were completely and utterly lacking in any real world business sense.
And by summer of 2000, the bubble burst. 90% of the "dotcom" businesses that had started up since 1996 folded. Countless people lost millions (granted, it was 'on paper' money, but not before many of them had spent real money against it), and the 2001 recession kicked in.
Ever since the late 1990's novelty of the Internet wore off and many lost their asses pretty hard on the crash, the Internet has become a mainstream feature of commerce and society. Most people learned their lesson. Internet businesses are meant to be an addition, and not a replacement to, traditional businesses.
Today it's possible to do almost anything on the Internet. You can buy cameras, books, CD's, cars, real estate, antique salt and pepper shakers, you name it. If it exists, the Internet can help you find it.
You can find a wife or husband. Or at least a one-night-stand through any of the hundreds of online dating services available.
You can control all of your finances and never have to write a single check or buy a single stamp.
You can make friends with people halfway around the world. You can share your pictures with everyone.
You can debate various topics, share your poetry, swap music, even view movies.
It's all there.
Unfortunately, the Internet is not without its Dark Side. For starters, you can have everything you own lost through identity theft. If you hook up with the wrong person from a dating site, you could end up stuffed in the back of a car trunk.
I also believe that the Internet is at least to some degree to blame for the lack of manners and civility in society today. Not to mention our deep political polarization.
You see, prior to the Internet, we had to wait for newspapers, radio, and TV reporting. And that was only what they chose to show us. Except for such things as "letters to the editor", which was only a minute fraction of writers, no one really had any way to chime in their opinions.
All of that changed with the advent of chat boards and forums. Now suddenly everyone can post their opinions. But with the safety net of anonymity that online use allows, people were able to "shoot back" and say things that they wouldn't dare say to anyones face.
It goes without saying that this led to the ever increasing cyber-shout fests and contests to see who can be the most obnoxious. It didn't take long for the mainstream media to pick up on this and determine that the best way to attract a crowd was not to host a debate, but rather, see who can yell the loudest and hurl the most insults in the shortest period of time.
So this is what we get. Add to that, instant gratification. Think of how many people you can reach with one e-mail with instant delivery. No longer would someone have to wait days for whatever you had to tell them.
So here we are roughly a decade into the "digital" age. Many people say that they could not function without the Internet.
Is that really true?
Or has the Internet become some sort of 21st century opium like additcion? If you stop and take an outside glance, life would not stop if the Internet were to go away. With the possible exceptions of a few people who make their living as online stock traders or Ebay sellers, no one would die because of it. All it does is maybe make our lives a little more convenient. 1995 was not the stone age. Life functioned pretty darn well up to that point as I remember. The Internet might make it possible for you to throw away your checkbook. But it does nothing for your eyes, ears, heart, or lungs.
Regardless of how you feel about it, there is no question that this technology has come a very long way in a relatively short time. It's fascinating to speculate on where it's going to be in another 10 years.
Do you think that the Internet will evolve to include some kinds of functionality that we cannot presently comprehend? Or do you think that the evolution of the World Wide Web has more or less reached a peak/plateau, and any further change in any direction would not be feasible?
In other words, will the Internet, 2015 be more or less the same as it is here in 2005?
Thoughts?
Oh and for laughs. How many of you remember your very first foray into the cyber world?
Me?
The Western Pacific Airlines Web site, which at the time was www.westpac.com. August 1996.
Redngold From United States, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 463 times:
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Oh and for laughs. How many of you remember your very first foray into the cyber world?
I was required to participate in a newsgroup-type discussion as a supplement to my World Religions class in the winter of 1993.
I didn't really start using e-mail until later in the spring.
redngold
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AeroWesty From United States, joined Oct 2004, 15634 posts, RR: 66 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 450 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3): I was a CompuServe member. Anyone remember that?
Yup, and I even had an account to access the online OAG at the time, using an all-in-one "executive terminal" that had a small screen with a less than optimally-sized keyboard to access CompuServe and GEnie. IIRC, the OAG charged 25ยข per page to access flight schedules. How far we've come!
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 17761 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 441 times:
There's actually a difference between the internet (based on the DARPA project from 1969) and the WorldWide Web (invented by Tim Berners-Lee in 1990 at CERN) which uses the internet infrastructure.
The internet is basically the physical and logical infrastructure to transport data between any two connected systems.
The WorldWide Web is a combination of a transfer protocol running on top of it (HTTP) and a HyperText Markup Language (HTML for short) to improve the usability of the internet to the point where it became accessible for everybody.
People had used the internet for many years before the Web had been invented, just with lower-level protocols which aren't as easily accessible (UUCP, SSH, ...).
Iakobos From Dem Rep of Congo (Zaire), joined Aug 2003, 2630 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 427 times:
The language was created jointly by British Tim Berners-Lee and Belgian Robert Caillau (both from the European Nuclear Research Center) in 1990.
Summer '91 saw the first runnings of the www.
According to them, progress since then have been really slow.
Searpqx From United States, joined Jun 2000, 4331 posts, RR: 28 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 405 times:
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): Oh and for laughs. How many of you remember your very first foray into the cyber world?
I was using dial up text bulletin boards back in '88. Plus my employer at the time provided remote access to our mainframe, so I was 'on-line' in a sense very early. I still remember my glee when I was able to upgrade from a 1200 to 2400KB modem, I was in seventh heaven!
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3): I was a CompuServe member. Anyone remember that?
I loved CompuServe - tried both they and AOL and happily cancelled my AOL account after about 1 week.
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Roger136913 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 399 times:
1990 was my 1st time on the internet, and it was Prodigy for the service.
For a mere $1,299.00 I bought a IBM 486-25mz with 4 megs of ram, 120 MB HD, a floppy drive and 640k video...................
I added an internal CD player 4 months later for a cool $159.00 and it was a 1X spin lol.....
A 520 MB HD back then was over $1.00 per meg...................................
BAViscount From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 395 times:
Hmmm, interesting thread. Personally, whilst I remember the particularly "geeky" faction of my peer group talking about this thing called the "internet" back in 96-97, it never really held that much interest for me.
When I joined the company I now work for (one of the Big 4 worldwide accountancy firms - you do the maths) in the late 90's, internet access was a privilege. To gain internet access via the firm's network, a business case had to be provided. Then one day a colleague who had access helped me search for an album (of the 12" round, flat, black variety) that I had been looking for. I started to have a passing interest when the search returned some favourable results.
To cut a very long story short, internet access is now granted to everyone within the firm without a second thought. The very system I now support and enables me to pay my mortgage is now web-based.
Personally, I have broadband internet access at home, I have a wireless network in my house, a desktop computer, a laptop computer, a PDA and a mobile phone through all of which I can access the internet. Almost everything I do seems to involve some kind of internet access. If I'm about to drive somewhere unfamiliar, my journey will start with a search on the net to figure out the best route. All of my travel plans start and end on the internet - I can't remember the last time I set foot inside a travel agents. I never write a letter any more - e-mail is one of my only forms of communication (verbal and face-to-face communication excepted!). If I want to make a major purchase, I will surf the net to read reviews and to find the best price. I have made new friends (and some enemies!) via the internet. Thanks to the internet, I am now in contact with old friends from school with whom I had lost contact many years ago...I am even friends with people that were my enemies way back when!
Personally, I can't imagine how I ever functioned without it, although of course, I did. If the WWW were suddenly "switched off", I would no doubt revert to my old ways, but under duress, in the same way as we might protest if electricity were to be phased out and we all had to live by gaslight and spend our evenings singing songs round the piano.
How will the internet evolve? Who knows? But who would have imagined 40, 30 or even 20 years ago what kind of impact computers would have had on all our lives? Who knows what is yet to be invented that in 2005 would seem completely alien to us?
Progress huh?!
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Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 402 times:
I'm in the same building as an "Internet backbone", News introduced to me: 1984
My first e-mail, FTP: 1985
A user of Gopher (just about nobody remembers this one): 1991
Al Gore appears, speaking, on a Mac near me running Mosaic: 1993
(All the above took place in Finland)
Everyone stepped more or less directly into the public Internet protocol here, thanks to the farsightedness of the persons in charge, coming from the academic world. Proprietary packet network solutions, promoted commercially by major companies, were luckily left to their own devices to die a painful death.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 7303 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 383 times:
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): It is my understanding that the concept of the Internet/WWW dates back to the late 50's. In the late 60's
No TCP/IP protocol dates back to the 60's. HTTP protocol which uses TCP/IP was developed in the 90's. Initially the TCP/IP protocols were only avaliable to the US military and government but in 1995 it was opened up to the world and as a result we have a communications revolution.
As of this month I have been a user of the internet for nine years.
If you tune to channel 88.4 you can listen to my thoughts.
Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 352 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13): Initially the TCP/IP protocols were only avaliable to the US military and government but in 1995 it was opened up to the world and as a result we have a communications revolution.
The currect TCP/IP started in 1983 and has always been an open standard.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 338 times:
I wish Katrina wasn't going on because I would love to give My $3.00 worth. Unfortunately I don't have the time for this tread with this stuff going on.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 7303 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 327 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 16): I wish Katrina wasn't going on because I would love to give My $3.00 worth. Unfortunately I don't have the time for this tread with this stuff going on.
Yet you had time to post that piece of useless rubbish?
If you tune to channel 88.4 you can listen to my thoughts.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 14241 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 314 times:
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Quoting We'reNuts (Reply 5): WOOOOOO! Ten years of free porn!! thumbsup
Jcs17
Shouldn't that be signed "99% of Airliners.net"?
I've been going on the Internet for about 10 years now. The college I was attending had internet access for who knows how long (one of my buddies had shown it to me early in 1995), but you had to go to the computer lab, and during certain times, you'd be lucky to get 30-60 minutes on the computer. Then that Summer, they put computers in the library in which you could surf from. And yes, some of my early surfing was porn......
TheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 306 times:
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): With the possible exceptions of a few people who make their living as online stock traders or Ebay sellers, no one would die because of it.
I'd probably die within a month or so.
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): Do you think that the Internet will evolve to include some kinds of functionality that we cannot presently comprehend? Or do you think that the evolution of the World Wide Web has more or less reached a peak/plateau, and any further change in any direction would not be feasible?
I think the concept of the Internet will be relatively similar, but the ways in which we use it will be completely changed.
IMO, I think we'll find new ways of gathering data, and more importantly, we'll find better ways of organizing it. With all of this organized information, we will be better equipped to develop computer models that describe the world we live in. We'll no longer interact with the Internet via computer per se, but through just about everything else -- from the kitchen sink to the shoes we wear on our feet. I see virtual reality coming back in several forms with the help of things like advanced GPS technology as well. Artificial intelligence will advance by leaps and bounds, and the interface between man and machine will pretty much merge together.
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): Oh and for laughs. How many of you remember your very first foray into the cyber world?
It must have been back in '96. I had no idea how anything worked. I think I was using AOL. I remember once I saw the HTML for a hyperlink and I was amazed out how complicated it was.
Matt D From United States, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 55 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 304 times:
Artificial intelligence will advance by leaps and bounds, and the interface between man and machine will pretty much merge together.
We all know that, like with cloning and stem cell research, AI is one of those things that everyone knows we COULD do. But has anyone given any thought as to whether we SHOULD?
BAViscount From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 295 times:
Quoting Matt D (Reply 20): But has anyone given any thought as to whether we SHOULD?
Why not? After all, it wasn't that long ago (in the great scheme of things) that we were walking around scraping our knuckles on the ground (I know some people that still do ). Who's to say that in x years time we won't all develop into beings that are born with USB2 ports behind our ears, or whatever the interface of years to come might be?
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Kaddyuk From Wallis And Futuna Islands, joined Nov 2001, 4125 posts, RR: 39 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 287 times:
Quoting BAViscount (Reply 21): After all, it wasn't that long ago (in the great scheme of things) that we were walking around scraping our knuckles on the ground
Isnt that why chavs wear sovereign rings... so when their fists drag, they dont wear the skin off their knuckles
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BAViscount From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 277 times:
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 22): Isnt that why chavs wear sovereign rings... so when their fists drag, they dont wear the skin off their knuckles
Very true mate, very true!!
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ContnlEliteCMH From United States, joined Mar 2005, 1307 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 267 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3): I was a CompuServe member. Anyone remember that?
Why yes! I believe CompuServe was headquartered in my fair city, on Henderson Road (correct me if anybody else knows otherwise). I even applied for a job there in the early 90's. They were hot, hot, hot.
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