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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Hillary, Hillary. What can I say?

Yesterday, Hillary Clinton went racing down to TX to bash Bush. She said that Federal emergency planning under President Bush has become "a recipe for disaster," and said FEMA ran far more effectively under her husband's watch.

Clinton is pushing legislation to take FEMA back out of the Department of Homeland Security.

Umm, Hillary, was it not YOU that voted FOR this bill to put FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security?? Huh? You say it was better when it was by itself, but YOU voted for it to go to Homeland Security? Are you saying that you and others that voted for it are now responsible for FEMA's failures? Is that what you are saying??? No, of course not. It's Bush's fault. I voted for it, but don't blame me.

I'm just waiting for the "I want you to listen, I did NOT vote for that bill, the FEMA bill."

Oh, after rushing down to TX to give this speech, what did she do? Go to LA and help people? Nope... went back to D.C.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Yesterday, Hillary Clinton went racing down to TX to bash Bush. She said that Federal emergency planning under President Bush has become "a recipe for disaster," and said FEMA ran far more effectively under her husband's watch.

Truth hurts there. James Lee Witt was a much better FEMA administrator than Mr. Brown is. And he wasn't hamstrung by being a layer in DHC.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Clinton is pushing legislation to take FEMA back out of the Department of Homeland Security.

Makes sense. Might become more nimble, more responsive than being just another card in the deck at Homeland Security.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Umm, Hillary, was it not YOU that voted FOR this bill to put FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security??

Wasn't it George Bush who SIGNED IT? Now, be fair-although, for you, I know that's hard, GuitrThree.

Put this down as another "I Hate Hillary" bashfest, started, in part, to deflect criticism from President Bush in the wake of this castatrophe.

Amazing, you bash Mrs. Clinton, but I've seen you nary say a peep about the peformance of Mr. Bush's hand-picked lieutenants at FEMA and DHC, and, perhaps, how he himself was lacking when this crisis hit.

Typical GOP playbook.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Wasn't it George Bush who SIGNED IT? Now, be fair-although, for you, I know that's hard, GuitrThree

Umm, Falcon, GWB isn't the one running around the country saying it should not be part of Homeland security. Thats my point! She is using it as an attempt to smear Bush, but SHE VOTED FOR IT!!!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Put this down as another "I Hate Hillary" bashfest, started, in part, to deflect criticism from President Bush in the wake of this castatrophe.

No, thats not the point. The point is that this Women will do and say anything to do what she thinks will get her elected.

In 2001/2002, after the WTC attacks, she thought it would be in her best interest to vote for the Homeland security act. She thought voting for Homeland Security would be popular.

Now, in 2005, after FEMA's errors, she now thinks it needs to be on its own, because it ran better under her Husbands watch. With all this negative press right now, she thinks that would be popular.

That is the point of this post. She does nothing but play the crowd. She's a poll watcher who talks based on the results. Unfortunately, for her, most of the polls come from the left biased media.

Sorry Falcon, but that's what she is doing. And if she is running for President, this needs to be pointed out. I know you're slobbering over the day to have another Clinton in office, so instead of trying to address this, you, as always, just push it off to "Typical GOP playbook."

Try Falcon, just once, to defend her on her vote to move FEMA TO Homeland Security, and then 3 years later go on a rant about how bad it runs under Homeland Security.

Please, defend that statement.

[Edited 2005-09-08 06:07:26]


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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Bush started the giant Washington government money pit called "homeland security" what a joke. Now the republicans are falling back on their tried and true method of attacking the people that make them look bad. Its the Black mayor & democrat govenors fault. How sickening. Truth is after billions of dollars this country is worse off then it was before 9-11. Only more racist then ever.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
Umm, Falcon, GWB isn't the one running around the country saying it should not be part of Homeland security.

Of course he's not! Dude can never, EVER admit to a mistake. He never has, he never will. It was a mistake for it to be proposed to be in there. And many on both sides of the aisle see that now. But this president won't even admit his war is a mistake, so you think he's going to admit putting FEMA inside DHS is? Never.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
In 2001/2002, after the WTC attacks, she thought it would be in her best interest to vote for the Homeland security act. She thought voting for Homeland Security would be popular.

Her and 535 freaking other members of Congress. Jesus, what's your point! Everyone voted for it! Yet you single her out? And why? FOR SOMEONE TO BLAME OTHER THAN BUSH OR THE GOP, that's why. That's the only reason. She voted for it because she felt it was right. You separate her from every other member of Congress, because of her name, and your hatred of her.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
Now, in 2005, after FEMA's errors, she now thinks it needs to be on its own,

And anyone with half a brain agrees. Again, what's your point? You make it sound as if she's the only one saying this. She's not. You're going to see EXACTLY THAT come out of the investigation into this mess, so again, you're looking for a red herring to take pressure off of Mr. Bush. And no one is buying it.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
She does nothing but play the crowd.

And Mr. Bush doesn't? What was that love-fest with those two black women when he finally went to the Gulf the other day? Spontaneous love? I doubt it. Agian, you single her out for something that is not solely her quality, and it's stupid; it's insulting and it's simply a way to deflect criticism.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
Try Falcon, just once, to defend her on her vote to move FEMA TO Homeland Security, and then 3 years later go on a rant about how bad it runs under Homeland Security.

Please, defend that statement.

ROTFL. What's to defend. Seems to me all of Congress felt that way 3 years ago, and it seems to me many of those same people now don't think FEMA should be part of DHS. Again, you single out this one person for reasons of hatred, and nothing else.

On this one, you come up way short. I suppose when FEMA is separated from DHS, as it should be, after this performance, you'll try to give Bush the credit.


User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
She does nothing but play the crowd. She's a poll watcher who talks based on the results.

You just described every single politician in DC and across the country and around the world. Unless you're Castro you probably are "playing the crowd" and "watching the polls".



I think your beef is with the political system not Hillary.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4620 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
And anyone with half a brain agrees. Again, what's your point? You make it sound as if she's the only one saying this. She's not. You're going to see EXACTLY THAT come out of the investigation into this mess, so again, you're looking for a red herring to take pressure off of Mr. Bush. And no one is buying it.

Also you're making out that people can't change their minds several years later. Of course, when you see things in action, it will either live up to expectations or not - and if not, you change your opinion. Simple human nature.

Trent.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
Also you're making out that people can't change their minds several years later.

Exactly. A sign of a person who learns is someone who can admit to a mistake. One problem with our current president, is he doesn't learn-he doesn't ever admit, even to himself, that he ever makes a mistake. And that's why we're in some of the messes we're in.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
And that's why we're in some of the messes we're in.

 redflag 

Should read:
And that's why we're in ALL of the FEDERAL level messes we're in.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 3):
Bush started the giant Washington government money pit called "homeland security" what a joke.

Ummm, Dc10guy, Homeland Security was designed and brought to the floor by Joe Lieberman. Bush originally was against it. Wonder why NONE of the liberals here kindly corrected you on your error.

Falcon,
again, I don't see ANY OTHER MEMBER OF CONGRESS taking a flight half way across the country to do this. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt to get her in the light. She NEVER once, in her speech, mentioned the fact that she was wrong in her vote. NEVER.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
Also you're making out that people can't change their minds several years later. Of course, when you see things in action, it will either live up to expectations or not - and if not, you change your opinion. Simple human nature.

Never said there was a problem changing your mind. Never. We do make mistakes. But Mrs. Clinton isn't blaming Congress. She isn't blaming herself. She isn't blaming Lieberman. She is putting 100% of the blame on Bush, simple partisan politics, again, to get her elected.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):
She does nothing but play the crowd.

And Mr. Bush doesn't?

You guys love her. I know that. But unlike Clinton, Bush doesn't play the crowd.

Umm no. He does what he wants. Isn't that what you guys are always yelling about? He took on Social Security, even if it wasn't "poll" popular. He continues the Iraq rebuilding, even if it isn't "poll" popular. I can go on and on.



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
He continues the Iraq rebuilding, even if it isn't "poll" popular. I can go on and on.

Thats because he HAS to do it. You must be incredibly stupid if you think he does it by his own free will. I'll bet my arse of that he don't give a shit about it and he just want it do disapear.


User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
You guys love her. I know that. But unlike Clinton, Bush doesn't play the crowd.








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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 10):
Thats because he HAS to do it. You must be incredibly stupid if you think he does it by his own free will. I'll bet my arse of that he don't give a shit about it and he just want it do disapear.

Yea, he can care less about Iraq. Yep.

"He don't give a shit about it.." and "he just want it do disapear." I'm the one who's stupid? Did you even read what you wrote?

No, he doesn't HAVE to do it.. listen to some on the left that they demand he gets out now. They are saying we need an exit strategy now. They were saying that back at the 2004 election. Bush is staying until the job is done, he said that from the start and he continues that path, popular or not.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
James Lee Witt was a much better FEMA administrator than Mr. Brown is

I'd believe you Falcon, if Witt wasn't the Disaster Guru advising on things in Baton Rouge this past 10 days. I'm speculative at this point. I had always thought the same thing . . . but you sure couldn't prove it in Louisiana right now.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
I'd believe you Falcon, if Witt wasn't the Disaster Guru advising on things in Baton Rouge this past 10 days. I'm speculative at this point. I had always thought the same thing . . . but you sure couldn't prove it in Louisiana right now.

Witt was hired by the Governor on Monday September 5th AFTER all this shit happened.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting NUair (Reply 11):
NUair From United States, joined Jun 2000, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted Thu Sep 8 2005 15:46:09 UTC+2 and read 34 times:


Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
You guys love her. I know that. But unlike Clinton, Bush doesn't play the crowd.

And Nuair's pics that followed get a



He leveled you, Guitarboy. Bush plays the crowed more than any president in recent history. That circus on the carrier was one example. And don't tell me he wasn't "playing the crowed" when he first visited last week down there. He was.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
Never said there was a problem changing your mind.

That's EXACTLY what you're saying, and now you're flip-flopping to cover yoru own ass, that is getting raked over the coals! You're giving her grief for changing her mind. Plus, you give her grief simply because you HATE HER. And you're doing it to deflect critcism away from Mr. Bush.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Put this down as another "I Hate Hillary" bashfest, started, in part, to deflect criticism from President Bush in the wake of this castatrophe.

Damn strait. I'm sorry GuitrThree, but threads like this make you look like a world class hypocrite.

Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 3):
Now the republicans are falling back on their tried and true method of attacking the people that make them look bad.

Too true. Was it always like this?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 1349 times:

GuitrThree:
Go ahead and buy one of these. Stick as many needles in it all you want and have yourself a ball.
I know you hate her so much without any reason at all.
The Hillary bashing is so 90s.
It's played out man.
Time to sing a new tune.




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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 14):
Witt was hired by the Governor on Monday September 5th AFTER all this shit happened.

OK, what's the point?

Day late and dollar short - typical for Blanco.

So far, Witt hasn't shown me squat. LTG Honore' - he's running the show . . .


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
But unlike Clinton, Bush doesn't play the crowd.

I can't believe people honestly believe this, can you say that with a straight face?

By the way, the Dept of Homeland Security was the Bush Administrations idea, which would 'seamlessly' integrate all departments and not create a government burocracy that led to the 9-11 attacks never getting stopped.

Hillary signed the bill because she wanted to keep her job. Anyone that went against that administration during that time would be most definitely out of office, such as Max Cleland (I think I spelled his name right) who was a vietnam vet who lost limbs in the war yet was labeled unpatriotic for not supporting the Star Wars Defense program.

I dislike Hillary, but you have to understand that a politician is a politician. They are all the same, they just fight for different teams (corporations)


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6774 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Hillary has also come around to suddenly expressing concern about our border security....

Amazing what an impending presidential run will do for one's outlook.

She's positioning herself as a centrist, aligning herself with the crowd on hot topics such as illegal immigration, and posing as a conservative just as Bill did in 1992.

Nothing surprising here...


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Umm, Hillary, was it not YOU that voted FOR this bill to put FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security??

Wasn't it George Bush who SIGNED IT? Now, be fair-although, for you, I know that's hard, GuitrThree.

Well, she did vote for it. Now she's against it, and ignoring the history of her involvement by blaming it all on President Bush when she supported it along with everyone else who thought that a new bureaucracy in DC would be a good idea.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Yesterday, Hillary Clinton went racing down to TX to bash Bush. She said that Federal emergency planning under President Bush has become "a recipe for disaster," and said FEMA ran far more effectively under her husband's watch.

Truth hurts there. James Lee Witt was a much better FEMA administrator than Mr. Brown is. And he wasn't hamstrung by being a layer in DHC.

IT seems that Witt did a good job with FEMA. I wonder whether he would have had an impact on a Cat 4 hurricane hitting three states with full force and an unevacuated New Orleans and then flooding it with water....he was never tested by that. Its easy to win at USC when you don't have to play a team made up of NFL ProBowlers coached by Joe Gibbs and Vince Lombardi. Not taking from Witt, but this was the worst storm in living memory to hit the US. All that said...Mr.Brown has some explaining to do, as do all the other on-scene leaders of the various agencies. THere was a two day bottleneck that needs to be explored and prevented in the future.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Clinton is pushing legislation to take FEMA back out of the Department of Homeland Security.

Makes sense. Might become more nimble, more responsive than being just another card in the deck at Homeland Security.

I'll second that. FEMA's hand needs to be free in the field, and reports indicate that they have to get reviewed on field decisions prior to acting on them, and that's like President Johnson talking to the tail gunner on the B-52 over SE Asia.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 9):
Bush originally was against it. Wonder why NONE of the liberals here kindly corrected you on your error.

Because it does not suit their current desires.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 12):
"He don't give a shit about it.." and "he just want it do disapear." I'm the one who's stupid? Did you even read what you wrote?

In his defense he's writing a language that is foreign to him and spelling errors on OYRJA's part should not really be held against him. If you speak good Danish perhaps you could write him an IM sharing your grammatical revisions to his post.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

If Hillary Clinton becomes President, that will be a big reason to celebrate!  bigthumbsup 

She will be an outstanding President if she gets elected. I just don't think she will though.  Sad



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 12):
"He don't give a shit about it.." and "he just want it do disapear." I'm the one who's stupid? Did you even read what you wrote?

In his defense he's writing a language that is foreign to him and spelling errors on OYRJA's part should not really be held against him. If you speak good Danish perhaps you could write him an IM sharing your grammatical revisions to his post.



Damn, GuitrThree just pulled himself off the canvas, and Ian the Terrible puts him right back down.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Anyone but a fool knows that Hillary has had her eye on the White House since at least 1996. You may love her or hate her, but you have to admit that she's a shrewd politician and knows how to play one poll against another and carpetbag. Of course, that's largely what most politicians do, as noted above. But in her case, because she's so high profile, like her husband and George W, she is (rightly or wrongly) going to be a lightning rod. It just goes with the territory.

There is no question that she will make a bid in 2008. But again, RUNNING is not the same as WINNING.

Although I think that the '08 Presidential Winner is up for grabs, I don't think she has much chance of winning it. While there is no doubt that she will win in the traditionally Democrat strongholds such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, most of the rest of the country still can't stomach her. Some see her as too close to Bill and hate her by association. Others see through her transparent attempt at winning over the middle. Others just don't like her, period. And to some, it's all of the above.

Plus, not to sound sexist, I just don't think the US is ready for a woman President yet. If/when we are, it will be someone more along the lines of Condelezza Rice. Condie has 4 things in her favor politically: 1. She's a woman. 2. She's black. 3. She's center-right. 4. She draws nowhere near the amount of hositility that Hillary does.


25 Logan22L : Make that 5: She goes shoe shopping and catches a Broadway play during a national emergency.
26 DL021 : Just for the record, there is no doubt in my mind that Hillary has been positioning herself for a run at the Presidency in the next election. Anyone t
27 Post contains images Logan22L : I did.
28 SATX : I don't see how Hillary Clinton is anymore disingenuous than most other politicians in this regard. She would be a fool to run for President consider
29 Post contains links and images NUair : Make that 6: Chevron named a f*&%ing oil tanker after her (of course it was re-named after she was brought into Bush's cabinet). In a country run by
30 Eatmybologna : I'm not sure if you really should be hoping for her to run and become elected as our next President. She 's one of my State's senators, and she has d
31 Superfly : Well that is in the Rust-Belt and has been in decline for several generations. The Senators from Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana hasn't done much to h
32 Eatmybologna : Getting completely ignored by one's state Senator is cause for frustration and resentment, especially after she trumpeted into the area prior to the
33 Falcon84 : You, MattD, sound sexist? I mean you-you've never said a bad thing about a woman on here. (dripping with sarcasm). Wait till she's tagged with "one o
34 Logan22L : Well, let's see. GuitrThree, who has accused me of being a racist because I made a crack against NASCAR, and who has railed me for not responding to h
35 Eatmybologna : I'm not a frustrated Republican as I believe that what our economy needs right now are tax breaks and business growth. I'll always support the party
36 GuitrThree : Umm, no, I'm not hiding.. It's called work. Was at it all day yesterday, then went to watch the first game of the NFL season. Then went to bed, now u
37 Falcon84 : Here we are, in the middle of A WAR, and you advocate more tax breaks. Not shared sacrifice of the American people. The only group that Mr. Bush has
38 Slider : I'd disagree... IN has embraced a lot of biomedical and pharmaceutical research and has worked hard to transition from being over-concentrated in man
39 Falcon84 : I can. Backwards; corrupted; ignorant. That about sums up the GOP "leadership" in Ohio. But hey, gays have been stomped on, and everyone can carry gu
40 DL021 : I agree with you about some basic things here, but calling people stupid ain't gonna change anyones minds, and getting mad causes you to make mistake
41 Logan22L : Well, your premise is incorrect. I have no issues with the military or what they stand for - it's how this Administration is using the military that
42 Post contains images Eatmybologna : Falcon, There may be one or two Republicans that do like her. Do you happen to know her popularity rating for the rest of NY State? I advocate State
43 Falcon84 : Show me where I called you that. I said the idea of getting tax breaks, in time of war, is stupid, and I think obscene. There's a difference.
44 Logan22L : I put the wink there so even you would be able to understand that it was just a jab. Further, I never did call you stupid. I simply jokingly agreed w
45 TPASXM787 : IIRC, Congress was Republican controlled while Willie was in office, so he was held in check by this. This would be a first... I don't like Hillary.
46 Eatmybologna : That's my point. I stated that you are implying that I'm stupid and obscene for having a different perspective on a two sided argument. Why do feel t
47 SATX : I agree that having both sides play a role helps keep each other in check. However, part of the Clinton term did include a Democratically-controlled
48 TPASXM787 : Politics...R or D they all suck. I actually like the idea of having POTUS one party and Congress the other. It keeps one party from pushing their age
49 Post contains images Falcon84 : Why should I feel the need to do anything but call a spade a spade, dude? If i think it's stupid and obscene, than I think that, and I won't mince wo
50 Superfly : ...and none of that industry has touched the Rust-Belt portions of that state (Gary, East Chicago, Hammond). That industry is down in Indianapolis wh
51 Post contains images NUair : Ahh I see we have forgotten about Bosnia... GuitrThree, If you would read my first post you would see that I agree with you 100%, my one and only poi
52 Eatmybologna : I apologize if I'm generalizing this a bit and this post is taking this thread off topic. In my economics classes at college, I learned that governme
53 GuitrThree : Sorry, Logan. It was, as I said, 5:15AM and I didn't notice that little wink.. my bad... really. You're missing the point. This isn't a thread about
54 B744F : In terms of percentages, yes, for obvious reasons (they have the most money) "penalize" isn't the proper word. You aren't being penalized for making
55 Post contains images GuitrThree : I was closely looking at the photos in NUairs post, reply #51, because Hillary just looked doctored (she seemed to be clearer and a little darker then
56 Post contains images Aa777jr : FEMA was rubbish before DHS absorbed it. We have another flip flop Kerryesque voter. Gee, wonder what the American people want to hear me vomit today
57 Post contains images Falcon84 : Actually, under Witt, it was run about as well as a government organization could be run. When it was folded into DHS, it became just another begger
58 GuitrThree : So you really think that the NAVY is going to tell the Commander-in-Chief that he can't board his own ship?? Who in the hell is going to tell the Pre
59 Cfalk : You cannot compare the boom of the late 40s and 50s to anything we have today. By the end of the war you had over 15 years of pent-up demand for cons
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