Roger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4366 times:
It appears that it's racial that the blacks were left behind in the city.....
Not sure of the African American who was just on Fox News but he said this is all racial.... Though he did not blame Bush, just said it's racial. He blamed it was racial that Police Officers allowed people to loot for food and clothes but when asked about TV's he said he saw nothing wrong with it????
He said Blacks were being called refugees and not whites???????????
I never heard anyone state a skin color when referring to the people as refugees today. But he felt it was for Blacks only??????????????
People have lost their sanity..............................................
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13877 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4357 times:
THIS is what I feared might come up earlier or later ! it is the very last thing your nation needs. While I do NOT particularily love your president I do NOT believe that he is a racist. And his job is NOT to care about Whites, Blacks, Yellows or whomever, but about his nation and about people. It of course is obvious that exactly the area affected has apparent Black majorities, and so, any problems or insufficiencies inevitably will get explained by some people with this matter. I anyway on four visits to the USA never really understood that aspect. That people can be lighter or darker skinned, have broader or thinner noses, etc, is just nature, some things can be changed by sun or healthcare or cosmetics while others remain. I do NOT say that racism is a "privilege" of the USA. So I hope that Mr Bush manages to calm down matters now.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4340 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 2): President Bush is not responsible for the fact that the city is predominately black
Exactly! Would people say "George Bush Doesn't Care About White People" when this had happened to a city with white people in the majority or "George Bush Doesn't Care About Hispanic People" when this had happened to a city with hispanic people in the majority?
No, certainly not!
I am not a Bush fan but I think that this is just another way to stir the pot and to bash Bush.
TPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4322 times:
It is just another way to bash him.
Like this morning, for some godawful reason I was listening to CNN on XM, and that douchebag Miles O'Brien (must have been a big Star Trek fan when he picked his fake tv name) was totally asking leading questions go get a man to bash the President...I was actually somewhat surprised at how blatant it was.
Roger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4315 times:
Sorry Ted other then that I can't why they are staying he is racial....
I know the CBC were not happy and I thought at one point they were going to say it was racial. The CBC did state this earlier on TV.
Members of the Congressional Black Caucus, along with members of the Black Leadership Forum, National Conference of State Legislators, National Urban League and the NAACP charged that the response was slow because those most affected are poor.
Logan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4308 times:
There are sufficeint reasons to bash Bush without playing the race card.
I saw an interview just a couple of hours ago on NBC national news with an African American stranded in NO who vehemently denied any racial issue. He "pointed to" many whites who were stuck there just as he was. And yes, if a city has a greater percentage of non-whites, then this issue always has the potential for surfacing.
Also in that story was a white guy who had spraypainted his car with white crosses and "AID" messages. He was going around and admitting to looting food, water, and other necessities and driving it to people in need, of any race. Now there's good looting and bad looting, and this sounds like good looting to me. I'd do the same.
Flybulldog From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4306 times:
I think the thing that blacks are angry about is the fact that the news media is full of images of nothing but blacks looting and shooting at the rescuers. The white people are shown on TV as much more compassionate. I'm not taking sides, I'm just commenting on what I see on TV.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4270 times:
For those who say this thread is about bashing Bush two points:
1. I was just reporting what was said, and it's boldness on national TV shocked even me.
2. Name one piece of legislation that Bush has signed that has directly and positively helped urban African Americans.
Logan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4270 times:
Quoting Flybulldog (Reply 9): I think the thing that blacks are angry about is the fact that the news media is full of images of nothing but blacks looting and shooting at the rescuers. The white people are shown on TV as much more compassionate. I'm not taking sides, I'm just commenting on what I see on TV.
You know, that may be true; it wouldn't surprise me, but I wonder if you're talking about NBC, CBS, and ABC, or some of the more recent "cavalier" networks. Most of what I've seen seems pretty fair. Don't forget, NO is a city of predominantly African American inhabitants, so it's not easy to show a 1:1 ratio of good vs. evil acts.
To be honest, I've watched some footage, but it hurts too much to just keep it on all the time. I feel I can do more through donation and I'm trying to get in touch with support operations to donate something more important: my time and knowledge in the areas of drinking water quality and hazardous materials response. Right now, they need militia with guns to clear out the assholes, and supplies to help the victims, but in the next few weeks and months, as things begin to clear up, there'll be a need for people with some skills to help out without having to pay everyone.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13877 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4250 times:
Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 5): this is just another way to stir the pot and to bash Bush
I usually LOVE "GWB-bashing" but this time "do NOT feel amused".
Quoting Flybulldog (Reply 9): the fact that the news media is full of images of nothing but blacks looting and shooting at the rescuers.
ok, someone informed might state what the percentage is /was of Blacks in New Orleans, in Mobile, in Gulfport/Biloxi ??
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11): Name one piece of legislation that Bush has signed that has directly and positively helped urban African Americans.
he is a Tory, and none of them (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush-senior) signed legislation in help of minorities. That is why I could NOT understand why the US-Americans, narrowly but clearly, re-elected this man.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8475 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4231 times:
That is a really ignorant statement. It has nothing to do with Bush, and everything to do with the economic status of the average black person in Mississippi and Louisiana, and the large numbers of them that live there.
That's not racist, even if it is politically incorrect.
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13): ok, someone informed might state what the percentage is /was of Blacks in New Orleans, in Mobile, in Gulfport/Biloxi ??
From the 2000 Census:
New Orleans: 326,000 blacks, 67.5% of the population
Mobile: 92,000 blacks, 46.3%
Gulfport: 23,850, 33.5%
Biloxi: 9600 blacks, 19%
Omoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4102 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter): I was watching the NBC Special event and this African American guy with Mike Meyers just stated the above quote.
The African american guy you are refering to is Kanye West (a famous rapper). i watched that piece and i thought it was uncalled for, it is not right to label it a racial issue but i do agree with some critics that the Feds were caught with their pants down on this one and that it might be a class thing. very simple "people with means do not really care for the plight of the poor and the disabled". Its that simple.
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4091 times:
as a black man....i did find something rather odd. a picture was posted from some news headlines. it had a white couple carrying things in the water they apprantly "found to survive" then there was a picture of a black man carrying some things through the water, he was labelled a looter.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3437 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4078 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19): as a black man....i did find something rather odd. a picture was posted from some news headlines. it had a white couple carrying things in the water they apprantly "found to survive" then there was a picture of a black man carrying some things through the water, he was labelled a looter.
I am black as well, I have also seen that footage and am disgusted by it. Unfortunately things like this are all too common and people fail to see it.
Most people want to deny that race has played a factor but it has, I'm just sorry that people think it doesn't happen. I rarely play the "race" card, but I think that what has happened is not completely unintentional.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4964 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 20): the sense i got from people here in chicago, around the city, at work, some blacks feel that if that was texas, things would be a whole lot different!
Chicago is full of idiots. JUST KIDDING Seriously--I'm black and a Houstonian--and I lived in New Orleans for 4 years. I loathe Bush; but even I have to throw the red flag on this play. I knew some folks were gonna play this race card; it just so happens that N.O. is predominantly black. Now I will say New Orleans is a racist, classist, and segregated city--which all played a role in the living conditions of the impoverished; but the lackluster emergency response is not due to race.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12953 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11): Name one piece of legislation that Bush has signed that has directly and positively helped urban African Americans
No Child Left Behind
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 19): a picture was posted from some news headlines. it had a white couple carrying things in the water they apprantly "found to survive" then there was a picture of a black man carrying some things through the water, he was labelled a looter.
Regardless of color, here's a simple guide:
If they're running out of stores carrying food, medicine or other items to aid in survival, they're fine.
If they're running out of stores carrying TVs, DVD players, etc - they're piece-of-shit criminals.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 Wobbles: Please, folks, W has showed his love (all 1 inch of it) to me, I get great pleasure (and give it too) from Dubya and I'm black. Just don't tell Laura
26 Kilavoud: It's not convenient to play the racist card right now. It even looks very stupid and not appropriate to the seriousness of the situation. It's easy to
27 Braniff727: It is very clear that the mainstream media, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc is extremely biased against the Republicans. Fine. It is the media, the supposed "
28 Legend500: I noticed the massive Fox News supply convoy in New Orleans. It was really nice of Rush Limbaugh to fly to New Orleans and hand out some of his spare
29 TedTAce: Say that to one of the Orlando High school that's been "F" reated for the past 3 years. Majority Student population=African American PS Where's the m
30 Klaus: I doubt it's actual racism - GW Bush and his government have been quite consistent about one thing: They don't give a damn about any people unless the
31 BN747: Here's the story and source... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_re_us/katrina_photo_captions_1 Photo Captions From Katrina Stir Debate In o
32 DL021: So, fundamentally, no one here actually believes that "George Bush doesn't care about black people?" So, where's the criticism of Kanye West and his i
33 Boeing Nut: I'm not even sure how to respond to this. It's just sad. They say that the worst things bring out the best in people. I sure haven't seen any of that.
34 TedTAce: Of course not, but as I pointed out before, he's done nothing to advance African american/monority issues so there is nothing PREVENTING this percept
35 Roger136913: TedTace Are you the type of person who just loves to stir up trouble? Granted I have not been in this forum for long, but just the responses I see you
36 TedTAce: When what I feel are blatantly DUMB things are occuring, ABSO__CKINGLUTELY!! I love to LEARN. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I shove my foot down my
37 Airbuzz: I'm not a Bush fan, but all the bashing about: * It's Bush fault if the help is arriving late * Bush doesn't want to help Black people * etc. is pure
38 ANCFlyer: So here's a question for A-Netters who think PotUS dropped the ball . . . He declared disaster areas for Louisiana and Mississippi on SATURDAY . . .
39 NIKV69: I am glad someone here is making sense. I saw that rapper on the news this morning. He was talking out of his ass. Give me a break. Just another reas
40 LTBEWR: The deeper issue here is that the a large majority of Republicans, and significant numbers of Democrats as well, feel the USA cannot afford the poor a
41 SlamClick: Well, the difference in captions has been explained in reply #31 but I do have one observation. What I have believed all along, and what I have heard
42 ANCFlyer: Yup, on different subject matter NIK . . . One of the hardest jobs for any member of the National Guard is to 'play' law enforcement officer in your
43 TedTAce: Then why did W say the response (yesterday morning) was un-acceptable, and why is he today himself ordering 7,000 more troops? Why didn't he say the
44 ANCFlyer: TedT, you're arguing in semantics in a way . . . . however, I think we're agreeing here in more ways than you see. Yup PotUS did say the response was
45 MidnightMike: Presiden Bush said the relief aid was unacceptable, which is the truth.... The local government calls up the National Guard, the President is in char
46 Carduelis: Not sure if it has been mentioned already, but . . . http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...e/index.php?messageDate=2005-09-02
47 JamesAg96: Because the governoer of LA did shit, the mayor did shit...they had NO plan despite repeated warnings as a result of a hypothetical storm named PAM t
48 11Bravo: Why not Flyer, it’s true. There was something that Bush said yesterday that really caught my attention. He said something to the effect “No one e
49 Slider: OK, I'll play the Devil's Advocate. It is racially driven. Fully. Totally. So if that card is going to be played, then goddammit, let's get it all out
50 JamesAg96: What part of he called the mayor of NO and told him to evacuate on Saturday don't you understand? What part of he let the Gov know on Saturday that s
51 Vanguard737: Has the FACT that almost exclusively, the people in New Orleans who are currently being rescued are all of the ones who REFUSED the MANDATORY EVACUATI
52 Clickhappy: of course if you can afford a room at the Hyatt you get to go to the front of the line when the buses come, hell, the soldiers will even help you with
53 11Bravo: You are just flat out wrong about that James. I have posted several explanations of how the National Incident Management System works and that it is
54 Clickhappy: You ever been to a slum Vanguard? Ever seen how people well below the poverty line live? How would you have had these people get out? The morons are t
55 Slider: Easy. I'd have cut power to the city BEFORE the hurricane--which is SOP for many cities plans, mobilize all the school busses and driven through ever
56 ANCFlyer: And just as quickly others here have a tendency to blame every gawddamn thing on Bush . . . pot, kettle, black my friend. That said, riddle me this B
57 TedTAce: And you aren't? I didn't say they had NO blame did I? you mean like :finger: What about Nit Pick? Or how many were allowed to die ?? Food and water a
58 SlamClick: Michael Moore lost his car in a Sears parking lot? I don't beleive that. He might have lost that silly little ballcap in a bucket of KFC, now I'd beli
59 11Bravo: I don't think it's fair for you to suggest that I blame "every gawddamn thing" on the President. I expect him to take charge and get results when the
60 ANCFlyer: Okay, not directed solely at you, but a broad brush . . . you're definitely not the typical Bush Basher . . . Micromanagement . . . If I tell a Cabin
61 MD-90: Look at it from the very beginning. Police were making people stand outside for hours while they frisked people for drugs and weapons, even though th
62 TedTAce: Yeah, bush has such a great history of firing those who DESPERATELY deserve it