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Bush Takes Blame For Katrina Blunders  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
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Will it be too little, too late?

I for one am glad to see him make these statements, the buck should (and does) stop with the President.

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
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This was bound to happen. He's going to focus on fixing the problems found, but I wonder what others here are going to say?

Falcon. He has now done what you said he never does.



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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Well, it's pretty easy to take the blame when there are no actual repercussions from doing so, so a safe move by Bush to shore up some of his crumbling support.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Will it be too little, too late?

Probably not. From where he is standing on the "approval rating scale" one can't go anywhere but up.

I am glad he's taking responsibility. He probably should have done some things different. However, as the inevitable congressional hearings will show, this sounds like a failure on about every level of government, top-to-bottom.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:
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How can you say there are no repercussions? He is opening himself up to more attack by accepting blame, don't you think?

I think we need to be patient and see where this takes us...but it feels like a new direction.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

While encouraging news, Bush's statement was somewhat qualified:

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.

It's more like "the buck stops where I want it to stop".



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting LHMark (Reply 2):
Well, it's pretty easy to take the blame when there are no actual repercussions from doing so, so a safe move by Bush to shore up some of his crumbling support.

While I respect anyone who "takes responsibility" for something, part of that includes paying consequentially for one's actions or lack thereof. And therefore I agree with you LHMark, I'm not really sure I see that in this case.

But his value as a leader--indeed now "responsible" for putting the correct resources, both personnel and otherwise, in place to fix the problem--will be told from this point on, and for that, I'm glad that we seem to have some sort of starting point for the rebuilding to begin. Without anyone taking responsibility for past [in]actions, there is no explicit person to take responsibility to move forward.

-Mike



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
It's more like "the buck stops where I want it to stop".

You mean... Where it should stop. Theres only so much that can be done when a Local and State government is incompitent and doesn't follow the guidelines of a Standardized Emergency Management System.

NOLA could learn a lot from California, a plan ironically suggested to be put in place at State levels by FEMA:

http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vetext/DANR/DANRGuide2_33-38SEMS.pdf


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

If Bush takes responsibility, he is practicing weak leadership.

if Bush doesn't take responsibility, he is practicing weak leadership.

Let me ask you straight out, short of dying or resigning, is there ANYTHING...anything at all that the poor man CAN do that would make you happy?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
How can you say there are no repercussions? He is opening himself up to more attack by accepting blame, don't you think?

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.

I would guess you're right . . . but no one can say he's just waiting it out in the White House . . .

Now, if PotUS would get FEMA out from under the DHS umbrella and eliminate a whole level of bureacracy from it's chain of command, that would be great.

Let's see what he says Thursday evening . . . better be good.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

Let's see what he says Thursday evening . . . better be good.

I'm stocking up on extra popcorn. I'll even share!



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 8):
Let me ask you straight out, short of dying or resigning, is there ANYTHING...anything at all that the poor man CAN do that would make you happy?

I'm thoroughly convinced anything short of dying will not be enough for these clowns.


User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Well, that's a start. I must admit I am surprised, although looking at the poll numbers, Bush has only one way to go, and that's up. He would have a lot more credibility in my book if he had admitted mistakes on 9/11 and Iraq , although I think the Iraq debacle warrants impeachment.

Now bring FEMA back to where it was under Clinton. Start by firing all the unqualified cronies. Open up the re-building efforts to competitive bids. Eliminate planned tax-cuts to cover the cost of recovery/re-building.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

Let's see what he says Thursday evening . . . better be good.

I'm stocking up on extra popcorn. I'll even share

My Hero!  biggrin 


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting President Bush:

"I take responsibility"
"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility,"

 faint 


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
Quoting President Bush:

"I take responsibility"
"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility,"

 faint 

I'd do the same thing if  cry  and  hissyfit  would own up to their own blunders . . .


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

It's about time he takes responsability for something. In order to go forward you need a first step, so let's hope his statement was the first step towards better leadership, although after some of the stuff he said about Iraq and Siria, I doubt it.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 8):
Let me ask you straight out, short of dying or resigning, is there ANYTHING...anything at all that the poor man CAN do that would make you happy?

He can jump in to the Potomac river ! Big grin
Oh I get to keep his daughter Jenna.  Silly



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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

While hell may not have frozen over, there must be a little frost there today...  eek 


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
Now bring FEMA back to where it was under Clinton. Start by firing all the unqualified cronies. Open up the re-building efforts to competitive bids. Eliminate planned tax-cuts to cover the cost of recovery/re-building.

FEMA was a joke then too. It took six days days for a response to Andrew. States need to follow California's lead in what they did after the San Francisco earthquake and get a standardized plan together.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 11):
I'm thoroughly convinced anything short of dying will not be enough for these clowns.

Damn you, you guessed it.

On second thought, if he closed Love Field, we might have a deal.



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Wow, good for him. Seriously - is this the first time he has publicly accepted responsibility for one of his administration's many major 'mistakes' (to put it mildly)? And who in the administration allowed this acceptance of responsibility to slip through the cracks? At this point you'd think it would have thrown up red flags at the earliest stages of proposal.

Maybe he can put together another bureacracy to oversee DHS , FEMA, etc. for one of his inexperienced friends to mismanage that can make the response to the next disaster even more convoluted and disorganized.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

I still don't trust Bush and will not give any praise for accepting responsibility.
Why did Bush hire Michael Brown in the first place?
Didn't Bush see that this man brought nothing to the table?
Bush doesn't deserve any medal for accepting responsibility for his administrations f--k ups.
Besides, every conservative news outlet is blaming and pointing fingers at every Democrat that was in the path of hurricane Katrina's path.
Therefore, George W. Bush himself doesn't need to do it.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting LHMark (Reply 2):
Well, it's pretty easy to take the blame when there are no actual repercussions from doing so, so a safe move by Bush to shore up some of his crumbling support.

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Quoting Matt D (Reply 8):
Let me ask you straight out, short of dying or resigning, is there ANYTHING...anything at all that the poor man CAN do that would make you happy?

If he started taking the environment seriously then I would let some of his other bullshit slide. At least Tony Blair has THAT going for him, if nothing else.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 11):

I'm thoroughly convinced anything short of dying will not be enough for these clowns.

Well, that's what makes you a narrow-minded r-e-a-c-t-i-o-n-a-r-y.  Big grin



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 19):
FEMA was a joke then too. It took six days days for a response to Andrew.

WHAT! Sacrilege! FEMA worked beautifully under Clinton (Peace be unto him). Bush screwed it up. It's all Bush's fault!

signed,
you-know-who


25 AeroWesty : Guys, guys, Hurricane Andrew made landfall on Aug. 24, 1992, while Bush 41 was president. Many have theorized that the lack of an appropriate respons
26 SATX : I was under the impression that FEMA was better respected under Clinton. Am I wrong? Are you saying that we're holding Bush to a higher standard than
27 Post contains images Dragon-wings : Stop the presses! He actually admitted he made a mistake?
28 DLKAPA : Up until now, he never did what he just did.
29 Post contains images Clickhappy : one thing I have never understood is people who take one side of an argument and refuse to budge, even when presented with such things as facts and fl
30 Post contains images Redngold : (Playing Devil's Advocate) Yeah, he's truly sorry and takes responsibility... because there are over 200 oil rigs either destroyed or missing in the
31 Post contains images Superfly : That's no different that starting a flame thread and then apologizing for it. Does that warrant a medal?   [Edited 2005-09-13 21:30:45]
32 B744F : Nice use of sources and examples. By the way, funding of FEMA and other agencies was cut drastically under Bush compared to the Clinton administratio
33 Post contains images Redngold : Did I *give* him a ? I don't think so. I'm giving him credit for growing up a little bit. Unfortunately, he should have been a grownup *before* he ra
34 Sidewinder : that's because he is a republican and you don't like republicans. I don't remember anyone mentioning a medal.
35 MidnightMike : Then perhaps you should write your Congressmen, Democrats as well as Republicans: Brown had the blessing of the Democrats in congress as the time whe
36 SATX : IMO, Bush has already dug such a deep hole in his credibility that it's going to take a Herculean effort to ever regain even a shred of respect in my
37 B744F : You don't have to have a hatred of Republicans to realize what a joke this entire administration has been from day 1 when the 'states rights' advocat
38 Sidewinder : Well what about the previous administration??? I heard very clearly on national TV "I did not have sexual relations with that women" or something ver
39 Post contains images Superfly : MidnightMike: So it's all the Democrats fault after all. Perhaps the Democrats gave Bush too much credit and assumed Bush properly did his homework. P
40 Rsmith6621a : I Say It's All Spin and C.Y.A Bush is trying to reduce the possibility of a Bi-Partisan investigation that could in essence find evidence of criminal
41 We're Nuts : You got it. He has no more elections and plenty of room to experiment with things that make his numbers go up and down. Not that it should even matte
42 Clickhappy : So if Kerry would have been POTUS then none of this would have happened? Come on man, that is wrong. Almost as wrong as you hanging out at ice skating
43 Mir : There are two stages to admitting an error. First is admitting that it was made. Second is taking action to either made amends for that error, or to p
44 AeroWesty : At least we wouldn't have had someone in charge of FEMA who even failed at judging horses.
45 Post contains images We're Nuts : Could have been worse. I heard Kerry and Cfalk were college dorm mates.
46 Dan-Air : So FEMA is a joke under Bush then, eh 7E7? I Agree. Clinton appointed James Lee Witt as head of FEMA, a man with 4 years emergency management experie
47 Rsmith6621a : Is that what you read in Kerrys statement Royal??? it would be nice to hear your reply.
48 Boeing7E7 : FEMA has always been a joke. This is why they are only a backup to state response. They are an aid and logistics agency not a response agency.[Edited
49 Post contains links YOWza : Go to www.google.com Type "failure" into the search box Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button 'nuff said. YOWza
50 SATX : Blind loyalty forgives anything.
51 LTBEWR : With President Bush making the statement of taking blame, it is more to cut off further discussion in the press on his part of this cluster f-up, to m
52 Sidewinder : Hey! someone who gets it!
53 Blackbird1331 : He is at least a week late with this announcement.
54 Boeing7E7 : You would know....
55 Jaysit : "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility . . . " Gee, isn't this in the job description? Responsible
56 Post contains images Blackbird1331 : Jaysit: I am glad you left out the "H". Nice post.
57 SATX : That's just what I would expect from a little kid on the playground. Good luck finding someone I'm blindly loyal to. Then again, you've never been on
58 Clickhappy : The thing is, lets say Bush did step down, most of the "left hardliners" would be calling Bush a quitter. I guess there is no right answer, but at lea
59 SATX : I'm probably a 'left hardliner' in your view, but I promise you that I would be way too busy rejoicing (if Bush & Co. decided to simply step down) to
60 AeroWesty : We didn't call Nixon a quitter. We were just happy to see him go.
61 Post contains images We're Nuts : Sorry it's a little late, meshing three images is a bitch, and the horse wouldn't stop sneezing. You mean this isn't who we elected?? I kinda want a r
62 MidnightMike : Superfly, Actually, I said to write to your Republican & Democraft congressmen, but, saying that. President nominated Michael Brown, the Senate confi
63 AeroWesty : A small but important point. Michael Brown's confirmation hearing on June 19, 2002 centered around his appointment as the Deputy Director of FEMA. Hi
64 Dan-Air : Right on! Mass casualties resulting from a president's actions are so inconsequential compared to a president getting a..a...a..(gosh dare I say it?)
65 Theredbaron : At the risk of my post being deleted (because some find it offensive)... First this amazing statement will bring closure to this gigantic blunder, bas
66 Sidewinder : Lets see...are we talking about the casualties as a result of the storm or the war? I guess you are right. The state and local authorities must rely
67 Post contains links AeroWesty : Interesting report from the Congressional Research Service, done at the request of Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI). I won't draw any conclusio
68 MidnightMike : Yes, he was appointed to be the Deputy Director, so, if he is good enough to be the 2nd in charge, then he is good enough to be in charge.......
69 AeroWesty : I'm sure this will all come out in the investigation. One of the reasons he didn't have to go through a second round of hearings was because the FEMA
70 Post contains images Falcon84 : And you give credit where it is due, Ian. I watched a snippet of where he said that, and he did not look like a happy camper-NOT insofar as what he h
71 FDXMECH : Good thing Kerry wasn't elected. You'd be chasing your tail in search for a Republican to blame. Did you ever notice how people who give their honest
72 Wobbles : Holy Shit, what could be next? The Cubs winning the world series, the Pope turning Jewish? The coyote catching the road runner? I thought he never mad
73 Tbar220 : This is a joke. I don't trust him. Last week in a conversation with Pelosi, she asked him to fire Mike Brown because of the problems he had with deali
74 Post contains links Jaysit : But he wasn't. So, GWB who fought so hard for the privilege of being President again, took the crown - and the responsibility. Remember that concept
75 Pope : At least he didn't send his wife out to blame a "vast Left wing conspiracy" the way his predecessor did. For whatever failures the administration may
76 Jaysit : No, he just sent his mother out to provide her racist editorial comments in the face of a national disaster even as he continued to praise his own cr
77 Post contains links Jaysit : Bipartisan report on timeliness of Governor Blanco's response http://www.opencrs.com/rpts/M20050912_20050912.pdf So much for Dubya's attempt to deflec
78 Pope : He didn't send his mother to do anything. She offered no excuses whatsoever. And still the fact remains that he's the only elected government officia
79 Falcon84 : George Bush---> Iraq. Enough said, FDXMECH. That's the perfect case studly for what you said. I don't either, and never will. But I give credit where
80 Pope : Have you ever read our Constitution? My guess is no because if you did, you wouldn't make that sort of statement. The President of the United States,
81 Jaysit : What a load of bull. Emergency preparedness is a local issue only under limited circumstances, which the city had been doing for years. FEMA is under
82 Falcon84 : Stick it dude. I'm putting the blame where it belongs-on the President. And, gee, Pope, he HIMSELF takes the blame-BUT YOU LET HIM OFF THE HOOK! The
83 Jaysit : LOL. Good response. Actually, remember the memos on the very strong possibility of a terrorist attack on NYC involving commercial airplanes that Cond
84 Pope : So until 2001 everything was fine. If only this Hurricane had hit during Clinton's presidency things would have been so much better. I'm sure that on
85 11Bravo : The Federal Government directly participates in emergency management situations every day. You just don’t know what you’re talking about. The US
86 Falcon84 : What a crock of shit, Pope! You're comparing JFK's call to go to the moon-backed with FEDERAL MONEY AND RESOURCES, to state and local responses to th
87 Tbar220 : Oh this is just priceless. I really want to know your explanation for this. So you're saying that poor people in this country have become reliant on
88 Pope : I'm saying that the statement highlighting how good NOLA did in getting 80% of the people out when their plan was to get 60% out is a crock of shit.
89 Falcon84 : Typical, GOP, lazzie-faire bullshit, Pope. It becomes the problem of local, state and federal in that case, Pope. You think Washington should just tw
90 Pope : I've already lived through Andrew and was without power for almost three weeks. The storm blew 3/4 of our roof off so we were sleeping outside in a t
91 Falcon84 : And even AFTER THAT, you're still that heartless and that pitiless towards the folks in the Gulf? Good God, where is your humanity? That astounds me.
92 Jaysit : Q: What is George W. Bush's position on Roe vs. Wade? A : He really doesn't care how po' folk get out of New Orleans.
93 Post contains images ANCFlyer : That's a pretty damned bizarre thought . . . I don't know if it was you, Jaysit, or someone else I responded to regarding thie 60% v 80% figure. Rega
94 Falcon84 : Actually, despite the difference, ANC, it's dead-on. Pope is heaping all the blame on state/local, because of his strict constitutional interpretatio
95 MidnightMike : Poor comment, whether or not the Federal Government received anything, it was not shared with the local Government. As for the Death & Destruction, t
96 FDXMECH : My statement wasn't about Kerry whatsoever. But basically if a Dem was elected president, who would Superfly blame then? Read the above. By the way,
97 MaverickM11 : Bingo. Probably the only way to make the left happy would be for Bush to strap on a bomb pack during a cabinet meeting and detonate it. And they STIL
98 B744F : I beg to differ, the White House, CIA, FBI, DIA, NSA all had warning, many were specific warnings.
99 Pope : And you proved my point. One minute you're arguing that it's a shared responsibility, the next you're saying that he's the only one responsible. Whic
100 B744F : Speaking of flip flopping Do you happen to know this guy called George W Bush? He first opposed No Child Left Behind He first opposed The Dept of Hom
101 Pope : Yes. He was elected President of the United States twice.
102 B744F : Once, he was appointed once as well And that proves nothing except the intelligence of the voting public
103 Pope : At some point, left winger like you are going to have to get over that. ========= So liberals are for free elections unless the voting public is stup
104 Sidewinder : I know a good test....Its called the chad test.....all you need to do is see if you can poke a hole in a piece of paper.
105 Post contains links GuitrThree : Pope, trying to argue with Falcon is a loss cause.. He only has two weapons. One is, "Your a liberal bashing conservative, so your wrong," and two, "t
106 Post contains images MxCtrlr : What, exactly, do you think he SHOULD take responsibility for? The City of New Orleans' response? Maybe the State of Louisiana's response? Possibly t
107 Falcon84 : Yeah. Right. Sure. Whatever. I'm so predictable-and you're going to tell everyone that you KNEW I was going to come out on here and give the Presiden
108 GuitrThree : Pope, See? EASY to predict Falcon.. Boxed into not being able to say "there you go again bringing up Clinton..." Well, it's ok to say the POTUS is ult
109 Falcon84 : You can go to somewhere very warm, GuitrThree. I'm not arguing with someone who only sees one side of the coin on every issue. Lots of conservatives o
110 TedTAce : Your telling a certified a.nutter to do what?
111 GuitrThree : Ummm, yea.. "con-man." More attacks.. You're not arguing with me because you can't. You, my friend, are the only one that is seeing "one" side of the
112 AeroWesty : Why? We have that many spies who need outing? Now, now, Reverend Al may be a loud-mouthed nutjob, but he makes me laugh, so I give him a pass.
113 We're Nuts : GuitrThree, what is your point? I don't follow.
114 Falcon84 : He has no point, Nutsy, that's the problem. Read the junk he puts in his last post-and that's what it is-junk. It's nothing but a bitter rant, nothing
115 Pope : Hello, pot, this is the kettle.
116 Falcon84 : Spoken like a true Bush apologist, Pope. You can lump it right along with GuitrThree, dude.
117 Pope : Falcon, you need to get over your obsession with me. You invent what you want to invent in order to make points that simply aren't supported. Please
118 Post contains images Falcon84 : You can't use the word obsession, Pope-CaptOveur has the rights to that on here. And for what you said-whatever. You can't take the heat, don't post.
119 We're Nuts : GuitrThree wants to hear Falcon84 say that because he doesn't enjoy cold showers, it should follow that he doesn't enjoy hot showers either. After al
120 GuitrThree : And you don't like mine. Unlike you, who acts like a 5 year old because I call someone out, you don't have the balls to argue. Why? Read on.. And I m
121 Post contains images We're Nuts : Falcon84, if I knew you in a past life as Alpha1, I don't think the word "friend" is appropriate. But cheers to you now! I was 12 when I got my first
122 TedTAce : What do you expect from "Gallatin, TN"?
123 Falcon84 : I've never seen you put out "facts". You put out OPINION, like everyone else on here. So much for that. And you're "facts" are one-sided, butt-kissin
124 GuitrThree : Umm, so 1,000+ people didn't die during a heat wave in 1995? That ISN'T a fact? Humm.. I guess I need to be told the definition of "fact" then.
125 Post contains images Falcon84 : Dude, do you live on here, waiting for me to show up? You seriously need a life, dude.
126 Post contains images GuitrThree : You're answering me as quickly as I am you!
127 Falcon84 : I was gone for about 10 hours, dude. And when I come back, you're on here, like a Chickenhawk, waiting for it's prey. You REALLY need a life.
128 Post contains images GuitrThree : So was I. I drove over 500 miles today.. 6:30AM-6:00PM. I guess we work the same shift? But.. some prey is easier than other! Waiting to pick off tho
129 Falcon84 : So that's why you always get eaten alive on here? Ah, I get it now. "L"
130 Post contains images GuitrThree :
131 We're Nuts : I try not to point out the painfully obvious, but Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate in 2000, not 1995 (which, if I recall correctly, was not
132 GuitrThree : Yea, she was only the "First Lady" of the USA. So, you say? What powers does someone in her position have? None? Really, well then don't you remember
133 We're Nuts : I also remember the Republicans shot her down. Wasn't there some sort of agreement made between both parties that ended in the Democrats dropping soc
134 B744F : It is if you vote GOP
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