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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Hi guys,

Coming to the latter end of my driving lessons, im soon to be taking my test. Im 18 at the end of the year, and am looking at purchasing a motor-vehicle for the use of transport  Wink

What experiences have you had with small, reliable cars?

I'll be using it to commute around southern UK next year for work placements, and therefore it has to be reliable. Also, modification potential would be an advantage  Smile Big grin

Cheers,
Tom


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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Id look at something with a small engine, maybe a ford fiesta 1.1 or a corsa 1.0 maybe a nissan micra, wouldnt go brand new, insurance will sting you.

Glenn



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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 1):
insurance will sting you.

Tell me about it Glenn! Quotes i have got are mad! Am learning in a new shape Corsa, very nippy.



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

A Renault Twingo, imported from Frhaance  Smile

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3656 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I really like the new mini (even the One is very nice to drive), or a Peugeot 206. I personally don't like Fords that much, too common in the UK.

User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Shop around for the insurance, i found churchhill are very cheap, the new corsas are very nippy indeed, my mate has one only a 1.2 but shit, it certainly moves, might be worth, getting one of your parents to be the policy holder and have you as the named driver, get some experience on the roads then next year with a years experience, get your own policy, it should go down

Glenn



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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Thanks for your replies.

Im certaintly shopping around at the moment, but whatever quote i get is gonna be bloody expensive...

I think its all these students taking to the roads that is putting everyone's premiums up Big grin



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Get a Fiat Punto 1.2 active. The engine is very nippy, and they can be picked up very cheaply.


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

This one:



Seriously though...get a Fiat Punto..it's really great. I had a Fiat Palio when I was 18...kept it for 4 years...awesome car.



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User currently offline1aMLA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

I see a lot of adverts in the UK with a free one years insurance, so that would be a good deal, Go for a car with low fuel consumption as well fuel prices arent looking too good either.

I had a classic Mini great on insurance and fuel, and cheap to fix, and if you live in town you can park anywhere.


User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting 1aMLA (Reply 9):
with a free one years insurance

To qualify for these there is usually a catch, i.e. you have to be 19/ y/o.

There is no way i could stretch to a new car anyway, just been looking at some Fiat Punto reviews, very nice...



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User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 7):
Get a Fiat Punto 1.2 active. The engine is very nippy, and they can be picked up very cheaply.

I have just received an undisclosed amount of money from Mr. Montezemolo for putting ads on a.net (*)

So, here it is:




(*) Yes, I'm kidding Big grin


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Quoting 1aMLA (Reply 9):
I see a lot of adverts in the UK with a free one years insurance, so that would be a good deal, Go for a car with low fuel consumption as well fuel prices arent looking too good either.

couldn't agree more. as a young, new driver, your insurance costs will be horrendous - possibly as much as 1000 GBP, depending on where you live, even for something basic.

If you can ger something like a Fiesta it should be cheap to run, cheap to service/repair and easy to drive, plus enough room for you and some mates.

As much a sit ewould be nice to look for something different or flash, save that for the next car when your insurance will have hopefully gone down a bit, and you may have some more money from working, etc to pay the bills.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Maybe you'd like this one???




http://www.whatcar.com/News_SpecialR...ort.asp?NA_ID=207800&EL_ID=3060977
http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews...iving/skoda-fabia-vrs-1003874.html
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/diesel/diesel_skoda.html



...or perhaps this one???



http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/T/toyota/aygo05-/aygo05-.html
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/roadtest/24762/toyota_aygo.html

or perhaps Aygo's clones? Peugeot 107 & Citroen C1



If you want a reliable car Toyota Yaris is a one to consider - great 1.0 engine, the suspension is a bit too soft I'd say, but otherwise excellent car. The new model is coming soon so you might be able to get some sweet deal on the present one.
Punto's craftmanship and reliability are just pathetic. The 206 looks great... especially if driven by a female, but that's about the only positive thing one can say about it.
.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
Punto's craftmanship and reliability are just pathetic

Perhaps I'm just lucky, but (touch wood!) in 2 years of owning my 52-reg Punto it has not broken down once, nor has anything fallen off/broken.



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User currently offlineVS747SPUR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Iv got a new shape renault clio and its a superb car to drive, and very reliable. I believe its in the cheapest (if theres such a word) insurance group.

I think your insurance will be expensive for the first year or 2, I shopped around and I still had to pay a stupid amount. This second year has been alot cheaper though  Smile

John



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User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
Maybe you'd like this one???

Skoda? LOL  rotfl 


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting Airbuzz (Reply 16):
Skoda? LOL

Well it'll be worth more when you sell it than a Fiat, Peugeot, Ford or Vauxhall and will have a better quality interior too.



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User currently offlineAirboeing From France, joined Apr 2005, 223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

My Renault Twingo reaches 200 000 kms, so one can say it is reliable...
Anyway, the choice of a car depends of the utilisation. Toulouse is a town where we see more twingos than any other car because of the small streets in downtown, but it is maybe not a problem where you live....



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Bloody hell 1000GBP for a 206 or a Twingo? I pay $1200 per year for 2 cars. A 5.7L V8 and a 4.3L V6, and im well under 25 (the next time my rates will be lowered)

Glad I dont have to deal with being raped by European insurances...

I personally like the 206, I get to drive this alot when I am in Poland. Im no fan of the Micra and the Yaris though.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 14):
Perhaps I'm just lucky, but (touch wood!) in 2 years of owning my 52-reg Punto it has not broken down once, nor has anything fallen off/broken.

You won't be saying that by Christmas Wink

Sam



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User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Bloody hell 1000GBP for a 206 or a Twingo? I pay $1200 per year for 2 cars. A 5.7L V8 and a 4.3L V6, and im well under 25 (the next time my rates will be lowered)

Glad I dont have to deal with being raped by European insurances...

Hehehehe... In USA the insurances are low because road accident cannot happen with such (pathetic) speed limits

[Edited 2005-09-09 17:41:01]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Atco2b:
Pick up an older Volkswagen Diesel (Dasher or Rabbit). They get up to 50 miles per gallon and they last forever. They are the only European compacts I'd ever consider.
Best of all, they can be converted to a Bio-diesel and can run on used fish & chips grease.  Smile
It's free for now.



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User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Have you thought about getting your insurance on your parents policy ?

Mines on my parents and financially it works out a lot more beneficial this way, I know people can then spout that you won't be building up any no claims bonus but I'd rather be saving 500 odd pounds (sorry I don't have a GBP sign on my laptop) when I'm 18 , stay on your parents for around 5 or 6 years and then only be paying 200 odd pounds at most more than someone who had there own insurance when I'm 24. I could totally wrong so please do tell if you can crunch the numbers any better, but looking at it like that above it appears better financially for me. Only works of course if your parents trust you enough lol.

Regarding the choice of cars, well there are so many choices in this market it'll be fun making one. If you can, try and get 2nd hand of a current model that's sold for new or the series that has just been replaced. I say as new as possible simply for safety reasons, there have been some great advances in car safety, but simply because the cost of doing so, mainly on insurance it makes this choice less desirable and thus we see so many students driving rust buckets. I'm sure though you could sway your parents into investing a little bit in a newer car, at the end of the day I'm sure they would rather have you alive than a couple grand in there pockets.

FLVILLA



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Pick up an older Volkswagen Diesel (Dasher or Rabbit).

God, I cannot remember the last time I saw a Dasher.



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25 Post contains images LHMark : My dad had a beige Diesel Dasher when I was a kid. We went all over the northeast in that PoS!
26 Post contains links and images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: A lot of hippies here still drive them. I bought one off my English teacher when I was a senior in high school for only $50 ! That was a
27 TriStarEnvy : I knew a girl w/a Dasher two door. I had seen the wagons, and five doors, but never a coupe. Pretty slick car. The Dasher will probably join the 411/4
28 Post contains images Superfly : Something Porsche enthusiast would love to forget is that the 914 shared the same engine with the the AMC Gremlin in 1977.
29 TriStarEnvy : Best friend from college is on his 3rd 914. I give him grief about it's origins, daily. Glad that for once I have a car to pick on!
30 Post contains images Superfly : TriStarEnvy: I forgot to mention on my Chicago thread. I was picked up from IND in a Pontiac Aztec. Fortunatly it was at night and hardly know body in
31 MrChips : Which in turn shared an engine with the Porsche 912 (an early 4-cylinder variant of the 911), which in turn shared an engine with late model 356s, wh
32 Post contains images Superfly : MrChips: Agreed! I think those cars look really cool , for a small car. When I was a kid, a may across the street had one. I thought it looked really
33 Tristarenvy : In my life, I have only been really scared twice in a car. And this wasn't accident related. The first was in high school, when a girl I knew took me
34 Blackbird1331 : I would go with a used car. As a new driver, you will be prone to driving mistakes. Your insurance will be lower if your investment is small and if yo
35 Doona : You're addressing a European, so you should know that the "Dasher" is the old "Passat" here, and the "Rabbit" is known as the "Polo". Cheers Mats
36 Post contains images Concord977 : (Kidding!)
37 Post contains links Racko : Actually, europe has far stricter insurance rules than the US. Might be a little more expensive, but at least it can't happen to you that you get hit
38 Post contains images Superfly : It's ugly inside too. I forgot about that!
39 Post contains images Iakobos : What about supporting the local car industry ? There are plenty of these available, I heard Mr Bean's neighbour is selling his. Plenty of space, econo
40 Blackbird1331 : Lakobos: Cockroaches are better looking than that. That is probably the least stolen car in the world.
41 Doona : Well, it's been crashed quite a few times, if you watch Mr. Bean... Lol. Cheers Mats
42 Post contains images Superfly : Here is an inexpensive car that was made in the U.K. that Atcob2 may want to consider. It was called the Plymouth Cricket here in the United States. H
43 Post contains images 777236ER : You'd be a fool not to buy a Renault Twingo. By far the best looking car around.
44 L410Turbolet : By "insurance" you guys mean all regular accident/theft policy or just the statutory third party liability insurance???
45 Post contains images Atco2b : Thanks for all your replies! I would have replied sooner but only just checked the post! Yes, very nice car! Can be picked up quite cheaply now, nice
46 Post contains images Airboeing : It's a very good car to begin with. It look small, but when you bend the rear seats you can put loads of luggages or anything. The only thing is that
47 Alessandro : Volvo 240, da Swedish tank.....
48 Cornish : Its a great car, but just decide whether you feel fine about driving a left-hand drive car. Not sure if that will hurt your insurance quotes even mor
49 Post contains images Atco2b : Hadnt thought of that!
50 Post contains images Willo : low insurance group, cheap on petrol!
51 Superfly : Atco2B: The Porsche 912/914 is only Porsche in name only. It's a cheap car and not an exotic sports car like there other expensive models.
52 Fokker Lover : Every 18 year old from the UK should start out with a late 60's or early 70's Dodge Charger. They are great for handling the tight roads, easy to park
53 Post contains images Superfly : Fokker Lover: Funny! With the exchange rate, Atco2b could get one for less than we can here in the United States, even after shipping. Those cars in g
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