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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 964 times:

Hey all,

today I had some stuff to do in FRA downtown. I left my car close to the Old Opera - somehow I was too busy and fixed within the week that I did not realize that the Chancellor was supposed to speak there around 5 pm. So when I returned, I heard his voice through the speakers and just went on the place. And let me just mention one thing, why I finally decided that I will vote FOR the present coalition. I should mention that I was not sure whether to vote at all and join the Theater. Another reason: The audience was rather composed of "average" people (let me use this expression without value), and not wannabe-elitists entrepreneurs...  Wink

Unlike in other countries, there was NO NEED for any increased security. Free access to the place (my car was about 10 yards away only, no control). Free movement. Free view. No controls ("kein Filzen")! It is great!

When I was working in the Reichstagsgebaeude (the German Parliament) when I was Student in Berlin, the same.. you can touch the Parliament. Chances are big that you meet lawmakers walking around "just like everyone else". No security hysteria, and no real hazard! That is how I want it to be.

Thanks, Mr. Schroeder that you deciced not to enter Iraq and "kpt Germany secure". Germans should realize that if Stoiber had won, there would probably be as big trouble as in the UK. For me a reason to vote for the coalition. It will be narrow, but now I am somehow convinced that we will get the "Traffic light coalition" (better than a big one, and the CDU/FDP might fail). It will be exciting, and may all Germans who should win and carry the consequences if the conservatives decide to help Bush to "search for Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iran, Syria or so.. I am happy that thus far security hazards are marginal. Thanks to teh Chancellor for that!

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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Thread starter):
Positive Observations During German Election

POsitive Observations about Germany:
Beer.
Women.
BMW
And unlike the US, Germany is a world superpower but that didn´t make them feel they were better than the rest of the world.

German footbal is good also, off course, not that good as we here.

and off course.

Heide klun

Nose from India, do you live in Germany??I tough you lived in Britain



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 943 times:

Well, I won't disagree with your political assessment, but the security situation is not just a question of hysteria. US presidents have been the target of assassination attempts too often to just ignore the standing threat... It hasn't just started with Iraq.

I guess it has something to do with the almost imperial position of the US president. I've always thought it was a mistake to abolish the very sensible separation between head of state and head of government. It's certainly part of the situation, as well as the american obsession with violence and guns.

Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 938 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
It's certainly part of the situation, as well as the american obsession with violence and guns.

Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here

And then there's that little skirmish called World War I that some would argue was sparked by the assassination of the Archduke of Austria.  Smile



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 938 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
And unlike the US, Germany is a world superpower but that didn´t make them feel they were better than the rest of the world.

You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
Nose from India, do you live in Germany??I tough you lived in Britain

I thought "all" the indians in Britain are actually pakistani...? Big grin


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
And then there's that little skirmish called World War I that some would argue was sparked by the assassination of the Archduke of Austria.

He wasn't a chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, so our federal security doesn't worry about serbian anarchists too much at this time...


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

yeap, that really sucked. But still, Germany has a major role in the world. Even here, lot´s of germans.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
I thought "all" the indians in Britain are actually pakistani...?

And here´s a tough on Cashemir fight.
Do you want the land???Why, piece of dry mountains with nothing on it.
Come to Brasil, we´ll more than happy to give you guys a piece of shore with some nice butts to refresh the thinking. Or maybe some piece of the amazon, came and get it. Everybody else is doing it, why not a cool guy like niji?!?!



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 924 times:

My politics are left-of-centre, not Christian-Democrat, but to give her her due, Angela Merkel does seem to have grown in confidence and seems more charismatic and as a personality is giving the media geile Gerhard Schröder a run for his money.

Our Jan-Peter Balkenende will surely be the first to congratulate her.

But I hope Frau Merkel isn't a new Margaret Thatcher?

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 919 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
Angela Merkel does seem to have grown in confidence and seems more charismatic and as a personality is giving the media geile Gerhard Schröder a run for his money.

She's indeed exceeding the rather low expectations people have... If she should win it will still be despite her lacking personal appeal relative to Schröder.

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
But I hope Frau Merkel isn't a new Margaret Thatcher?

No, not by a long shot. In german political terms she's still a conservative, but within the CDU she's relatively left of their center. She's still dead set to increase the gap between the low and high income brackets according to her statements so far.


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 916 times:

Thanks Klaus - that's a weight off my mind.

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 905 times:

I can't imagine her to "handbag" her political opponents in Maggie's style anyway... Big grin

User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 888 times:

From an American perspective, I perfer that Merkel does win. George W. Bush has screwed up our image abroad, and as also put strain on our relations with Germany and Schroeder. A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting QuestAir (Reply 11):
A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.

Not to mention she'll suck up to GWB quicker than you can say "WMD".



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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

Pale is an understatement!  Smile


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Quoting QuestAir (Reply 11):
From an American perspective, I perfer that Merkel does win. George W. Bush has screwed up our image abroad, and as also put strain on our relations with Germany and Schroeder. A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.

I think this carnival float pretty much sums up the populations's view on Merkel's stance in the Iraq discussion:



Bush's screwups cannot be "fixed" on this side of the Atlantic, don't get any illusions about that! Bush is resented because of what he did and how he did it, not because of anything Schröder said. If anything, Schröder followed popular opinion in the matter, he didn't create it.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 867 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...

I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Bush is resented because of what he did and how he did it, not because of anything Schröder said. If anything, Schröder followed popular opinion in the matter, he didn't create it.

Those that resent President Bush did so prior to the Iraq war. Chancellor Schroeder certainly played it up during his previous campaign as a means to deflect criticism and attention....that certainly helped mold public opinion.

It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 865 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

I am wondering about the same, Ian!

Patrick


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 863 times:
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Who is now ahead in the polling?


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 858 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Several dictionaries I checked agree that both forms mean the same thing in this context.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Those that resent President Bush did so prior to the Iraq war.

His earlier aggressive obstruction in practically all international matters had already soured public opinion, but prior to the Iraq campaign 9-11 had put most of those feelings into the background. When he used the terror attacks to attempt a very transparent justification of the Iraq invasion he lost what little face he still had.

It had nothing to do with some mythical "anti-americanism" that inexplicably arose without any reason at all.  Yeah sure

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Chancellor Schroeder certainly played it up during his previous campaign as a means to deflect criticism and attention....that certainly helped mold public opinion.

He only channelled an already existent public sentiment. Contrary to the USA, our public media had always reported the situation realistically, without the strange (and false) propaganda that dominated the US media at the time (and for which many have had to apologize in the mean time).

The blatant discrepancy between known evidence and official propaganda by the Bush administration was public knowledge, and that most people felt betrayed and resentful can't be a surprise.

Your incorrect assumption seems to be that the german population had been as oblivious to the evidence as you have been (many americans not even wanting to know).

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

Merkel's complete failure of judgment in the Iraq matter does in fact play a role in people's voting decision. It's not a dominant factor, but it is a factor. And with the previous unrealistic statement about a presumed resolution of the transatlantic reservations a correction was needed.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
Who is now ahead in the polling?

Schröder is significantly ahead of Merkel, but the CDU is significantly ahead of the SPD... But with that many people still undecided, it's not over yet...


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 855 times:

what time does the polls open? i know some people are curious as to when the polls open like me... even though i dont live in Germany... they close when i wake up  Smile

Leo



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 854 times:

They're open between 08:00-18:00 CET.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Right...finished, Thank God. Went running this morning and came across the school, did my duty, still believe I picked it right this time (a first for me in the 1st vote, as usual in my second vote  Wink)...now let's see.

Somehow I believe it won't be as close as many believe, the days of Mr. Schroeder are probably over, no matter what happens today (meaning there's no constellation imaginable AND realistic that he'll keep on being Chancellor, except the red-red-green one, and even then I somehow doubt he'll actually do this to himself).



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 835 times:

What a lovely day! Sun is shining.. my daily routine had begun (getting started) - I repaired my bike... now I will meet some old friends - all a little "alternative" (in a VERY WIDE sense) , we will have a wonderful ride in the mountains here, in this lovely climate, a picnick, do some sports, and on the way back, we will cast our vote.. two of them will vote void (one will vote for Kohl, the other for Die Partei - who does not run in Hessen), the rest will probably represent the entire spectra (seriously, everyone from Linkspartei to CDU).. that's how I like it to be! The consensus to disagree should not stop a successful tenure as chancellor, whosoever wins.. quite frankly, I think Andreas might be right with his estimate, that Merkel will win clearer than anticipated - but EVERYTHING can happen.. predicting around 60 million voters behavior is very, very difficult

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
but the security situation is not just a question of hysteria. US presidents have been the target of assassination attempts too often to just ignore the standing threat... It hasn't just started with Iraq.



You are right here.. but how does it look in UK (OK, again different), but Spain during Aznar? Italy? Luckily we are not in that situation

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
why not a cool guy like niji?!?!

I would be more than happy to come sometime!  

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
Cashemir fight.
Do you want the land???Why, piece of dry mountains with nothing on it.

Believe me.. it is gorgeous up there.. but I am neutral and will remain so

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

Ian, due to the Iraq war and Germany's role this issue has somehow "domesticated" here.. the US-German relations was one important issue, and I think it is not bad it is so. There is a lot behind this topic that affects almost every single person in the world...

[Edited 2005-09-18 13:51:25]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 820 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Several dictionaries I checked agree that both forms mean the same thing in this context.

OK...well a lifetime of actual English as a first language usage tells me that civil has two meanings.....the context in which you appeared to use the term "Civilian" was as follows

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...

In that context I believe that "civil" is the word you want for proper colloquial English. "Civil" in that regard means to be polite and agreeable. "Civilian" in that spot of the sentence did not really fit. Do what you want, but I was simply trying to be helpful. I have pointed out in the past that when I make a grammar correction to my European friends it's with the knowledge that most of them speak better English than I do their language, and it's in the spirit of being helpful.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
It had nothing to do with some mythical "anti-americanism" that inexplicably arose without any reason at all.

Oh, please stop being disengenuous....there has been a serious anti-American undertone in certain aspects of European society (especially the left) for a very long time. To deny that is to give lie to the rest of what you say. Acknowledge it and justify it if you want, but don't tell me the moon is made of green cheese and expect me to take everything else you say seriously.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
Who is now ahead in the polling?

Schröder is significantly ahead of Merkel, but the CDU is significantly ahead of the SPD... But with that many people still undecided, it's not over yet...

Significantly ahead? Why does the world press disagree with that by calling the election close? How far are you from reality?
Here's a couple of sources for that.
http://english.bna.bh/?ID=35826
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1136647
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1772505,00.html
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,607872,00.html

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22):
What a lovely day! Sun is shining.. my daily routine had begun (getting started) - I repaired my bike... now I will meet some old friends - all a little "alternative" (in a VERY WIDE sense) , we will have a wonderful ride in the mountains here, in this lovely climate, a picnick, do some sports, and on the way back, we will cast our vote..

Sounds like a great day.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22):
Ian, due to the Iraq war and Germany's role this issue has somehow "domesticated" here.. the US-German relations was one important issue, and I think it is not bad it is so. There is a lot behind this topic that affects almost every single person in the world...

Subin....(if I'm correct in my spelling of that, please correct me otherwise) I appreciate that fact. However I'd think that the US would be a less important factor in German elections since the domestic issues that more directly affect the daily lives of Germans are more pressing. I've read that unemployment in some areas is running at 15%, and the cost of social security is constantly rising so those would appear to be more important. Is discussing the US simply a means to avoid dealing with those more complicated issues for many Germans?



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 806 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
How far are you from reality?

Not an inch. Schröder is ahead of Merkel - personally. If the election was between Schröder and Merkel instead of SPD vs. CDU/CSU, it would be a cakewalk for Schröder. It's his party/the coalition which is about to lose the election.



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25 TheSonntag : True, but as we are so lucky to have a parliamentary system, personal preferences are not that important as programs, thats why the last TV Duels bet
26 DL021 : Yeah, I can agree there, but my point was more about Klaus' desire to mold belief by discussing personal appeal in a process that seems to be more ab
27 Mrniji : Ian, yes you spelled my name correctly! And sorry for the late reply.. I was busy meeting old friends I have not met for AGES. Well, I might have don
28 Klaus : No, you misread that, as you can check for yourself. I was simply pointing out what the surveyed situation was: Schröder being ahead personally and
29 NoUFO : True, the USA was almost a non-issue, although CDU/CSU and FDP (pro economy Liberals - the assumed junior partner of a conservative government) pulled
30 Klaus : I almost forgot: No, you got it wrong there. Civilian was exactly the meaning I was going for - as a contrast to the quasi-militarized zone that follo
31 Jaysit : When I watch German news (in English), I don't see the US (or the war in Iraq) as being a big issue at all. Is this the opinion of German voters too?
32 Mrniji : Iraq played a - albeit small - role. It was credited to the chancellor to show Bush that he has nuts (with 90 % ++ Germans against that war, includin
33 NumberTwelve : We are not secure but we are safer than other countries. Be fair to others and you can expect fairness from others too. Right, Aloges. And this is on
34 Post contains images Jaysit : ROFL ! Well, looks like Dubya will have to wait a bit for that bj.
35 Mrniji : He will never get it. He will probably premature ejaculate in excitement of a change from Mrs. Bush and anticipation of her visit and won't be able t
36 Pelican : Concerning security. It's true its not that tight than it's in other countries. But last time I visited the Bundestag my Rucksack was X-rayed and I ha
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