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Embattled Fema Chief Michael Brown Resigns  
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Breaking NEWS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Don't let the door hit you on the A$$!!!!

Updated link:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9315184/

[Edited 2005-09-12 21:10:09]

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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5641 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Let's see ... he already bombed out of running horse shows, maybe dog shows are next?


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Oh, I've shed a tear.  crying 

Incompetent Boob.

'nuff said.

Russ



My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13070 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

His demotion last Friday was basically his being told to resign. In a statment, he noted his resignation was for the good of FEMA, the victims of Katrina and for the President. Well at least we, uh the Bushies, got someone to be the sacrifical lamb. Didn't this guy know what he was getting into? I would suspect he may have a hard time getting another job unless it involves the pharse "do you want fries with that?"

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Wow! It only took two weeks for this guy to resign from his position. Now that's what I call strong decisive leadership. Great job Mr. President  bigthumbsup 


Bush=Deer+Headlights



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Mr. Brown, leave your career with the receptionist, and security will escort you from the building.

And no, I checked this week's Classified Ads and no one had a Help Wanted ad for "Inept Figurehead". Sorry.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9320 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
I would suspect he may have a hard time getting another job unless it involves the pharse "do you want fries with that?"

one word -- Halliburton.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1296 times:

Congratulations, Mr. Brown, on the best decision of your tenure.  goldmedal  You should have done this a week... or two weeks... or two-and-a-half weeks ago.

 redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag 
redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6792 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1283 times:

One down, more to go....

Landreiu, Nagin, Blanco.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1282 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Halliburton.

Oh how the truth does hurt.  Sad


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1267 times:

He is going to apply to be a toll booth operator.

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Didn't this guy know what he was getting into?

Apparently the WH didn't know either.. better vetting needs to be made on the next FEMA head..



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 8):

Landreiu, Nagin, Blanco.

Don't forget POTUS!!!

Quoting MattRB (Reply 11):
better vetting needs to be made on the next FEMA head..

Ya Think? Big grin


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1241 times:

Would two years ago have been too much to ask? Finally, a yes man bites the dust instead of another would-be dissenter. Good riddance.

---------------

IAHA tenure

Before joining the DHS/FEMA, Brown was the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association, (IAHA), from 1989-2001. After numerous lawsuits were filed against the organization over disciplinary actions[5], Brown was forced to resign.[6]

Brown started his own legal defense fund before resigning, a move he said was necessary to protect his family's assets. [9] However, some IAHA insiders claimed that this was what really led to his ouster. He raised money from breeders for the fund as well as IAHA, creating a conflict of interest. Also, his contract stipulated that IAHA was to pay all his personal legal expenses, on top of his $100,000 annual salary, so there was speculation as to why he needed a personal legal defense fund. [10] IAHA became financially depleted, and had to be merged with the Arabian Horse Registry of America. [11]


Bush administration service

After Bush entered office in January 2001, Brown joined FEMA as General Counsel. He was the first person hired by his long-time friend and college roommate, then-FEMA director Joe Allbaugh[12], who also ran Bush's election campaign in 2000. Allbaugh later named Brown his acting deputy director in September 2001. President Bush formally nominated him as deputy director on March 22, 2002, and the Senate confirmed many months later. Soon after, President Bush nominated him again in January 2003 for the directorship when Allbaugh left to join a private company.[13] Brown was sworn in to his position on April 15, 2003.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Brown



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9320 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1239 times:

Well, there's always that extra Supreme Court seat....


Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1222 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 14):
Well, there's always that extra Supreme Court seat....

Haha - I enjoy STLGph's posts!


And, thank you, SATX, for posting that Wikipedia piece. Allbaugh (former FEMA director) was Chief of Staff when GW was Governor of Texas. He is now a lobbyist for - ahhh KBR (Halliburton Company) - making tons more $$$. He was heavily involved in W's campaign (I forget which position).

[Edited 2005-09-12 22:50:20]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1212 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
One down, more to go....

Landreiu, Nagin, Blanco.

  

And the sooner the better . . . .

Of course, they could continue to snivel and whine like little bitches about how it's all PotUS fault, rather than admit they had plan no one ever really exercised (regardless of what is on paper), and have over 200 busses drowned in NOLA somewhere and no communication system and no logistics prepositioned . . .

Read through the Louisiana Emergency Operations plan again this morning, and continue find abysmal failures on the part of the State and City Governments. Another example:

Part II, Section B, Para 14: Hospitals, Nursing Homes, Group Homes, etc. will have predetermined and/or refuge plans if evacuation becomes necessary. All facilities will have approved Multi-Hazard Emergency Operations Plans as mandated by the State of Louisiana, Dept. of Health and Hospitals (DHH). Before Operating permits are given to homes/hospitals, emergency precautions are to be taken, such as the placement of emergency supplies and adequate equipment (i.e. generators and potable water) on upper floors.

Yes, another example of failure . . . certified hospitals without proper emergency supplies.

EDIT: Neglected to mention - I hope the door hits Brown in the ass on the way out . . . he needed to be fired . . .

[Edited 2005-09-12 23:24:02]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39818 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1202 times:

I wonder what job Bush has lined up for Michael Brown.


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20460 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Before Operating permits are given to homes/hospitals, emergency precautions are to be taken, such as the placement of emergency supplies and adequate equipment (i.e. generators and potable water) on upper floors.

I'm sure the definition of "adequate" will be debated in the reviews of what went wrong. Such as the delivery of enough food and water to the Superdome to feed 15,000 for 3 days suddenly became inadequate when 30,000 showed up.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Of course, they could continue to snivel and whine like little bitches about how it's all PotUS fault

As much as I have utter disgust for POTUS, Mayor  hissyfit  is no Rudy Giuliani.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
over 200 busses

Make that 590 - available and called for according to the Houston Chronicle (last week).


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Agreed Westy - a lot to be debated and refined. Let's hope there are lessons learned - and that learning is exercised - at all levels . . .

Beginning with a a viable plan for use of existing transportation.

Prepositioning of Logistical Requirements - Food, Water, for starters.

On and On and On . . . .


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

George, your turn. Please make it soon. Yes, you are finally doing your job. Too little, too late.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Agreed Westy - a lot to be debated and refined. Let's hope there are lessons learned - and that learning is exercised - at all levels . . .Beginning with a a viable plan for use of existing transportation.
Prepositioning of Logistical Requirements - Food, Water, for starters.
On and On and On . . . .

What you say makes a lot of sense, and I agree.

However, the majority of your posts on this matter try to swing blame toward any available Democrat.

Where's your criticism for David Vitter - you know, the other senator from Louisiana, that has been conspicious by his absence from the relief effort. Oh, that's right - he's a REPUBLICAN - gets a free pass from ANCFlyer.

And your President? He said this today, in a pitiful defense of his claim last week that "no-one thought the levees would be breeched":

"What I was referring to is this: When that storm came by, a lot of people said we dodged a bullet. When that storm came through at first, people said, Whew. There was a sense of relaxation. And that’s what I was referring to.

"And I myself thought we had dodged a bullet. You know why? Because I was listening to people probably over the airwaves say, The bullet has been dodged. And that was what I was referring to."


Is he even fucking concious? I read today that WH staff were drawing straws for who would have to give Bush the bad news about the situation in New Orleans, not because they were afraid of the his reaction to the catastrophe, but him facing the prospect of having to cut short his vacation. Some sense of priority huh?

In an emergency of this magnitude, FEMA is supposed to be on-site with 72 hours. Gov. Blanco told Bush ON SATURDAY that they needed "everything you've got". 5 days later, still very little evidence of a federal response. Face facts ANC, Bush gutted FEMA - appointing cronies to the most critical positions - and all this AFTER 9/11.

And now, as happened in Iraq, after the incompetence, the corruption kicks in. You've got former FEMA head and Bush campaign chair Allbaugh getting no bids contracts for the likes of Halliburton KBR - after they skimmed hundreds of millions of your taxpayer dollars in Iraq. Rewarding thievery, it's the Bush family way.

[Edited 2005-09-13 02:37:30]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
However, the majority of your posts on this matter try to swing blame on any available Democrat.

First of all, that's bullshit. Never, ever once have I specifically named a party, ever - when it related to the debacle on the Gulf Coast . . . what I have said, is Governor  cry , Mayor  hissyfit , (with a few short jabs at Senator  box  ) need to go . . .

That said, since the people in New Orleans and Baton Rouge that are sitting in seats of "power" are in fact Democrats, it's rather by default they bear the brunt of my criticism.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
Where's your criticism for David Vitter - you know, the otehr senator from Louisiana, that has been conspicious by his absence from the relief effort.

I didn't hear Vitter crawling all over the airwaves blaming every gawddamn body on the planet except the parties responsible - and in fact, he said he should shoulder some of the blame as well . . . all I've seen  cry ,  hissyfit  and  box  do are point their fingers at DC - specifically PotUS - rather than the real issue - which was, and remains, a very shoddy plan, from the top (FEMA) down that wasn't exercised sufficiently enough to ensure it would function.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
I read today that WH staff were drawing straws for who would have to give Bush the bad news about the situation in New Orleans, not because they were afraid of the his reaction to the catastrophe, but him facing the prospect of having to cut short his vacation. Some sense of priority huh?

Source Please?

As for Halliburton or Bechtel and the like, show me someone with the ability to jump right in an begin to maneuver on target ASAP and I'll be interested . . . if you've not solution other than bitching, perhaps you should change your tack.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
Face facts ANC

I've been facing facts all week . . . . I took the time to read the entire Louisiana Emergency Operations Plan, and can see just what a clusterfuck it is . . . might as well use it as toilet paper or split it into four parts to elevate a desk . . . it's not worth the paper it's written on unless it's used, exercised, reviewed, and comes complete . . . currently no log package, no commo package.

Now, I've witnessed Conservatives and Liberals, Democrats and Republicans alike spew forth all sorts of finger pointing this past week - myself included of course - and I've found VERY few democrats or liberals here that will even remotely consider that the local and state governments screwed the pooch from Zero Hour on this thing and would rather continue to harp on how screwed up FEMA and PotUS are in this instance. Those people need to take a long gawddamn look in the mirror before tossing stones . . . I suppose I could name names, but it wouldn't matter . . . the fellow A-Netters to whom I refer know who they are . . .

The vitriolic blaming of PotUS with the complete blindness to anything that occured within the state and local governments there is simply assinine.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
The vitriolic blaming of PotUS with the complete blindness to anything that occured within the state and local governments there is simply assinine.

How about 'The vitriolic blaming of the state and local governments with the complete blindness to anything that occured within the executive branch is simply assinine.'  stirthepot 

BTW: I know you have admitted FEMA deserves SOME blame. Looks to me like THE blame goes to a guy who couldn't even run a pony show, much less a DOG and pony show :P

And yes once again, I think state and local 'officials' deserve to get  flamed  themselves.


25 11Bravo : Come on dude, that just isn’t at all what you've been doing. You have been systematically slamming the mayor and the governor at every possible opp
26 Falcon84 : Nah, he doesn't have the qualifications-and it's not a job Bush can just give to a big contributor, you know. And, where does the buck stop, with the
27 Rsmith6621a : Chertoff needs to be next followed by _ _ _ _ then _ _ _ _ _ _. Fill in the blanks yourself.
28 Falcon84 : I'd like to say welcome back, Rsmith, and that I missed you. But since I haven't missed you one freaking bit, I'll just shake my head in utter amazem
29 ANCFlyer : Because I can read a frickin' Operations Plan and execute the damn thing - and those two losers simply can't . . . complacency ran rampant throughout
30 Post contains links AeroWesty : I see Brown's replacement is the "Duct Tape Guy". http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/11/emergency.supplies/ We're doomed.
31 SATX : There's a bit of blind hatred going around and a fair bit of blind loyalty as well.
32 DL021 : Because they were directly responsible for issuing orders both prior to and post Katrina that were either not issued or not issued in time with force
33 11Bravo : I don’t think we know yet whether the evacuation plan worked or not. In Annex C (C-2) of the state plan they predicted they could get 334,192 peopl
34 Virgin744 : two weeks too late! virgin744
35 ANCFlyer : Gawddamn right we know it did NOT work Bravo . . . I've only got to guess you've seen the new Yellow Submarines in New Orleans formerly known as over
36 DL021 : True. FEMA underestimated the level of their unpreparedness and was thus unprepared and unable to step in fast enough to relieve the problems. FEMA i
37 Falcon84 : I read on here, from people I respect, that they put the lions' share of the blame on the mayor of one town, and the Governor of one of the states. Ye
38 Omoo : whats next for brown? Dog Shows ? Cat Parades or back to Horses?
39 DL021 : Where it properly belongs. They were tasked as the first responders. True. The response is a shared issue. I'll point out the devastation along the c
40 ANCFlyer : We'll be on opposite teams here my friend. While certainly there is blame to go all around, to every quarter, certainly you can't expect the White Ho
41 Post contains images Falcon84 : Well, there's that opening on the USSC. No, it doesn't, Ian. It belongs on the president. You know, "preseve, protect and defend". It's ultimately HI
42 Post contains images Cornish : What on earth has he resigned for?? He was doing "A Heck of a Job"
43 ANCFlyer : Falcon, I'll take this another direction and omit Florida from the map. . . . I don't see the folks along the Gulf Coast of Mississippi and Alabama s
44 DL021 : Read the laws and the relationship between FEMA, the federal government and the states. It'll clarify things for you. Nope...I'd say the same thing a
45 Post contains images Falcon84 : Translation: It's the Son of "Read My Lip, No New Taxes" I see it differently. Much of what they need is reliant upon FEMA on a national scale doing
46 Post contains images ANCFlyer : No Shit!? IN THE AFTERMATH, I'll agree. Much of what they needed before Katrina made landfall was their own responsibility, and even addressed in the
47 Post contains images DL021 : I already pointed this out in the following. So, you admit that criticism of the President is not fair? Listen....I don't think that the President's
48 Post contains links 11Bravo : Part of the problem here with much of your criticism is that you are making assumptions, based on semantics, about the state’s Emergency Operations
49 ANCFlyer : What ever term you'd like my friend - it's incomplete and still rates a NoGo for not including the basics . . . I am familiar with ICS plans . . . yo
50 Dan-Air : The only person that can declare a Federal state of emergency is the president, so what point are you trying to make? Gov. Blanco started the ball ro
51 Post contains links and images Dan-Air : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/site/newsweek/ Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe be
52 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Thanks Dan-Air . . . And I appreciate the link to a reputable source . . .I half expected LewFuckwell.com or something. Newsweek is to Liberals and/or
53 11Bravo : As do many city, county, and state first responders. That's a good thing. If you're looking at a plan within ICS and it has specific references to co
54 ANCFlyer : Your credentials are certainly not in question . . . The Louisiana Emergency Operations Plan and the ability for the City of New Orleans and the Stat
55 DL021 : You guys need to find your own quips and stop using the talking points.
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