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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

According to www.harrisinteractive.com these are the top ten best cars for Europeans in terms of Quality perceptions:
1.Mercedes Benz
2.BMW
3.Audi
4.Volvo
5.Volkswagen
6.Lexus
7.Saab
8.Toyota

And these are the five worst:
1.Fiat
2.Hyundai
3.Skoda
4.Citroen
5.Rover

What do you think?


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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40030 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Here in the United States:

Best:
Lincoln
Mercury
Ford
Buick


Worse:
Kia
Deawoo
Hyunndai



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Deawoo

Daewoo in Europe is now known as Chevrolet. I always thought Chevrolet was an OK sort of car.

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

My list would look like this:

Best
1. Mercedes Benz
2. Toyota/Lexus
3. BMW
4. VW/Audi
5. Volvo
6. Honda/Acura
7. Nissan/Infiniti
8. Daimler-Chrysler

Worst
1. GM (Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/GMC)
2. Ford



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

My list looks like this. Just my humble opinion only.

Best...
1. Ford
2. Lincoln
3. Mercury

Worst...
1. Everything else.

Regards.  Wink



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1751 times:

Perception is dead-off. I've driven a Hyundai for two years now and in terms of quality, it's unmatched. A 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty? You don't give that as standard unless you're pretty sure owners won't have to cash in on that very frequently. I've had my "Check Engine Light" go on a total of once when an air sensor burned out. Took it to the dealership, it was replaced with no fuss. My old Chevrolet Corsica, on the other hand (which wasn't that old..roughly 6-7 years old when we got rid of it), had numerous electrical and engine problems.


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User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1730 times:

What are you all talking about!

Best cars- Mercedes Benz, are you mad. They are made out of plastic, there shite. Lexus are crap as well.

1. Aston Martin
2. Maserati
3. Ferrari
4. Porsche
5. Audi
6. BMW.
7. VW
8. Volvo

Now thats a realistic line up!

Paul



Veni, vidi, vici.
User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1712 times:

Dude, you have issues.Mercedes are the best.It's a fact.Waht are you comparing?? you can't put a Ferrari in the same line as Marcedes.They don't compare.Use similar type of cars....  Yeah sure


Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1706 times:

Mercedes are the best.

Based on what? Their poor reliability? Their cheap interior materals? Quite frankly, they are in no way better then Audi or BMW.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 5):
A 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty? You don't give that as standard unless you're pretty sure owners won't have to cash in on that very frequently.

You can also make the warranty so it takes a virtual act of god to stay under it for the whole 10 years/100,000mi term. If they get an oil change somewhere else in year 2 the manufacturer gets out of 8 years of liability. I have heard some horror stories about he KIA warranty.


User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

See the 2005 Vehicle Dependability Study from JD Power:

http://www.jdpa.com/pdf/2005089.pdf

Take from this what you will, but it seems to point to some huge problems with reliability in German cars these days...especially those of the Volkswagen Auto Group.

And everyone who is trashing the Big Three (including myself), think again...they actually did quite well in this survey.

As for the Japanese, its a real scattered mix for them - some are fantastic (Lexus, Infiniti, Honda, Toyota), while others are not so hot (Suzuki, Nissan, Mitsubishi).



Time...to un-pimp...ze auto!
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Worse:
Kia
Deawoo
Hyunndai

Daewoos are no longer sold in the United States.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Their poor reliability?

My father owned mercedes since I was 3.The first one he had it till 8 years ago, when he sold it and bought the actual one.Never had any trouble.BTW, I'm 22....

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
cheap interior materals?

Uhhhh???I don't know watcha talkin' about.

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 12):
Uhhhh???I don't know watcha talkin' about.

AR1300, climb into the cockpit of the your father's Mercedes at the back, check how the seats handle the weight of the persons on them, how the dashboard and everything seems to be carved in one huge block of wood, how you feel you are sitting in your living room, where furniture stays where it is because it heavy, sturdy, well-built and robust etc etc. At the same time, the design is always classical but appealing.

Now climb into the cockpit of the last E-class at the back. Notice how flimsy the seats seem in comparison (the regular seats), how normal the dashboard feels, actually just like any other car, how the dashboard is not nearly as well buit as the old ones, and rattles and squeaks already. Today, the new dashboard is your average car's dashboard. And from the inside, a Mercedes feels today like a normal car. It probably costs less than before to design and produce as well. It's good for immedieate business and balance sheets. It's bad for the image and long-term business. One of the most appealing aspects of a Mercedes is completely gone for me, unless I look inside the Maybach.

Mercedes lost focus. For example, they are now into blatant and visible high-performance, whereas before, all their super cars (the 450SEL 6.3, the 500E, etc) looked very discreet, and were among the discreet manager's favorites. Today they're into much more eye-catching designs. And somewhere in the mix, spending millions to make "underlying" quality that feeds the perception, went off the list.

Losing focus, in managerial terms, is a big mistake..

Kay


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

I have driven pretty much every Mercedes and BMW out there, they belong to clients, and while I do enjoy the ride, they are not worth the money. They break down a lot and parts and maintence are ridiculous. Don't even get me started on VW. I used to own a 69 Beetle as well as an 80's Jetta. I used to love the price as well as the easy maintenance. Now, because every recent college graduate wants to buy a German car to appear like a Yuppie proffessional, they are overpriced and underengineered. For christs sake-a Jetta goes for something like $22gs!! Volkswagon means folkswagon, or people's wagon. Its supposed to be affordable. I would rather pay for inexpensive American or Jap engineering than overpriced German.

User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

From experience:
10 Best:

1°Subaru
2°Honda
3°Lexus/Toyota
4°Audi
5°Mitsubishi
6°Skoda (price/quality)
7°Volvo
8°Ford
9°Jeep
10°VW

5 Worst:
1°That Chinese SUV I guess
2°Fiat/Alfa
3°Mercedes(Price/quality)
4°Citroen
5°Peugoet



[edit post]
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
these are the top ten best cars for Europeans in terms of Quality perceptions:

The key word here being PERCEPTION. Meaning that it is what they THINK is the best and worst quality whether or not they've ever sat in them.

Actually owneship surveys are a far better guide to what quality, reliability and so on. Ironically in the main UK ownership survey, the Skoda Octavia came in the Top 5 and the very worst car in the UK from an owners perspective was the Mercedes M-Class which had truly appalling quality and reliability issues - not helped by bad Mercedes dealers either.

Quoting Kay (Reply 13):

Agree 100% Kay - and MB have come under a lot of criticism for their build qulaity these days. The old late 80s E-Class were built to last for ever, and you still see loads of them around with huge mileages and in great conditions - the new one won't get close to achieving those sort of mileages.

Quoting Paul (Reply 6):
What are you all talking about!

Best cars- Mercedes Benz, are you mad. They are made out of plastic, there shite. Lexus are crap as well.

1. Aston Martin
2. Maserati
3. Ferrari
4. Porsche
5. Audi
6. BMW.
7. VW
8. Volvo

Now thats a realistic line up!

Err they're talking about quality - not favourite cars. With that in mind Maserati drops down the list somewhat and while I'll forgive the Aston DB9 anything for looking that gorgeous, apparently its had its share of reliability issues.....

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Mercedes are the best.

Based on what? Their poor reliability? Their cheap interior materals? Quite frankly, they are in no way better then Audi or BMW.

These days Audi's interior quality is a cut above Merceds that's for sure. I have a new shape A3, and i'm very surprised just how much better the interior is than my friends C-Class.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting Paul (Reply 6):
Best cars- Mercedes Benz, are you mad. They are made out of plastic, there shite. Lexus are crap as well

I agree with the Mercedes comment. Would probably break down. However, Lexus are the luxury arm of Toyota, and are very reliable.

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 15):
1°Subaru

Ohhhh yes Big grin



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 17):
However, Lexus are the luxury arm of Toyota, and are very reliable.

Lexus tend to come top of pretty much every customer satisfaction survey - in the UK at least.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 16):
while I'll forgive the Aston DB9 anything for looking that gorgeous, apparently its had its share of reliability issues

I hear what you're saying for the looks. A DB9 overtook me on a Czech highway once. The "what-the-f*ck" effect is intense.  Wow!  Wow! Up there with the best Ferraris if not better than some. Much more than seeing it parked. Regarding reliability, isn't it normal for a supercar?

Quoting Paul (Reply 6):
3. Ferrari
4. Porsche
5. Audi
6. BMW.
7. VW
8. Volvo

What exactly are you listing here? favorite logos? what has VW or a Volvo to do with Ferrari and Porsche..


Kay

[Edited 2005-09-21 12:10:19]

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 19):
A DB9 overtook me on a Czech highway once. The "what-the-f*ck" effect is intense. Up there with the best Ferraris if not better than some.

The CEO of the company that shares our office building parks his dark blue DB9 outside - absolutely gorgeous. and the new Baby Aston Vantage just launched is a stunner too.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 17):
Quoting Paul (Reply 6):
Best cars- Mercedes Benz, are you mad. They are made out of plastic, there shite. Lexus are crap as well

I agree with the Mercedes comment. Would probably break down. However, Lexus are the luxury arm of Toyota, and are very reliable.

Lexus are indeed reliable - and boring. I have an Acura TL, which is an excellent car. Every time I pass a Lexus ES300 - with its no MT option and it's Lincoln-like pillow ride - I smile and thank the Honda engineers for creating a car that is kick in the ass to drive and an incredible value. It is as good as the BMW 5 series? No, but at $10,000 less, I'll gladly take the Acura.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Best:
Lincoln
Mercury
Ford
Buick

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

I like you Larry, but come on man

Quoting Kay (Reply 13):
450SEL 6.3

Actually, it was a 6.9



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

>> Lexus are indeed reliable - and boring. I have an Acura TL, which is an excellent car.

The TL does, indeed, rock.

>> Every time I pass a Lexus ES300 - with its no MT option and it's Lincoln-like pillow ride - I smile and thank the Honda engineers for creating a car that is kick in the ass to drive and an incredible value.

The Lexus ES and the Acura TL are aimed at different market audiences. There are tons of people, albiet 50+ most likely, who want nothing more than the pillow ride you speak of. Hard for us young wipper-snappers to understand sometime, but a more accurate TL competitor would be the Lexus IS or maybe (less so) the GS platform.

>> According to www.harrisinteractive.com these are the top ten best cars for Europeans in terms of Quality perceptions:
1.Mercedes Benz
2.BMW
3.Audi
4.Volvo
5.Volkswagen
6.Lexus
7.Saab
8.Toyota


Ironic... because stateside, number 2 is average, 6/8 are at the top, and the rest are in the pits. Fine cars all of them, but Audi/VW especially have been suffering major quality control issues in the 2001-2005 model years. I wouldn't touch anything with the 1.8T engine with a stick.

>> I like you Larry, but come on man

His name is Larry, what more needs to be said  Wink

[Edited 2005-09-23 06:01:30]

User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Actually, it was a 6.9

urm, unbeleivable maybe, but I meant this one:




You're right in that this one was not a 450, but a 300, otherwise SEL 6.3. Weird, but the 6.9 was its successor, and was slower. I can't put my hand on figures, but I seem to remember I read (maybe wrong?) that the 6.9 is not quite so fast as the 6.3.
Finally... to make things more complicated... some 6.9s were equipped with a 6.3 engine. example..


Kay

[Edited 2005-09-23 07:26:06]

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26 Post contains images FriendlySkies : Best cars in America: Anything that wasn't designed in America. I'm not non-patriotic, I just know our cars are crap! I've had a GM, a Ford, and Toyot
27 Post contains images AA777 : Here's my list: 1. BMW 2. Porsche 3. Audi 4. Lexus/ Toyota 5. Mercedes-Benz 6. Acura/ Honda 7. Volkswagen 8. Volvo 9. Land Rover 10. Chrysler (esp. th
28 Post contains images TUNisia : My list: 1) Volvo no others compare
29 Acho : 1)Renault:I drive a Megane II Hatchback and love it. It has a good price ($19,000 usd), but has safety and performance features that in the past only
30 MAH4546 : Yes they are, just not at Daewoo dealers. You can buy them at Suzuki and Chevrolet dealers - the Chevrolet Aveo, Suzuki Reno, Suzuki Forenza, and Suz
31 Vivek0072 : Daewoo was taken over by GM how come they are sold as Suzuki models ?
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