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More Argument For A National ID  
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 946 times:

First and foremost, I am opposed to anything be FORCED on anyone.

That being said, I'm wondering WHY Americans are afraid of a national ID system?

LEST we forget that A) ALL of us carry a Social Security card and B) a lot of the members of this forum (I expect) carry a passport.

The reason I bring this up is Katrina and all the problems people are having identifying themselves. I would THINK that given a national name/address/SSN/thumbprint/picture DB, it would be VERY easy for FEMA to match up people to who they say they are and easily re-issue an ID that they could use to get a job. Heaven forbid that such a system be used to keep Illegal Aliens from working in this country.. I just don't get it.. (I know what else is new)

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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 939 times:
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Stupid question... does an (optional) ID currently exist in the US? Or is the only form of identification the driver's license? How does a person without a driver's license identify itself as of today?

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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3611 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Any official government document with your picture is considered ID in the USA. (birth certificate, passport, drvers license, etc)

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 926 times:

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/13bMAID.htm

States can issue IDs for those who don't have a driver's licence. Also a passport is universally accepted as ID for those who don't have a licence.

LH423



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 926 times:

>> Any official government document with your picture is considered ID in the USA. (birth certificate, passport, drvers license, etc)

Birth certificates don't have pictures, but can be used with another photo ID as verification sometimes.

>> Stupid question... does an (optional) ID currently exist in the US? Or is the only form of identification the driver's license? How does a person without a driver's license identify itself as of today?

Yes, but it's at the state level, not federal level. Most (if not all) offer non-driver's liscense ID cards. They look exactly like a DL except they have "Identification" written in bold letters. For example:

http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php

>> That being said, I'm wondering WHY Americans are afraid of a national ID system?

It really doesn't bother me, I simply don't want to have to carry *another* card and another *number*. If a national ID was something like a Social Security card with a photo-ID, I'm cool.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 924 times:

Mananging a national ID card and database program in the USA would be a monstorous undertaking. It could conflict with our Constitution as to Federalism (powers and duties of the states vs. the Federal government) as well as serious constitutionally protected personal privacy issues. On the other hand, it would make it easier to id people whom lose their info (as from Hurricane Katrina), keep better track of criminals, reduce ID theft, but at a high cost of loss of privacy and possible abuse.
The state agencies that handle motor vehicle registration and drivers licensing also issue non-drivers picture id's, to provide id needs like to fly, enter secured building, residency proof, and so on. Because of the obtaining of drivers licenses with fradulent documents and information by the 9/11 hijackers, nationally eventually and already in some states there are strict programs of proof of idenity to obtain a drivers license or non-drivers ID. This includes requiring original stamped sealed birth certificates, or if a naturaized citizen, your citizenship papers among other documents. This is flawed too as we now see with the evacuees of Hurricane Katrina whom didn't bring those documents with them.
I think only the USA and the UK are among the only countries without a national ID card scheme. While it should be considered in both countries, (as to the UK, then you wouldn't need a passport to go to other EC countries!), there are issues as noted above that hold back our politicans from doing so.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 914 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
LEST we forget that A) ALL of us carry a Social Security card and B) a lot of the members of this forum (I expect) carry a passport.

We carry neither of those around with us on a regular basis. At least I don't. But why go through the trouble of making a whole new ID system when the current state ID's work just fine? As long as states keep updating their ID's like NJ did to the super-secure ones, I think we are fine. And just stop giving ID's to illegals, but that is a whole different issue.

Harry



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