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For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:  
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Try reading these important facts, courtesy of Ben Stein:



Get Off His Back (Updated)
By Ben Stein


A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.




I know this won't make any difference in the minds of those who will stop at nothing to blame one man for a natural disaster, but hey, I figure this needs to be posted for those who are actually interested in reality.

And let the flame fest begin!




-NWA742

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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Who exactly is blaming one man for the disaster?


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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

You act as though this laundry list is some sort of proof or evidence.

Whatever.

SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3389 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

I know this won't make any difference in the minds of those who will stop at nothing to blame one man for a natural disaster, but hey, I figure this needs to be posted for those who are actually interested in reality.

Reality?? You want to talk reality, we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area, while many are left stranded on the roof of their house. No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a clue.


User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
Get a clue

Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can.

Well I am sorry but that as soon as he can was not fast enough. We lost many lives because of the response time. Also, Bush is not to blame for the tragedy, but for what happened after it, the response time. For that we can blame both Mr. Bush, and also the Governor of Louisiana.

Also Mr. Bush is not racist, it is just the poor people, and unfortunately a lot of the African Americans in that part of the world are the poorer people.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area

The government was in action BEFORE the hurricane hit. I refer you back to this point:

It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a
clue.

Bullshit, I've personally heard idiots blaming him for causing the hurricane. Because apparently, global warming is all his fault.

Get a clue.



-NWA742


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 4):
Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!

I'm about as old as you are and I think he's right. Obviously you have little or no respect for young people, which is sad.



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3389 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!

Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter.

[Edited 2005-09-05 19:13:17]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Notable conservative Ben Stein also called what happened at Abu Ghraib prison "frat-boy mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners", just to give you some perspective.

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?



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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 6):
It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

Well it should already be organized before the disaster happens. I am sorry but the response time is extremely slow, and we can blame both Bush and the Governor for. Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3389 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

The government was in action BEFORE the hurricane hit.

Yeah, such as cutting funds the last few years that was supposed to go to building up the various retaining walls for this very at risk area.


User currently offlineSidewinder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter. Asshole

Thats not very mature of you. now go sit down.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 10):
Well it should already be organized before the disaster happens. I am sorry but the response time is extremely slow, and we can blame both Bush and the Governor for. Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?

The response time was not slow. The arrival time for aid was slow, and EVERYBODY can be blamed for that. The federal government, the state, the city/local officials. As well as the hoodlums that were shooting at aid workers.

Don't forget the fact that those hoodlums caused day-long delays for rescue operations and aid operations.



-NWA742


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 12):
Yeah, such as cutting funds the last few years that was supposed to go to building up the various retaining walls for this very at risk area.

Funny you say that, because last night, Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget on Casinos and other shit, including a fucking Learjet.

Yep, they shouldn't have gotten their budget cut, they were really being useful with it.

 Yeah sure



-NWA742


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3389 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Thats not very mature of you.

Neither was the comment you made. You haven't made one productive comment yet. Congrulations.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter.

With age comes wisdom! At your age, it's more of the idea of tooting your own horn rather than offering insight and depth. I was your age once so you can feel free to argue all you want! Have you heard the saying "there is no fool like an old fool"? That implies that wisdom is a product of age and life experiences...if someone is old and has no wisdom and are utterly foolish, they've had a wasted life.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
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Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 2):
You act as though this laundry list is some sort of proof or evidence.

Whatever.

SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN



Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
Reality?? You want to talk reality, we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area, while many are left stranded on the roof of their house. No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a clue.

Both of you are idiots.

The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

The President isn't required to draft plans for hurricanes - that would be micromanagement of the worst proportions. It's up to local officials to draft and approve those plans.

Gov.  hissyfit  Blanco and Mayor  hissyfit  Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

Yes, FEMA was slow to get started but the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans have been the antithesis of Gov. Pataki and Mayor Giuliani during 9/11 - those gentlemen LED instead of whining for help like these two.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

At first,I was very disappointed with Bush's "slow" response.I said earlier,
in a thread,that I would vote Democrat, in protest.But after further research,
it is appears that the failure is with both local and state governments to
understand the depth of the danger.

And I wish the media would stop throwing the race card.
What nonsense!



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quote:
Funny you say that, because last night, Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget on Casinos and other shit, including a fucking Learjet.

Yep, they shouldn't have gotten their budget cut, they were really being useful with it.

NWA742

Are you serious they spent that money on casinos and so on???????

I was going to ask where all the gambling taxes go to and the taxes from the tourist go.
If funding was cut the state should have applied the latter of the two towards it. But if they did indeed use that Federal money towards anything else then what it was intended for fire the bastids!!!!!!!


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 4):
Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!



Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 12):
Thats not very mature of you. now go sit down.

Wow - you really bring a lot to a conversation, don't ya?  sarcastic 

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 10):
Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?

FEMA is probably the biggest to blame here, but as to why they failed so miserably you can find many reasons. There's even a credible story that Wal-Mart (you remember them, evil Wal-Mart?) sent 3-13 (depending on the source) tractor trailers full of water and food on day one or two after the storm and that FEMA turned them around because the city was inaccessible - but the press was coming and going from the city at will, hmmm..... Not racial, nothing against the poor (I don't think) just plain old incompetent.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 14):
Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget

Well, if Foxnews said it, I'm sure there was no agenda there - who told you about this, the great Sean Hannity??? sarcastic 

First of all, the levee that broke and caused all the flooding was the one on Lake Ponchatrain - that particular project was being handled by the Army Corp of Engineers (ACE). Once they took over the project all responsibility goes to them. Now, they are not to blame, they have been asking for more money for years. The Bush Administration has consistently cut their budget, but (according to my sources) most of that has been given back the them by Congress - but still not to the extent they wanted. BTW, the former Republican Senator from Mississippi who was the head of the ACE was fired by the Bush Administration for not giving a convincing argument that the funding cuts were OK, basically. Now, that being said, that levee project has been the subject of funding cuts for years - so our federal government, who wanted the project, has not funded it properly. Here's an interesting run-down of the situation (a few days old but still prudent) from the non-partisan fact.check.org:
http://factcheck.org/article344.html

Bush is not the one guy to blame for this, but I firmly believe his administration has blood on their hands here - and that's based on fact not ideology. The Congress is complicit in this too. It's amazing to me that they could move heaven and earth to sign a bill into law for Terri Schiavo, but Bush and Congress (on vacation and out of session in both cases) took days to get on the ball with this tragedy. I don't think it was racism, I think it was incompetence and there are questions that need to be answered.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Who exactly is blaming one man for the disaster?

Right, he is not blamed for the disaster but for having sent all money and resources into an illegal, unnecessary war and because of this not being able to react in time to help his own citizens. Fact is that he is the worst and most stupid president the USA ever had.


User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists.

I love this from the coming from the "intelligent design" right. 99% of the science community agree that a) there is global warming and b) use of fossil fuels is a significant factor. But forget them - we should take our cues from the host of a long-defunct game show.

The guy's an idiot. There's plenty of conservatives saying that Bush and FEMA dropped the ball, god knows why there's any of you still trying to defend this pathetic excuse for a president. Hugo Chavez summed it up best when he called Bush the "King of Vacations".


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
Hugo Chavez summed it up best when he called Bush the "King of Vacations".

Well, I wouldn't take my political cues from Hugo Chavez, but I think this clearly shows why he needs to be assassinated. Wink


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

The President isn't required to draft plans for hurricanes - that would be micromanagement of the worst proportions. It's up to local officials to draft and approve those plans.

Gov.  hissyfit  Blanco and Mayor  hissyfit  Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

Damn, I thought I was the only person that clearly saw this . . .

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

 checkmark 

Remember, "Go to the Super Dome".  redflag  redflag  redflag 


25 KC135R : ...UMMM, excuse me, wasn't this a last ditch effort to assist the people who did not or could not get out of the city in time? Because that's how I u
26 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Try the other 8,000 threads on this site that are. Doesn't need to be...its what has happened. And I haven't seen one ounce of proof to PROVE otherwi
27 Airlinerfreak : Thus concluding slow response time my friend. You just contradicted yourself. No, not everybody can be blamed for that. What did the city/local offic
28 ZRH : It is perhaps getting old, but even old truths you have to tell.
29 ZRH : This says everything: [quote] Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and t
30 Post contains links Lumberton : According to this ABC News poll, President Bush is NOT taking the brunt of the Katrina criticism. This will no doubt disappoint some.... http://abcnew
31 KC135R : Actually that is exactly what FEMA does - it's their job to handle this stuff. IF FEMA isn't there to handle the disaster, 100%, why are we spending
32 Cfalk : We've all seen the pictures of hundreds of school buses and all the city buses that sat unused. They could have been used over the weekend to ship ou
33 Sidewinder : Feel free to include the other halve of the conversation next time.
34 NWA742 : No, you're wrong. The government responded to Katrina days before she hit the coast. That is not a slow response time. Just because it took several d
35 KC135R : There may be some truth to that, I don't know. But didn't this storm go from not much of a threat to becoming an impending disaster in about a 24 hou
36 JamesAg96 : I read parts of this thread as I only have a few minutes...but the reason you have the Mayor and the Gov bitching so much is because they dropped the
37 KC135R : No, thanks for the suggestion, but I won't. I said you don't bring much to a conversation and then quoted the only two things you said to make my poi
38 Usnseallt82 : Until you know it is a die-hard truth, I wouldn't claim it as such. But, they are relatively at the descretion of the local authorites. Yes, they run
39 Seb146 : Yes, imagine if Hillary had been in charge of health care. Because that has so much to do with this hurricane. Much like the charges that Bush is dir
40 Lumberton : Everything about what? Sorry, ZRH, Michael Moore is a fringe player that makes political movies. This guy is not taken seriously by a majority of Ame
41 Post contains images KC135R : That's all I am saying - old, young, or anywhere in between - people of all ages make ignorant, non fact based comments all the time. On this we sure
42 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Without a doubt. And the more threads I view, the stronger my footing is in this thought. And, unfortunately, it doesn't really matter at this point.
43 EA CO AS : Yep - quoting Michael Moore as a source DOES say everything about you; it totally undermines any credibility you may have once had. The other day on
44 KC135R : To be honest, and I am not slinging mud at any agency here it is just how I feel, it is hard to be understanding when people who survived a hurricane
45 Cfalk : We live in an age of denial of responsibility. "Forget being responsible for my own life, let the higher ups take car of me." And once the population
46 KC135R : Than what is the point of FEMA?? This is exactly what they are there for.
47 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I feel very sorry for you if you think this. I agree completely. Exactly. No, but you are claiming that FEMA had every opportunity to come into the a
48 Post contains links B2707SST : No, it doesn't. It's absolutely typical Michael Moore -- twisting the facts into snippy criticism without offering one solitary idea about how to sol
49 KC135R : The locals were SCREAMING for help from the first day - if FEMA really could not get in that's one thing, but not being asked was not the reason. Hav
50 Usnseallt82 : Bush mobilized FEMA on Saturday, declaring the area a disaster. Louisiana didn't ask for the help until after the levees broke...Monday. New Orleans
51 Theredbaron : There are some things that in my opinion should be considered. Las year Hurricane Ivan (if memory serves right), was in a colision course with N.O. th
52 Usnseallt82 : No, it hit Gulf Shores, AL and Pensacola, FL dead on...I lived through it. Yesterday? Who cares what Geraldo was doing yesterday...FEMA was there res
53 KC135R : That's why I asked if you were there, I didn't know, so instead of erroneously saying "you weren't there either" I asked, and now I do know and even
54 LTBEWR : President Bush is part of the problem in this, so should get part of the blame, including going to Arizona and San Diego for political PR rather than
55 Post contains links AeroWesty : It looks like someone else has gotten into the blame game. Meeting Katrina victims in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, President Bush thanked families who had
56 Braybuddy : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I remember a much swifter and effective reaction by President Bush when a couple of hurricanes hit Florida in 20
57 Post contains images EA CO AS : Interesting how the media has been tearing into the FEMA head for his "lack of experience" though. Three, cutting across the same area within weeks.
58 Usnseallt82 : I understand. And I know so many others wish they could do something, but can't. Its a shitty situation any way you look at it. Well, you see, FEMA i
59 Post contains images Lumberton : I hope you don't quit your day job (whatever that is) for political analysis.
60 Post contains links Usnseallt82 : All those who think FEMA and the government are to blame for not getting the people out, please watch this: http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...9/0
61 AeroWesty : I saw that when it played on 360 with Anderson Cooper. My immediate reaction was if they've made a choice to stay behind, there should be a policy of
62 Halls120 : Another ignorant and uninformed post. The flood walls that failed were reinforced only to withstand a category III storm. According to the Army COE,
63 KC135R : I just watched Bill O'Reilly's show and he interviewed fellow anchor Sheppard Smith who was broadcasting from NO all last week - Smith said that reli
64 Usnseallt82 : I should have said the overwhelming majority of those ALIVE over the past 2-3 days. Me too. And its this lack of knowledge by the Bush-bashers that k
65 SFOMEX : Facts don't matter here. Don't you see it? It's all about that evil bastard, Bush! It's all his fault. If you don't see it it's because you are a rig
66 Flight152 : Here's where the age comes into play again Don't even talk to me about age, espically from someone that is bearly a few years older. At 21-25, don't e
67 Usnseallt82 : I have never debated this fact. That is why it ISN'T FEMA's f*cking fault! They have rules to abide by and people think they can just swing in there
68 Post contains links KC135R : The water from the lake is what flooded the city, that's what I meant - I don't know the name of the actual levees but I know it was water from lake
69 Halls120 : I agree. Bush should share some of the blame. But you don't see anyone pointing fingers at the dozens of other leaders that bear equal respobisbility
70 EA CO AS : I agree that age isn't always a great barometer of wisdom, but it probably would have been best to keep this to yourself if for no other reason than
71 Post contains images KC135R : Not the end of the story - the bureaucracy they talked about was from within the organization - NOT from the outside as you seem to think. For exampl
72 Usnseallt82 : That's fine. I'm sure it happened to many people. But you're acting like he waited before releasing any aid until he knew for sure that the city had
73 KC135R : First off... IMO - completely uncalled for. I hear you - all 50 times you said it - can you provide a source as to this delay in asking for help? I tr
74 Post contains links Flyingbronco05 : I love this quote: "The president has put himself at risk by visiting the troops in Iraq, but didn't venture anywhere near the Superdome or the Conven
75 Halls120 : § 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401} All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Gover
76 Texan : How about this: everybody calm down and shut up, find a solution to get the people out safely, to make sure all affected are taken care of, and, once
77 KC135R : Thank you, but I meant a source as to when the Governor actually asked for federal help. Also, Halls you can probably help here with your background,
78 Halls120 : Yes, it did. However, it has long been FEMA policy that states and localities must be prepared to shoulder the initial response to a disaster. In fac
79 J_Hallgren : As a resident of FL for many years, we were always told to not expect federal help for a minimum of 3 days, and more likely 4-5 days, depending on sev
80 DL021 : THere's an idea! Prioritizing and focussing energy on solutions rather than blame right this minute might be a good idea..... there will be plenty of
81 DL021 : THere's an idea! Prioritizing and focusing energy on solutions rather than blame right this minute might be a good idea..... there will be plenty of
82 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Thanks, you beat me to it. I say it very confidently because CNN and Fox could only speculate as to what the damage was from their aerial shots and o
83 Halls120 : In this instance, had the feds jumped the gun and gone into New Orleans in advance, everyone would be looking the other way in regard to the violatio
84 KC135R : So did that give FEMA the authority to take over the situation or not? I am not 100% clear here, I get what you guys are saying about having to be as
85 Usnseallt82 : Exactly. Laws are not always written to encompass every single possible situation...in fact, they rarely do. So if the situation had been different,
86 Usnseallt82 : I agree completely. But the problem facing lawmakers today is that of weighing the consequences of changing it. Is it worth allowing a federal entity
87 Post contains images KC135R : This is the second time today that we agreed in basic principle, but got way off course before finding that agreement - you and I are going to need t
88 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Yes, probably due to my extreme lack of sleep and dwindling consciousness. But I look forward to talking with you more about this tomorrow. I enjoy t
89 EA CO AS : No, the declaration of a disaster area by the President is merely a formality, but an important one in that it frees up Federal money for the relief
90 Post contains links ReguPilot : I haven't read the whole post, or most of it, but here are my thoughts: I've was born in the Caribbean, and had been living here ever since. I used to
91 Post contains images Halls120 : FEMA is statutorily charged with coordinating the federal response to a disaster with local officials. I'd have to do some additional research to be
92 Post contains links Iakobos : http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hurricane-pam.htm This provides some insight on the level of "official awareness" in 2005, after a surprisi
93 Post contains images TedTAce : Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Can I win your money? How much water are the buses in? Bill Clinton did more for minorities than any republican president
94 Post contains links Schoenorama : " Joseph Suhayda, an emeritus engineering professor at Louisiana State University who has worked for the Army Corps of Engineers, said the corps simp
95 Post contains links B2707SST : I just found this article via a Wikipedia link. If the unnamed sources it quotes are accurate, Blanco's response has been shocking: Behind the scenes
96 Post contains links Braybuddy : This is a guy who supported Bush when he was first elected, and was (and still is) 100% behind him in the Iraq war. http://www.andrewsullivan.com/ He
97 Post contains links Dan-Air : This is a crock of crap. Following your link to the Washington Post article here and note the added: Correction to This Article A Sept. 4 article on
98 B2707SST : Good to know that part of the article was in error -- the alternative would have been completely indefensible. However, it still appears that Blanco
99 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Most people would have used those busses BEFORE they were in water . Bush has more minorities in his cabinet than the "first black President" ever di
100 Usnseallt82 : How much water was in them before the hurricane hit? Not a good argument. And having a few other issues on your plate, oh let's say Sept. 11, the war
101 Post contains links Braybuddy : Here's the piece I was talking about above. This is from a guy who has strongly defended President Bush in the past, and supported the Iraq war 100%,
102 Post contains images Zippyjet : Whatever: All you need to do is get Ann Coulter to strut onto Fox Network news in one of her barley there micro miniskirts and say the same thing and
103 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Very good point indeed....
104 BN747 : True. And that's a lie and you know it. I've listed the cabinents of both here before. Do your research and post it here-- and compare. What amazes m
105 Post contains images MxCtrlr : WHAT????? Isn't The Weather Channel available in NOLA? Does the Mayor not know how to listen to NWS, NOAA or TWC? All of them were advertising this w
106 Post contains images Halls120 : While I agree with the above, the sad fact about this country today is that taking personal responsibility for one's own mistakes is no longer the no
107 NumberTwelve : Come on,Airlinerfreak - when George W plays guitar, he plays guitar. When George W has holidays, he has holidays. Quite a busy man! I for myself wond
108 Roger136913 : Well said Halls........... A lot of People are not taking responsibility and depending on the Government way too much. What did the city of NO or the
109 Jaysit : Ben Stein is a political whore, part of those noisemakers who are trotted out to defend GWB whenever the poor dauphin king can't take the heat. When w
110 EA CO AS : The correct answer: D) It doesn't matter - because Governors and Presidents are, by definition, SUPPOSED to react differently to natural disasters ba
111 BN747 : Muahha ha ha ha... uh huh... sure. Halls your reply in post 106 is very accurate re:no one wanting to accept blame... then for some reason, you take
112 Halls120 : I lived in New Orleans for four years. On three occasions, I boarded up my windows and made preparations for leaving town on account of an oncoming s
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