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Fema Sends Refugees To Wrong Charleston  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1087 times:

This who thing is looking more and more like one contiuous bureaucratic nightmare.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.charleston/index.html

Inexcusable.

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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1079 times:

Somebody fucked up. This is like 4th grade geography. Gawd.



 spin 


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1070 times:

That is what you get when you create a massive new governmental agency without much thought or planning.

Right after 9/11, we created TSA, one of the worst government agencies ever imagined. Not content to rest on those laurels, we took several agencies that were fairly well-functioning where they were - Border Patrol and Customs - and put them together in a new agency with a new structure that rivals TSA in inefficiency.

I see it on a daily basis in DC, and it is simply amazing how bad we've fu^&ed this one up.....


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
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Hey, everyone was hammering the administration to create the DHS and now they got it.

When you are moving thousands of people it ain't that hard to make a mistake where you send some when no one specifies the state. Communications are easily broken in any bureaucracy.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Somebody fucked up. This is like 4th grade geography

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At this point in time, any small mistake by FEMA will be brought to the forefront therefore, no mistake is authorized . . . the continuing black eye is starting to get very swollen.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Hey, everyone was hammering the administration to create the DHS and now they got it.

When you are moving thousands of people it ain't that hard to make a mistake where you send some when no one specifies the state. Communications are easily broken in any bureaucracy.

What, the gold-plated Homeland Security Operations Center doesn't have a map of the US?

One of the basic reasons for creating DHS was the argument that we needed all these disparate agencies together so they could talk to one another. AND THEY STILL CAN'T!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Hey, everyone was hammering the administration to create the DHS and now they got it.

It isn't DHS that was the problem-it was taking away the autonomy of FEMA, and taking FEMA out of hands of a capable guy like James Lee Witt. They de-clawed FEMA so resources could be sent "cough" elsewhere.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
What, the gold-plated Homeland Security Operations Center doesn't have a map of the US?

Oh, Halls, they got all sorts of neat-o maps. They just don't have intelligence to use them. Apparently quite basic intelligence.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Hey, everyone was hammering the administration to create the DHS and now they got it.

Like who???

I personally have NEVER liked this idea (bureaucracy's upon more bureaucracy)! I've always felt we've had everything we needed.. we just needed assert more emphasis on those collecting paychecks (in whatever agency) to f*n start earning them... I don't mean the low-level 'crats... I mean the higher ups who busy comparing the perks with pals in other departments!

What we're seeing clearly of DHS is simply another enormous information gather operation-- that's it!


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
When you are moving thousands of people it ain't that hard to make a mistake where you send some when no one specifies the state.

Plain and simple. Someone tells me to bring people to Charlestown, my immediate response is: "What state? Give me complete information, or don't give me any." If I did my job that poorly, I'd be fired.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 995 times:

At least we can thank them for not crashing the plane... At least it landed safely, somewhere.


redngold
Who thinks a lot of kids (past, present and future) slept through geography one too many times



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 995 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Hey, everyone was hammering the administration to create the DHS and now they got it.

It isn't DHS that was the problem-it was taking away the autonomy of FEMA, and taking FEMA out of hands of a capable guy like James Lee Witt. They de-clawed FEMA so resources could be sent "cough" elsewhere.

DHS is part of the problem, unfortunately. I see it almost on a daily basis. First of all, even if FEMA hadn't been brought into the DHS fold, it would have been an isolated cast-off the past three years. DHS is an inside the beltway bureaucracy that is consuming everything in its path. The Pentagon is the only agency that can keep them at bay. And with DHS, fighting terrorism is priority #1. Virtually everything else is just about invisible in the policy making sphere.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 991 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 10):
At least we can thank them for not crashing the plane... At least it landed safely, somewhere.

 checkmark 

Good one, Red. Sooo true!


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 909 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 9):
Plain and simple. Someone tells me to bring people to Charlestown, my immediate response is: "What state? Give me complete information, or don't give me any." If I did my job that poorly, I'd be fired.

Yes, but in government its "If I did my job properly, I'd be fired."



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 891 times:
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What does FEMA stand for?


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 887 times:

I'd like to see where the Manchester flight ends up.

Mark


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 884 times:
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Did it look like I was defending DHS's creation? Didn't mean to do that. The basic good idea to coordinate all the activities and informations of the agencies responsible for the security of our great homeland and in theory putting them under one leader so that they share informations rather than compete and withhold, but I have yet to meet a government bureaucracy that I like or think to be efficient......especially a new one.

That said, everyone here is hyperprimed to jump on anything that goes wrong. I'd like to see whether everyone here does their jobs perfectly under constant scrutiny, and then whether they take that into account when examining the job done by the people in this situation.

There's going to be a time for a review and correction.....I just don't think that now is the time.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 864 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
I'd like to see where the Manchester flight ends up.

Think of the possibilities for FEMA to screw up!:

Rochester, MN, or Rochester, NY?

Manchester, NH, or Manchester, UK?

Portland, ME, or Portland, OR?

Maybe they'd even confuse West Palm Beach and Palm Springs.


FEMA needs to become an independent agency again, and it needs to have someone like Mr. Witt running it again. He did a solid job under Clinton with that agency.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 14):
What does FEMA stand for?

Federal Emergency Management Administration

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Manchester, NH, or Manchester, UK?

or Manchester, Indiana (although I don't think there's an airport, there certainly is a Greyhound stop...)



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 840 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
I'd like to see where the Manchester flight ends up.

Mark

MAN tower, Southwest 9247 inbound runway ** approach.

MAN tower guy: WTF??

Seriously though, this is retarded.



This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
At this point in time, any small mistake by FEMA will be brought to the forefront therefore, no mistake is authorized . . . the continuing black eye is starting to get very swollen.

I thought it was all the Mayor and Govenor's fault?  duck 


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 14):
What does FEMA stand for?

Federal Excuse-Making Agency

. . . apparently

Actually they are the Federal Emergency Management Agency. This title explains a lot. When there is a problem, our Government creates an agency to address it. The charter of such an agency is to MANAGE and not to SOLVE the problem.

What you and I would call "clean air" and "clean water" the Environmental Protection Agency would call a disaster. If the problem goes away so does their budget. Not one Federal agency actually has a vested interest in solving the problems it was created to address. So the problems get (only slightly) worse each year, except election years.

And millions of Americans want National Health Insurance run by an agency like this.
Go figure!



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 817 times:

Actually I am prepared to cut FEMA some slack here. As an old SAC veteran friend of mine used to say: "You've got to expect losses in an operation this size." Of course he said it ruefully.

We saw a jet charter go to Bakersfield California instead of Seattle Washington once. Easy enough: BFL instead of BFI. Mistook the "I" for a lower-case "L" I suppose. We were just glad they didn't go to Honolulu when we sent them to Helena Montana (HNL - HLN)

It is laughable, it makes them look like bumblers, and not for the first time, but it can happen.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 806 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
And millions of Americans want National Health Insurance run by an agency like this.
Go figure!

As opposed to no insurance, right? Yeah, having no health insurance for a significant percentage of the population is always the more efficient way to go.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 794 times:

Let's all prey that such mis-deeds are NOT the "standard" ! whatever .. our political positions may be. What is at stake is the fate of already hampered people

25 Falcon84 : I don't think Americans having insurance was the point-as many people pointed out to Bill and Hillary in '93, do we REALLY want a government bureaucr
26 Dan-Air : Oh I know what the "point" was: "look how bad FEMA is, imagine how bad Natl.Ins. would be in the same hands." It's a ridiculous assertion. Clinton re
27 Logan22L : In a related development, some 2,500 evacuees were scheduled to arrive on Cape Cod yesterday. The state mobilized volunteers, doctors, and military pe
28 SlamClick : Insanity is often described as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. Given that absolutely every Government
29 DL021 : What other country in the world offers choices of accomodations to evacuees? If the aid is free then I don't see why the evacuees need to worry about
30 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Then you didn't read far enough through my posts TedT . . . I never, ever said FEMA was not at fault . . . please, go back, re-read them and get back
31 Post contains images TPASXM787 : see this: Yeah gov't insurance would be great...just another piece of my freedom taken away and higher taxes and more bullshit...so I can give more $
32 Dan-Air : If you have health insurance, you ALREADY pay for the uninsured - they use the emergency rooms at no charge, and the cost is passed onto insurance co
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