Catatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3 Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Ok, how would I go about getting a US passport? I dont really want to live there but I get a bit fed up standing in the que's for immigration. Last time it was about an hour and US nationals went straight through. So I decided I want to become an American as I dont do queing very well. And lets face it, you get treated like shit by the immigration officials, when I was at JFK this bunch of Italians got threatened to be sent straight back because they had not filled in the forms properly. So I guess getting a passport must be pretty easy, I mean how many foreign cab drivers are there in NY anyway? This guy from Morocco got one and now he's applying for the whole of his family to go live there! Like I said, its not like I want to live there and usurp all the jobs and state benefits, just go there for the odd shopping trip and stuff so whats the problem?
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7533 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Is this serious? If it is LOL
If its not. LMAO. I am confused here.
I dont think its a good idea to get a US passport for that reason alone. Also I dot think it would be very easy to get one without having a place of residence in the US. Getting a US passport is not an easy thing to do.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Arrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 7): Getting a US passport is not an easy thing to do.
This can't be a serious question. Only citizens of the US can get US passports -- just like every other country in the world. If you want a US passport, first immigrate and get landed immigrant status, wait 5 years, apply for US citizenship, then apply for the passport. Very simple, if they let you in in the first place.
What a stupid idea.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Omoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
Quoting Catatonic (Thread starter): Ok, how would I go about getting a US passport? I dont really want to live there but I get a bit fed up standing in the que's for immigration. Last time it was about an hour and US nationals went straight through. So I decided I want to become an American as I dont do queing very well. And lets face it, you get treated like shit by the immigration officials, when I was at JFK this bunch of Italians got threatened to be sent straight back because they had not filled in the forms properly. So I guess getting a passport must be pretty easy, I mean how many foreign cab drivers are there in NY anyway? This guy from Morocco got one and now he's applying for the whole of his family to go live there! Like I said, its not like I want to live there and usurp all the jobs and state benefits, just go there for the odd shopping trip and stuff so whats the problem?
Immigrating to the US/getting US citizenship is not easy at it used to be. Things have changed a lot since September 10, 2001. I am affraid you will have to line up like everyone else. A shortcut will be to have a special skill (needed skill), things like Super Smart Scientist or invest a lot of money in the US. All the cab drivers who have US citizenship have probably been here for more than 5 years (they were lucky) or had fake marriages, these days if you have not established residence tough luck.
Assuming this isn't a joke, the easiest way is limited to marriage to a US citizen. But you'll get tested to make sure it isn't a sham (such as questions like 'what colour is her toothbrush, who is her favourite pop group etc).
Quoting Omoo (Reply 9): A shortcut will be to have a special skill (needed skill), things like Super Smart Scientist or invest a lot of money in the US
You won't get a US passport with investing, you'll get a visa that allows you to be in the US as long as your company is up & running (I know, I've got one). I'm pretty sure you won't get a passport if you're super skilled either, just a visa.
We've been looking at moving abroad and the US is pretty much impossible to get into unless you're A) Especially skilled, B) Marrying a Yank or C) Setting up a business over there or D) a Green Card. The UK can't take part in the Green Card lottery, and there's only a certain number of places available anyway, so that leaves it to A, B or C. B isn't an option since I'm married already and A is only an option if you're mega skilled (some sort of scientist, or an entertainer etc). C is only an option if you're willing to ply thousands and thousands of dollars into the US economy so it pretty much rules it out!
Oh and presuming you get past this stage, you then have to wait a couple of years and apply again for citizenship when the whole process pretty much starts again.
Looking at it, the US seems to be the most difficult place to get into, along with Australia/NZ. Canada is pretty cool at the moment and we could get in on points, we're going over in January to have a look around as my wife has never been before we start filling in the forms.
The foreigners driving cabs most likely used the green card route and got lucky!
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2481 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13): Should be a green card in a Cracker Jack box somewhere.
*UAL laughing his ass off*
Edited: Isn't the naturalization time 17 yrs or something like that? Anyway, yes, getting into the US and becoming a citizen is even more difficult now. The benefits are pretty good of doing such, but the thing is, why come to a country where you have no ties? A long time ago, when the US was having it's first immigrants up until after WWII, there were places to conquer, and resources to work with. Now there is hardly any place that isn't developed or owned by someone. It's not like you would be able to come here, un-sponsored by a company, and set up a nice house for you and your children. This is why I don't understand illegal immigration from Mexico. Unless you have a full US citizenship, you are never going to get a high paying job and live a typical middle class life, unless you work yourselves off as domestic help, or some kind of trade. Colleges won't take you or your children, and EVERY large corporation checks to see if you are allowed to work in the US, unless you come here speaking AMERICAN English, have AMERICAN mannerisms, KNOW AMERICAN culture, and look AMERICAN...otherwise, they'll be checking out exactly WHO you are.
That being said, my friend Matt and his family immigrated from Canada to the US (albeit when he was 8 yrs old in 1988). His father is a doctor and left Canada because medicine is so socialized, or at least that is what he said, and he would make more money in the US. And, I have a bucnh of friends who's parents immigrated from India, Pakistan, and Lebanon. The lebanese population in OKC that I know is pretty much 2nd generation as their parents were the ones who immigrated. But as said before, their parents are and probably were, very well off, doctors.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
Quoting Catatonic (Thread starter): Ok, how would I go about getting a US passport? I dont really want to live there but I get a bit fed up standing in the que's for immigration.
If you don't like to queue up at US immigration, then take a flight to the US that arrives at times where there is not much arrival traffic or use airlines with their own immigration at their terminal. For example, AA flights from LHR-JFK arrive at their own terminal and if you fly on either AA107 or AA141 (9:05pm and 10:45pm arrival) you will find no queue. You can also use airports with not much immigration traffic or with huge immigration facilities (ie. IAH/DFW/PHX/DTW, etc) as your gateway to the US and then connect to your final destination.
I have seen the opposite. I flew MEX-DFW-LGW last March (during the last day of spring break) and just had a 1 hour connecting time in DFW. When I saw the line for immigration, I was sure I would not make my LGW flight. Then a lady said "foreign nationals, please proceed to the front of the line, US nationals, please stay here". You will not believe the line for US nationals, it was huuuuge. It only took me 10 minutes to clear immigration while it should have been like an hour for US nationals...
Have you ever seen the line for immigration for non-EU citizens at LHR? Every time I have flown into LHR from the US, the long is huge. A friend of mine has an American father and therefore an American passport. He had to wait 3 hours in a line for immigration at LHR. Much worse than when the Brits have to queue in the US (most I have waited in 30 mins).
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2448 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15): Isn't the naturalization time 17 yrs or something like that?
Naturalization takes 5 years. I'm happy that I have US passport. Its good to have it in Europe (go to lines All other passports), usually there is no line because everybody goes to EU lines. Coming back to US - dont have to wait hours in line with turists.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
ah yes...this topic again....
trust me, there are some that lived there (hint), that paid taxes, spoke the language properly and trained flight students - but they were denied Green Cards...you're going for the Citizenship...the gold!
Life is unfair, so you might end up being like those tons of Cubans and Mexicans that can't speak a word of English, but are allowed to live and work in the usa....
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2388 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 20): You will likely get a green card under sponsorship from your employer
If I remember correctly, a green card is just another name for a permanent resident visa. When you are sponsored by an employer, you get either an H or L visa first (temporary resident visa) which you can change to a permanent resident visa after some time (three or five years, don't remember). Then you can apply for Citizenship (after 5 years?).
: I think that might come uder the special skill category. You really are living up to your user name, CATATONIC!
: You cannot get into the USA on a Green Card if you were born in the UK. The Green Card scheme excludes the UK. Take a look at http://uscis.gov/graphic
: That's what i ment to say. You do not get Citizenship right away. It takes 5 years after getting a green card to get citizenship if you are not marri
: If this is meant to be a serious answer then you must believe in Aliens and the tooth fairy It doesn't happen that way. If you want to go down the ma
: If you're on an investor's visa you'll never get citizenship. You have to re-apply for the visa every 5 yrs (and that involves a trip to the UE Embas
: Naturalization is 5 years. Not true. As long as you have permanent residency i.e. a green card, you can work here, and compared to the UK, most jobs
: Whoops, I should have explained myself better, or rather, not said I what I did. What I meant to say, is it will be very difficult for you here if yo
: Assuming no serious brushes with the law...otherwise, forget it...
: Not entirely true. UK citizens aren't eligible for the Green Card lottery. However, there is no shortage of UK citizens living in the US on green car
: You guessed wrong. It's not easy. The Morrocan and other cab drivers you refer to have likely been in the states for years on Green Card status pendi