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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

To the greatest circuit on the F1 calendar this weekend ...  bigthumbsup 

If Alonso wins and Kimi finishes fourth or lower, he becomes the first post-Schumacher World Champion. Unlikely though.

Predicted results:

1: Raikkonen
2: Montoya
3: Alonso

Pretty Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz result ... unless of course Kimi blows yet another engine in practice, in that case he'll finish second to Montoya. I don't think any other team is in the same ballpark at the moment.

BAR will get close to Renault and Button will probably do better than Fisichella. Anyone willing to bet on Sato for a spectacular accident sometime during the weekend?

Hopefully rain will spice things up a little, midrace rain even better, maybe even see the Ferraris having a better time of it ...


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Villenuve to go flat out through Eau Rouge and demolish his car like he did with his BAR a few years back.

User currently offlineAMSGOT From Sweden, joined Jun 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

It's going to be a lovely race, as always at Spa-Francorchamps. Together with the GP in Canada, I think these are the nicest of the year!

And I actually hope Schumacher does well!

[Edited 2005-09-09 09:49:29]


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
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Quoting AMSGOT (Reply 2):
And I actually hope Schumacher does well!

 rotfl 

I've got a pedal car that will go better than a Ferrari at Spa. I can't see SM finishing in the top 8 if both McLarens, Renaults, BARs and Toyotas finish the race.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Thread starter):
If Alonso wins and Kimi finishes fourth or lower, he becomes the first post-Schumacher World Champion. Unlikely though.

you never know with Kimi's crap engine. I hope Kimi wins just so the season is not over, but Alonso is very close.

If this does not happen, then I want, obviously, MS to win
 box  bring it on!!

 Silly



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

I've been to Spa several times, Scbriml, and I saw Schu perform in the rain...should it rain everyhting seems possible. As was the case with Senna, Schu is still in his own world when it comes to driving in the rain.

Ask Hill....in 1996 I believe it was, it started raining, stronger and stronger, and Schu was out on slicks, Hill on rain tires (not intermediates!!), and he couldn't get past Schu for 7 laps, go figure!

Or Barcelona mid-nineties...even English newspapers adopted the headline "He came, saw, and walked on the water!" ...about 3 seconds faster than any other driver, and one of them was Alesi, another proven rain-guru.

There's only one rain performance that was even better: Senna 1993, Donington, first lap: I sat there, my mouth hanging agape and it took me several minutes to come down again on regular blood pressure Big grin



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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Anybody remember that HUGE crash at Spa in 1998? Video here: http://www.funny-games.biz/videos/111-huge-f1crash.html

Now that is a crash!


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
I've got a pedal car that will go better than a Ferrari at Spa. I can't see SM finishing in the top 8 if both McLarens, Renaults, BARs and Toyotas finish the race.

Don't forget SPA also means a lot of chance for rain (seeing the predictions for the weekend).
That automatically means that engine power will be less of a factor and driver skills all the more.
Also SPA differentiates the men from the boys and MS surely is a man behind the wheel.

Together with Suzuka (JAP) , my favorite track.

Edited for content:
Sorry Andreas I missed your post but all i can say is I agree!

[Edited 2005-09-09 16:20:37]


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Montoya was lucky, an engine problem was discovered before he could start his practice run, if he had run one lap it would´ve meant 10 places in the start. Kimi best and Wurz second (McLaren´s third driver).

User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1386 times:

Grid:

1 JP. Montoya McLaren 1:46.391
2 K. Räikkönen McLaren 1:46.440
3 G. Fisichella Renault 1:46.497
4 J. Trulli Toyota 1:46.596
5 F. Alonso Renault 1:47.760
6 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:47.401
7 M. Schumacher Ferrari 1:47.476
8 F. Massa Sauber 1:47.867
9 J. Button BAR 1:47.978
10 M. Webber Williams 1:48.071
11 T. Sato BAR 1:48.353
12 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:48.508
13 R. Barrichello Ferrari 1:48.550
14 J. Villeneuve Sauber 1:48.889
15 A. Pizzonia Williams 1:48.898
16 C. Klien Red Bull 1:48.994
17 R. Doornbos Minardi 1:49.779
18 C. Albers Minardi 1:49.842
19 T. Monteiro Jordan 1:51.498
20 N. Karthikeyan Jordan 1:51.675

Fisichella will be moved back 10 positions though.
Looks like a 1-2 result for Mclaren tomorrow, atleast I really hope so.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Fisichella has had no luck all year. Actually I don't think the guy has had luck all his career. Joined Benetton on a downward spiral, then onto Jordan when they're on an even bigger downward spiral ... even when he won his first race he didn't get to stand on the podium as the race winner. Now finally back in a competitive team ...  Sad

I wonder how much fuel is on board that Renault - you would've thought they have fuelled him heavy heavy heavy if he's gonna take a 10-spot hit, and yet he outqualifies Alonso ...

Interesting too to note Montoya is on pole, wonder whether JPM has learned the words "team order" yet ... (yeah yeah team order is "illegal" but whatever!)

Quoting Andreas (Reply 5):
Ask Hill....in 1996 I believe it was, it started raining, stronger and stronger, and Schu was out on slicks, Hill on rain tires (not intermediates!!), and he couldn't get past Schu for 7 laps, go figure!

Well if anyone else was blocking like Schumacher was, nobody would've gotten through either ... some questionable driving there from Michael but brilliant nevertheless. It was 1995, btw, still Schumacher's greatest season. Can't believe it was 10 years ago.

Start your rain dance now ...  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

HKG, I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.

User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think Trulli is a much better driver

I think Fisichella i sa great driver. Trulli on the other hand is good at qualifying but he is always slow in the races.


User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1307 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.

Trulli is a definately a much better qualifyer, but as for driving, I think that's questionable.

He constantly blitzes qualifying, then goes into the race and falls asleep after 3 laps, becoming a mobile chicane centred on the racing line. Cue memories of various races with the top 2 or 3 racing away and long train of 5 to 6 cars following the napping Trulli.

Anyway, can't wait for the race. Predicting:
McLaren 1st and 2nd,
Alonso 3rd,
Fisi to disappoint,
Ralf to be exceedingly mediocre,
Trulli to be 3 secs off the pace by lap 5, and
Webber to run some poor sod off the road.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Well, equal, Fischi and Trulli both crashed out, also Montoya and the Red Baron crashed.
Kimi won and Alonso came 2nd....


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

I love what Kimi did when SC came out and how he and the team handled the pit stop. Driving very slowly to hold everyone up and gave as much time as the pitcrews needed to clean JPM and prepare for Kimi, brilliant.

The chance of Kimi to claim the title this year is very slim now, but anyway, we still have the constructor title which Mclaren has a better chance indeed if JPM does not crash out on the final stage anymore


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

1. Kimi
2. Alonso
3. Button
4. Webber
5. Barrichello
6. Villeneuve (Yay! But WTF?)
7. Ralf
8. Monteiro (WTF?)

By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
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Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.

Didn't you see the race? Sato ran right into the back of him!



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Andz, what I should have added was that it's not as if Sato did it deliberately, that's all.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
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Of course he didn't, I wasnt implying he did.


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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.

Well, just like the tunnel incident with JPM last year wasn't his fault, nor did he accept the Coulthard crash in 98 as a racing incident either ...

Fortunately for MS, he was run into the back of by Sato, who isn't known for keeping himself out of trouble ... and remember Suzuka 2003?

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.

Well Fisi signed for Renault before he won Melbourne ... IMHO Fisichella is a much better driver than Trulli. Trulli is a spectacular qualifier (just see how he always trounces Ralf), but for some reason just isn't too special in the race.

Ironic, given Trulli came to prominence with the actual race in Austria in 97, where he could well have won the race in the Prost if not for the Mugen-Honda engine blowing up rather spectacularly.



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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Great race.

Good result, could have been better had it not been for Pizzonia (tw@t).

I hear that Mclaren were possible using team orders today though, does seem a little odd how JPM pace 'slowed' in the latter part of the race as soon as Kimi was in command - not that I am bothered as the tactics were discreet and not in your face...

And I am really happy and delighted to see Michael's FANTASTIC result! Big grin It gives me real pleasure to see that team in these difficult times.

Role on Sao Paulo!

Adam


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1186 times:

Well Montoya better look out for Pizzonia in the last few races.

While recovering from his testing accident, Heidfeld has fallen off his bike and sounds like he's broken some bones. Apparently that's him out for the rest of the season now.

Pizzonia's been fined 4500 USD and has accepted full responsibility for the accident with Montoya.



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User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 21):
It gives me real pleasure to see that team in these difficult times.

I actually enjoy last year more. Not on the Ferrari part, but McLaren. Struggled for most of the season with realibility and poor design, then before the end of the season started bouncing back and this season on the battle for the constructor title. Really nice job.


User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 20):
IMHO Fisichella is a much better driver than Trulli

I so agree on that, he hardly ever makes any mistakes, I believe it was the correct choice to pick Fisichella to drive alongside with Alonso rather than Trulli.
Talking about how unlucky he is, well.....HE'S HAD SO MUCH BAD LUCK, that's all I can say about that, and even now when he's in a good car, he's the one who gets moved down 10 places due to an engine change. How unlucky.

Cheers, Konstantin G.


25 Alessandro : Anyone else thinks that Sato is soon history in F1? He been moved down 10 spots in next qualifying due the crash with the Red Baron, a bit harsh I thi
26 EZEIZA : I think he's not a bad driver, but he just can't learn how to drive without screwing everyone else! As much as I am a big MS and most of all, Ferrari
27 HKGKaiTak : I do, his results this year are so much worse than that of Button's that I don't think BAR would want him next year ... It's a shame, I thought Sato
28 Bill142 : mm.. and MS' flipping his visor shut right after the incident isn't worthy of anything? To have a few harsh words is one thing, but to physically att
29 EZEIZA : I agree 100% with you. I agree with Sato's punishment, but I think MS should get some as well. Not sure what kind of punishment (are there any specif
30 Bill142 : Well since it would be against sporting regulations, some kind of fine is most likley payable. Although to hit the point home that physical attacks a
31 BA757 : Its that one rule for one person and another for the rest again...its always Ferrari and Schumacher too. Funny that isn't it? Adam
32 EZEIZA : What do you mean?
33 Bill142 : Sato gets a 10 spot penalty for what appears to be a normal racing incident, MS gets nothing despite the fact he approached Sato said something to hi
34 Post contains images BA757 : Not to upset you but I mean its literally one rule for Ferrari and another for the rest of the grid. Sorry but its true. Adam
35 Cornish : And now HP are ending their sponsorship of Williams at the end of this season. Not a season for Wiliams to remember with much fondness.......
36 EddieGunsmoke : Just like it was last year when MS was stuck in the sand, and a functionary pushed him back on the track. I bet this had not been approved if it was
37 Post contains images EZEIZA : Don't worry, watching Ferrari this season has been upestting, not you Probably is true, but as you can see from this seasons' results, it won't help
38 HKGKaiTak : No, that push was well within the rules, he was stuck in a dangerous spot and marshals can push a car away. The only thing I doubt was whether the ma
39 Bill142 : Maybe Sir Frank is begninng to wish he sold up to BMW. That $22 million for Jensons contract is probably looking more and more appealing as each day
40 EddieGunsmoke : Yes, I know that rule. But cars are stuck in dangerous spots all the time. I just don't believe that this spot "had been considered so dangerous" if
41 Pyrex : I to am a die-hard Tiffosi but this is the first year I actually wish someone else to win, Tiago Monteiro... He is a good pilot but with a Jordan he d
42 Post contains images BA757 : Is he? I don't think he is anything special. Nope thats not bad for a Jordan these days. Indeed, yes I agree with you - it probably is the first time
43 Pyrex : I agree he hasn't had much chance to prove himself but if you put him in a good car I believe he will be able to do good things. He is certainly way
44 Bill142 : But when the numbers on TV are falling because the result is predictable someone has to take action. Otherwise the sponsors are soon going to find so
45 EZEIZA : true, but you must admit it is unfair. Also true, and I hope Ferrari do get their act together for next season!
46 BA757 : Spot on. Some of the people I speak to believe he is only in F1 for political reasons - to help India get a GP. Adam
47 Cornish : I think you'll find that much of Ferrari's increasing drop-off in performance as the season has gone on is due to the fact they are concentrating ful
48 BA757 : So they say...up to you if you believe that or not. They would hardly come out and say "Oh we are still developing the 06 car and losing more perform
49 Cornish : I'm no Ferrari fan, but i think that's very much the case. And actually a sensible move if true. There's been no major revisions, no B-spec of a car
50 Cornish : And in F1's least unexpected announcement, BMW have announced they've signed Heidfeld for 2006. surprise surprise......
51 BA380 : I'd be staggered if Ferrari were not up at the top next year again.
52 Bill142 : I think you'll find that at this point of the year testing of 2006 components is already happening with more teams then just Ferrari. There won't be
53 HKGKaiTak : The thing about Ferrari that astounded me is what Ross Brawn said the other day. That the F2005 they haven't clawed back anywhere near the amount of d
54 Jasepl : Ha haha! Was that meant to be a 'secret' until now?
55 Jamesbuk : is it me or is there not going to be much of BMW williams next year as BMW engines have pulled out of them to run their own team and michelin pulled o
56 'Longreach' : Wow, I was just reading this today and your predictions were pretty close!
57 BA757 : There wasn't much of them this year, never mind next year. Adam
58 Bill142 : Williams will be using a Cosworth engine and Bridgestone Tyres. Michelin are looking to reduce the number of teams they supply. Expect an annoucement
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