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New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

According to the Boston Globe, this clown has been ripping on everyone but himself, but it turns out that he WAS warned about how bad Katrina was going to be by none other than U.S. National Hurricane Center DIRECTOR Max Mayfield.

Now I've read here that he has purchased a home in Dallas and sent his kids to school there...

this man should be prosecuted!!!


"The atmosphere in New Orleans, at city hall, and the police department, was relaxed. No one was really concerned about Hurricane Katrina, despite dire warnings from the U.S. National Hurricane Center, including a direct call to Mayor C. Ray Nagin’s home by Max Mayfield, the center’s director, which was logged in an official timeline of events “compiled by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, which oversees the National Hurricane Center.”

According to a riveting account of events by the Boston Globe, there was no sense of alarm, as officials in the city felt that they had been through enough storms in the past and that this one would be no different.

There were 1600 members of the police available, and a total of four skiffs for rescue operations. The overall feeling, according to Jasmine Haralson, chief of staff for a New Orleans city councilman, Jay Batt, was one of little worry. There was “a closed-door briefing at City Hall on the Saturday before the storm hit. Nagin was there, as were Police Superintendent Eddie Compass, the city's department heads, and several City Council members. But the atmosphere was calm, routine.“ "

“Late on Aug. 27, less than 36 hours before Hurricane Katrina crashed into the Gulf Coast, New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin's home phone rang. It was Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center in Florida. Katrina was a ''worst-case" pattern, Mayfield warned. A mandatory evacuation of New Orleans was necessary. As history shows, “Thousands of residents were streaming north by then, alarmed by the increasingly dire predictions on the Weather Channel and on the local news. But it was not until 11 a.m. on Sunday, Aug. 28, almost 12 hours after Mayfield's call, that Nagin ordered the evacuation.”

[Edited 2005-09-15 14:44:30]


"Up the Irons!"
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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Blah blah blah....

Convict POTUS for re-allocating the levee funds too then you can hang Mayor  hissyfit  as high as you want to.


User currently offlineLON-CHI From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

From an article in today's Chicago Tribune:

"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long.

According to news reports, neither the state of Louisiana nor the city of New Orleans had planned to stock the facility with water or food. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had hastily offloaded 90,000 liters of water and 43,776 military meals, or MREs, at the sports facility, an inadequate supply for the swelling mass of evacuees."


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Ted,

Before you make the jail bed for W, you might want to read the following article from NBC News based on their investigative report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9342186/

Some of the excerpts:

"The unveiling of the Mardi Gras Fountain was celebrated this year in typical New Orleans style. The cost of $2.4 million was paid by the Orleans Levee Board, the state agency whose main job is to protect the levees surrounding New Orleans — the same levees that failed after Katrina hit."

"In fact, NBC News has uncovered a pattern of what critics call questionable spending practices by the Levee Board — a board which, at one point, was accused by a state inspector general of "a long-standing and continuing disregard of the public interest."

"Beyond the fountain, there's the $15 million spent on two overpasses that helped gamblers get to Bally's riverboat casino. Critics tried and failed to put some of that money into flood protection.

"There was also $45,000 for private investigators to dig up dirt on radio host and board critic Robert Namer."

"Namer sued and the board then spent another $45,000 to settle."


My favorite is this quote from the President of the Board:

Huey says, "As far as the overall flood protection system, it's intact, it's there today, it worked. In 239 miles of levees, 152 floodgates, and canals throughout this entire city, there was only two areas."

If this was success, I can't imagine what this guys considers failure.

It seems that there was plenty of money that was available to them. How they spent it is another story all together.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Convict POTUS for re-allocating the levee funds too then you can hang Mayor as high as you want to

Nice to see the emoticon has stuck . . .  biggrin 

TedT - we don't want to go thru all of this all over again . . . the guy has the leadership qualities of a scrub brush. He let his citizens down wholly.

He does NOT stand alone but the he was the quarterback at kick off and all he's done is get sacked on every play.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Ted- Once again, you stand factually corrected. And of the projects presently on the slate for the Orleans Levee Board, only TWO actually have to deal with direct repair, maintenance or construction of levees themselves.

http://www.orleanslevee.com/Bids%20a...%20Proposals%20-%20Engineering.htm

Facts are funny things. But nice try with the bait post...you need to try harder dude.  Smile


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Former NOLA Mayor (and Federal indictee) Marc Morial was on the news this AM (why? couldn't tell you since he is also to blame and is as guilty of corruption there as anyone ever was), and even he--although it might have been a CYA move--stated that Nagin fouled up the works.

He said when Georges hit, the Superdome and Convention Center were last refuges and both were stocked and ready, ith medical and relief workers on duty.

Nagin is done- the guy isn't qualified to be dogcatcher in Gary, Indiana.


User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Did anyone catch Nagin on Larry King last night?

There was one statement of complete irony from Nagin that blew me away.

King asked him his thoughts when he heard about find those 34 dead in the nursing home.
Nagin's reply was (sorry, this is not vebatim) something like, I can't believe they would do that. Those people were in their care and they were responsible for getting them to safety.
I looked at the TV and went, Ah-Duh! Isn't that the MAYOR"S responsibility to his citizens as well?

No racial intent here, but if that's not the pot calling the kettle black!

Russ



My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Ted, your sudden silence when confronted with facts on this issue is deafening. It's easy to take pot shots based on opinions. Why don't you engage and address the facts that have been posted on this issue in response to your post? Be a man.

[Edited 2005-09-15 19:12:36]

User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
you might want to read the following article

I also read somewhere about the Levee Board buying or leasing a private jet. Anyone else hear this?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
the guy has the leadership qualities of a scrub brush.

Your giving him too much credit me-thinks. Big grin  Big grin

Chip


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Ted, your sudden silence when confronted with facts on this issue is deafening. It's easy to take pot shots based on opinions. Why don't you engage and address the facts that have been posted on this issue in response to your post? Be a man.

Pope- he can't argue something based on fact if he is unarmed with them or a means of debating said facts.

Too bad- I was looking forward to this argument for the fifteenth time. Not.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long."

All the news reports before the storm predicted that the superdome would lose power, there would be no drinking water, the toilets would not work, the playing field would be flooded, and the whole building surrounded by flood water. It was well known beforehand that people entering the dome were doomed.

[Edited 2005-09-15 20:24:34]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
"The unveiling of the Mardi Gras Fountain was celebrated this year in typical New Orleans style. The cost of $2.4 million was paid by the Orleans Levee Board, the state agency whose main job is to protect the levees surrounding New Orleans — the same levees that failed after Katrina hit."

"In fact, NBC News has uncovered a pattern of what critics call questionable spending practices by the Levee Board — a board which, at one point, was accused by a state inspector general of "a long-standing and continuing disregard of the public interest."

"Beyond the fountain, there's the $15 million spent on two overpasses that helped gamblers get to Bally's riverboat casino. Critics tried and failed to put some of that money into flood protection.

Oops!

I said it before, yes the Federal Government blew this big time, but when the waters recede and people start asking questions, the local government will be absolutely crucified.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9519 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 6):
Those people were in their care and they were responsible for getting them to safety.
I looked at the TV and went, Ah-Duh! Isn't that the MAYOR"S responsibility to his citizens as well?

So, if your house catches on fire and you run for the hills and leave junior behind, that's the Mayor's responsibility, right?

Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
And of the projects presently on the slate for the Orleans Levee Board, only TWO actually have to deal with direct repair, maintenance or construction of levees themselves.

The history of the board is as follows...

An amendment to the 1921 Constitution was made by Act 292 of 1928: It empowered the Orleans Levee Board "to perform certain works of reclamation, construction, and improvement" and authorized the Board to sell, lease, or dispose of land not dedicated to public use."

I'm looking over these projects (all listed below) and not one of these seems out of ordinary for day in and day out operations for reclamation, construction, and improvement required of lands to a public district.

Improvements could include building a new fountain for "cosmetic" reasons or doing construction projects to enhance the attraction of businesses to the area. These improvement projects are aimed at spurring people to the area, economic growth and development, which in turn, especially if designed as a Tax Increment Financing district, means generated tax revenue goes right back to the Levee district.

This type of business is atypical of any public entity. Attend a couple of your own city council meetings.

Seabrook Bridge Fender System Improvements
South Shore Harbor Marine Fuel Facility
Repair of Flood Gate W-30
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Wedell Hangar Lead Abatement and Coating Improvements Shaw-Coastal, Inc.
Lakeshore Drive Improvements Plaza
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Fuel Farm Clean Tanks and Mechanical Improvements
Mississippi River Flood Gates Rehabilitation
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Taxiway Alpha Drainage Improvements
Orleans Marina Asphalt East Roadway
New Basin Canal Mariana Improvements
Orleans Marina Repaint Steel Walkways Upper Structure

Quoting LON-CHI (Reply 2):
"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long.

According to news reports, neither the state of Louisiana nor the city of New Orleans had planned to stock the facility with water or food.

Food and water was scarce because the Super Dome was "out of season" for the purpose of which it was built. A lot of times, last ditch efforts, in any given situation, do not come with luxuries, but just a mere means of having shelter.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
Food and water was scarce because the Super Dome was "out of season" for the purpose of which it was built.

Great plan  Yeah sure.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9519 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Great plan .

It's typical of any U.S. city. Emergency response is not proactive, it's reactive.



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

That was funny & cold!!!  Smile Great comment, I need to remember that one....



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
So, if your house catches on fire and you run for the hills and leave junior behind, that's the Mayor's responsibility, right?

No. I wouldn't leave Jr behind. He's my responsibility.
As to Nagin, he is the mayor and he had a plan, and he didn't follow it. That was my point.

Russ



My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9519 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 17):
No. I wouldn't leave Jr behind. He's my responsibility.
As to Nagin, he is the mayor and he had a plan, and he didn't follow it. That was my point.

What was the plan, Russ?



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
What was the plan, Russ?

Here is just one example taken directly from the State of Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan.

"Assist persons with mobility limitations to find last resort
refuge. Mobilize all transportation resources and request
assistance from the state as needed."

Yet 1200 New Orleans School busses became submarines because the Mayor didn't use them.

Russ



My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Be a man

Squeak.

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

Right next to the picture of your wife Big grin

You guys Think this board is corrupt, you should see DCAD. The City of Miami, makes these guys look like winners. I know that's deflecting, but you HAVE to admit there's enough blame for EVERYONE on this. Considering FEMA is still doing a marginal job at best I think we ought to wait and see what a full independent review on this in a year's time brings.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 20):
Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Be a man

Squeak.

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

Right next to the picture of your wife

You guys Think this board is corrupt, you should see DCAD. The City of Miami, makes these guys look like winners. I know that's deflecting, but you HAVE to admit there's enough blame for EVERYONE on this. Considering FEMA is still doing a marginal job at best I think we ought to wait and see what a full independent review on this in a year's time brings.

There you go...everything but the white flag! Well done!

I too believe that a full review of this will tell us all what we didn't know when the first set of assumptions were being made by all of us armchair generals.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
I too believe that a full review of this will tell us all what we didn't know when the first set of assumptions were being made by all of us armchair generals.

In a smarmy Lt. Sulu voice: Yes Captain Jerrrk...


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9519 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 19):
Yet 1200 New Orleans School busses became submarines because the Mayor didn't use them.

You can't start a bus without a key.

Did you check to see if he called the school district to see if their use was possible? If the drivers were around. If those who had the keys available hadn't packed up and left dodge themselves?

I bet you haven't.



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 23):
I bet you haven't.

No, I haven't as I'm sure, you haven't either.

If transportation was part of the emergency plan, then the keys should have been available.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 15):
It's typical of any U.S. city. Emergency response is not proactive, it's reactive.

You said it yourself. If the response is not proactive, then it failed, and the person responsible, in part is Nagin.

Russ



My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
25 Post contains images Pope : Ted, barely hanging onto life given the pummeling he took on this thread arose from the dead like Lazarus and landed a devastating blow to KROC who w
26 Dan-Air : I caught this last night. F-ing unbelievable. Anyone know how much connection to or influence on, the Mayor has with this Levee Board?
27 ANCFlyer : Is that a rhetorical question STL, or do I need to send you a link? I would agree, Ian . . . and Amrchair General I may be, but I can read plain Non-
28 Post contains images MidnightMike : Drivers, you mean divers! The buses were parked in selected spots, even if the drivers left town, I doubt they had the keys in their pocket.. [Edited
29 DL021 : Yeah...but in the absence of the details of what happened beyond the hysterical press....tell me what we don't have that we should. Oh, and tell me w
30 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Roger . . .Understood . . . But ya know - that picture of over 250 school busses . . . well, my friend that speaks volumes . . . I do however agree -
32 STLGph : No, I don't have to because I know how government entities work. Getting a school bus is not as easy as snapping your finger or saying you're the may
33 Post contains images ANCFlyer : One More Time . . . the head of Orleans Parish is the Mayor of New Orleans . . . there is no Parish President. There is no City Manager STl . . . the
34 STLGph : Incorrect. Orleans Parish Council 1300 Perdido Street, 2nd Floor West New Orleans, LA 70112 Phone: (504) 565-6400 Fax: (504) 565-7655 Official Websit
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I sit corrected . . . my bad . . . thanks for the info . . .now I have other targets for my e-mail barrage . . . they are just as guilty as Nagin . .
36 STLGph : no worries. but i'm sure a few of those positions will be posted on Monster.com in a few days. you should apply. yeah, you saw the article I showed y
37 ANCFlyer : Too much heat and humidity, and too may bugs . . . that's why I didn't like Panama, South Korea, Equador and Colombia . . . I did, special meeting in
38 STLGph : they're hiding and probably not at all having one bit of complaint that they've been forgotten about. oh, if only i was a network correspondent...let
39 ORFflyer : The cognizant school district would have a set of keys, even if the drivers had already left town. As I understand, these buses were part of the evac
40 ANCFlyer : Not there . . . nothing regarding logistics, communications or recall of essential personnel . . . however, the State's Plan shouldn't necessarily in
41 Post contains images 777DadandJr : Thank You! At least someone else gets it! Russ
42 ORFflyer : Agree completely. That's why I think it was a black-eye for the mayor WRT the local plans. All they needed were the keyes.... plenty of drivers could
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Hell I've been blasting Mayor from day one . . . he and Governor are "fair weather politicians" with no gut when the going gets tough. Someone will s
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