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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

In another topic I referenced the most current fox news poll and noticed that it included some interesting questions.

Here's specifically what I am talking about - according to the poll, 73% of respondents donated money to Katrina relief efforts and 86% prayed for the victims. The way I see it - that's a full 13% that are praying, but not contributing financially.

As a reference, they included results from an earlier poll regarding the tsunami, this is even more startling - 51% donated money and again 86% prayed. This is a startling 35 point difference.

Here's the full PDF of the poll results - it's on page 4:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll_091505.pdf

Now, today was a national "day of prayer" for the hurricane victims. I realize that the intentions of those praying are probably good - but it seems like to me that, on a national level especially, we need to be doing more than just praying. I know, things are moving along pretty well now as far as relief efforts - but does a national day of prayer really do any good for the victims?

More importantly, I want to know what you think about the numbers above - why did so many people pray, but contribute nothing financially to help the victims of these large scale disasters? Is it simply a matter of that being all they could do? Maybe they did not have any money to give so they prayed instead? Or maybe they felt praying was enough so it got them "off the hook" for donating money. Do you think the victims would be better served if those people (who again, I realize have good intentions) who prayed had also donated money?

Honest inputs are appreciated as I really want to better understand the mentality here because, on the surface, something seems awry - but maybe there is more to it.

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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

Quoting KC135R (Thread starter):
it seems like to me that, on a national level especially, we need to be doing more than just praying

Don't forget that a lot more than "just" praying is being done. National public donations have been countless.

Having a national pray day hasn't changed that.

Quoting KC135R (Thread starter):
why did so many people pray, but contribute nothing financially to help the victims of these large scale disasters?

I'd say most likely that it could be all they can do. Not everybody can afford to donate money, but they can afford a minute for a prayer.

And IMO, that's still commendable.




-NWA742


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

I personally get annoyed with people who think that sitting around and "praying" will be the solution to their problems. Get off your butt and do something about it yourself.

What a poll should be conducted on is why it's so easy to get people to be persuaded as to why talking to the invisible man above brings "strength, peace, and confidence."

If I started talking to imaginary people next to me, people would be calling the guys in white coats.

The most recent example...Louisiana's Governor two days after Katrina on the Today Show telling Matt Lauer she would be spending the day praying for the people in New Orleans and wanted people across the country to join her. Okay, you can all go back to ripping on the government now.

I remember some people from my freshman year who sat around each other and were part of the campuses religious group or whatever it was and talked about going to church here and there, etc. all the time were praying together in the classroom before the big mid term exam began.

Pretty much all of them failed. I got a 94%. When asked how I did so well I responded with "I read the book."

Ah, the power of prayer.

Okay, I'm done with my rant now.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Not everyone has the funds to donate by the way. And giving money is just taking the lazy way out. If you really cared you would stop what you were doing and go help, like a friend of mine did when the Tsunami hit Asia.

User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
Not everyone has the funds to donate by the way.

True - and not everyone can go help. I was dying to go help, but can not because I am prohibited from traveling to the affected areas by general order from my group commander. So, I did what I could - I gave money - but I do hope to do more later. I want to organize something locally at Christmas time to send clothes and even toys to the displaced families.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 1):
Don't forget that a lot more than "just" praying is being done. National public donations have been countless.

I know, I recognized that fact in my post - but the question is - does praying (and nothing else) do any good for the victims? Because I do not think it does. It doesn't hurt, but I don't see it helping much either.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 4):
but the question is - does praying (and nothing else) do any good for the victims? Because I do not think it does

Nobody can really know the answer to that question if you know what I mean.

Praying doesn't help as far as humans are concerned because it involves a higher being.

And that brings us back to the "Does God exist?" question.




-NWA742


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
And giving money is just taking the lazy way out.

BTW, while I agree that giving money is somewhat less of a contribution than going to actually help out - I don't consider it "lazy". Only so many folks with certain skills are really needed in the disaster zone - people with no rescue or rebuilding skills might be more in the way than helpful. Many other folks can not afford to stop working to go help.

So while sending money may take less effort than physically going to the area - it is still a real, tangible thing to do for people. People lost everything and will need money to buy things ranging from shoes to furniture. Money certainly is needed.

Praying, on the other hand, is not proven to have a tangible benefit. It might make people feel good, and if it is all they can do than it is commendable in that it is better than not caring at all, but it does not put food on the table or clothes on the body. If anything is the "lazy way out" it is doing nothing other than praying, IMO. However, that said, I maintain that people who pray likely have good intentions.


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

It is possible that some of the non-contributors fall into the group mentioned below:


" ... Since President Bush won the 2000 election, the number of people living in poverty in the US has grown from 31.1 million - an additional 6 million people. The number without health insurance also rose again last year, from 45 million to 45.8 million ... "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1559518,00.html



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting KC135R (Thread starter):
but does a national day of prayer really do any good for the victims?

NO.


The problem is these people are tithing (at best) to the Church and that's all they can afford, so if their church turns that money around they are 'donating by proxy' but in all reality they care more about perpetuating the same tired ritualistic CRAP then actually helping REAL people out.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
Not everyone has the funds to donate by the way. And giving money is just taking the lazy way out. If you really cared you would stop what you were doing and go help, like a friend of mine did when the Tsunami hit Asia.

And what are you doing B744F? I mean if us money givers are lazy, what are you doing? Me, I gave a decent chunk of money to the Salvation Army and I also gave a nice chunk to the North Shore Animal League as well. While what happened to New Orleans and Mississippi is tragic, I still have my own life, 2 jobs, a fiance, and other responsibilities to deal with so I just cannot pick up and head down South to "not be lazy and do something". The money I gave is helping those that can give their time hand out food and supplies, fund shelters etc. Don't tell me giving money is "lazy".


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 9):
The money I gave is helping those that can give their time hand out food and supplies, fund shelters etc. Don't tell me giving money is "lazy".

Exactly, let's not forget that most of us work very hard for our money. With that in mind, I have a difficult time understanding the whole "lazy" part that B744F is referring to.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1010 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 1):
I'd say most likely that it could be all they can do. Not everybody can afford to donate money, but they can afford a minute for a prayer.

And IMO, that's still commendable.

You know, that was a very nice comment & a good point, thanks for saying that...  Smile



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 990 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
If you really cared you would stop what you were doing and go help, like a friend of mine did

And your lazy ass just sat there and watched your friend leave...Idiot.


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