ManxATP From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 37 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
Okay - firstly, sorry to those of you who are tired of another ‘gay’ thread, but I think there is a sizeable number of us who find them interesting.
Anyway, I am interested in knowing whether you can identify any gay/lesbian relations in your family tree and whether there is any pattern of occurrence. My personal view is that sexuality is a genetically determined aspect of an individual, like much else. Whilst I concede there is an extent to which environmental factors play a part, I think this is more in terms of how people identify themselves. For example there are a number of cultures in which homosexuality is prevalent but the concept of being gay, near none-existent. If sexuality is determined in such as way then it would make sense for homosexuality to run in a family. Whilst again there is the issue of how people identify themselves (and there are unlikely to be footnotes to such effect in the family bible!) I think it is still possible to make interpretations.
When looking at my own family I feel such a pattern exists. I am gay, and when I talk to my Granddad about his fathers side of the family it appears as though his aunt and uncle were both gay. Certainly his aunt shared a bed and was very close to their female maid, never marrying. Likewise his uncle never had any female lovers, and looking through his possessions there are a number of sketches and images of male acquaintances that could potentially be more than friends. Could it not be that such a gene is recessive, skipping generations (and hence explaining why I’m here). Thinking of other families I know, there are similar patterns concerning aunts and uncles with both gay and straight siblings. The main problem with the idea is if my great, great uncle was gay, then being open about it could have landed him in prison, and so it’s very hard to verify.
Has anybody any ideas or opinions? Can you identify anything similar with your family?
ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3029 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
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I think that's a quite interesting thread. I also believe that sexuality is more genetically determined than by the environment (which also plays a role, but to a lesser extent). Unfortunately this theory doesn't find any support in my family: I am apparently the only gay around
There are other families I know where this is different, though: for example I know brothers who are both gay. Maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe not. Who knows?
Cxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
No history of it in my family that I know of, but must admit I had my suspicions about my nephew until he married ... but then that means nothing as I too was married once (thankfully, my ex-wife is still my best friend!).
My partner is a triplet, and has 7 brothers/sisters in all, and again no history of homosexuality in his family - although we did catch his sister kissing another girl on a drunken night out once but now she is happily settled with a cute guy!
A good friend of ours has, believe it or not, suspicions about his Dad. His Mum & Dad split up and ever since, his Dad spends a lot of time with a male 'friend'.
So, IMO, whilst there could be links, as you have rightly pointed out, in view of the very closed society in which our ancestors grew up, it's really difficult to tell who did what behind closed doors?
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7873 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
While I strongly believe that sexuality is biologically determined. I do not believe that it is passed along from generation to generation like hair color or eye color. I also do not believe that human sexuality is simply a binary or even a trinary construct, that rather it exists along a continium from heterosexual to homosexual, with varying degrees in between.
To discover a strong hereditary basis for homosexuality in your family you'd have to dig back fairly far to get a big enough picture to even have a large enough sample to draw any sort of conclusion. And even then I'd be suspect of any results you might get.
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AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
Quoting ManxATP (Thread starter): Has anybody any ideas or opinions? Can you identify anything similar with your family?
As often as I've thought about it, my family tree has too many Southern Democrats popping out babies faster than you can count 'em in the genealogy.
But then, growing up in the SF Bay Area in the 60's and 70's, in a family deeply involved in the arts, and recognizing that friends of my parents did more than share a flat together, didn't make what I was feeling myself seem at all a bit queer.
FlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4621 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
I don't think there is such a thing as a gay gene. Then again I haven't got a PhD in human genetics. I do however believe that when X&Y take place, a gay child can be concieved. After all it IS proven that we are genetically different.
I also don't believe that if I am gay my brother or kids (if I were to ever have any) need to be gay. But, there is evidence (again) that suggests the higher the number of consecutive kids you get with the same gender, the higher the probability that they are gay. In that study they found that the highest probability peaked when you're 3rd consecutive kid is male.
Well, guess what? I'm the 3rd male amongst my siblings! Shit really hit the fan the night I was concieved
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13027 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
But some families are not able to trace things like this. My father's family is like this. The men will marry women and the women will marry men. Period. Mom's side is a little more open but still, it is not something they talk about. So, I have no idea.
RobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4555 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
My uncle (father's youngest brother) is gay, and I am gay. My boyfriend's brother is gay and that's it: their parents have no other 'straight' children, and therefore no 'natural' grandchildren. I do have two heterosexual siblings and three nephews and one niece.
ManxATP From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2378 times:
Perhaps I was being over simplistic by suggesting that sexuality was as clearly defined as gay or straight. There are of cause many shades of grey in between, however perhaps this could be where self perception and environment are influential? I guess that the consistency of the number of homosexuals (the much contested 10% figure) is suggestive of some sort of pre-determination, rather than it being a completely arbitrary factor.
There would be difficulties in researching such a notion (i.e. the inability to disprove the hypothesis) because how can anybody, for certain, label a dead ancestors sexuality!? It is completely contestable and reliant on anecdotal evidence - I just hope granddad wasn't having a 'senior moment'!!
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
My great uncle was gay. That's the only one identified in my family with homosexual tendencies, other than me. He died of AIDS in the 80's, so he kind of came out in his last days on the earth, because it was obvious. Sad, really, he was so afraid of people knowing he had AIDS that he told everyone he had cancer. But, in all honesty, I was about 8 when he died, so perhaps he told me that because cancer seemed easier to understand for a child. But I think society had put a lot of shame on him for being gay AND having AIDS.
Other than that, I can't think of any that are gay, though I do question some members of my family.
Jetset763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
Wow I am really suprised how many other gay people there is on this forum , I've only just joined this forum and there are loads. It must have something to do with Aviation! - I wonder what the connection is though....hmmm
Hey young man. You bring up another question. You say that you are gay. I see in your profile that your age is between 13 and 15. For that you are in the middle or even beginning (if you are only 13) of puberty. I really doubt that a boy or girl at this age already can tell if he/she is gay, hetero or bi. I remember that with the age of 14 I was interested in girls and boys. I think most people only can be sure perhaps between 16 and 18. Of course everybody is different.
: I already "knew" when I was 13. I was only "sure" though when I was 17.
: Yes, that was what I actually wanted to ask. At this young age you probably guess something, but to be really sure you have to pass puberty (17-18 or
: I think most people go through that phase of experimentation. I wouldn't go as far as calling it bisexuality though, since they have already establis
: Hmm, I came out first when I was 13, having known a bit before that even, and haven't gone back since, so it is definately true that some people real
: That's really early. With 13 I even did not really know much about sex and was not yet into puberty. But obviously I was late bloomer .
: My sister is lesbian, and some aunts, and we even suspect our grandma (now deceased) that she was stuck into a straight relationship with our grandpa
: I've ALWAYS wondered what the gay/aviation connection was. There has to be something inherent. I mean, just by looking at a.net as a microcosm of the
: Waaay back and not directly in line with my personal lineage, we "suspect" that my grandmother's uncle was gay. He had a male companion living with hi