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Carter Voices Criticism Of Bush And Fema  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Jimmy Carter, who founded FEMA in 1979, added his voice to the criticism against Bush and FEMA in response to the Katrina Disaster.

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(Atlanta-AP) September 21, 2005 - Jimmy Carter, who as president created the Federal Emergency Management Agency, criticized the agency's response to Hurricane Katrina and what he called its diminished role under the Bush administration.

Carter said that when President Bush made FEMA part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003, it made the agency less efficient.

Carter also criticized Bush's appointment of former FEMA Director Michael Brown, whom he called a political appointee who only got the job "because he was the former director's roommate."


http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3878857&nav=0RaP

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Carter is also headed a comission which just recently concluded that serious changes in the voting system need to occur. Another interesting read.

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WASHINGTON - Warning that public confidence in the nation's election system is flagging, a commission headed by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker will call today for significant changes in how Americans vote, including photo IDs for all voters, verifiable paper trails for electronic voting machines and impartial administration of elections.

The report concludes that, despite changes required under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, far more must be done to restore integrity to an election system that suffers from sloppy management, treats voters differently from state to state and within states, and that too often frustrates rather than encourages voters' efforts to participate in what is considered a basic American right.


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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I can almost predict word-for-word what our tighty-righties are going to say about this one.


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 1):
I can almost predict word-for-word what our tighty-righties are going to say about this one.

I don't have many nice things to say about Carter's record in the Whitehouse, but in this case, I don't see where he isn't saying anything that hasn't already been said. But unfortunately you're right - his message will quickly get lost in the left vs. right bitch fest.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
Carter said that when President Bush made FEMA part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003, it made the agency less efficient.

He has a point . . . I'm with Searpqx . . .nothing good to say about 'President' Carter, but former President Carter is an excellent stateman and has earned my respect after his Presidency I could not afford while he was in office.

He has a point. I think PotUS ought to listen. Still disappointed it appears FEMA will stay submerged in the DHS quagmire.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
He has a point . . . I'm with Searpqx . . .nothing good to say about 'President' Carter, but former President Carter is an excellent stateman and has earned my respect after his Presidency I could not afford while he was in office.

He has a point. I think PotUS ought to listen. Still disappointed it appears FEMA will stay submerged in the DHS quagmire.

Reps John Dingell and Dick Obey have penned a letter to the editor in today's Washington Post saying "I told you so" regarding the move of FEMA into DHS. They were right to oppose the move then, and they are correct now.

Internally, DHS is a mess, an inept bureaucracy that makes the Pentagon look good by comparison. I see it almost daily form inside the beltway, and it isn't a pretty sight. Unless drastic change occurs, it's only going to get worse.....


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Shouldn't he be busy on the Gulf Coast building houses or something?

User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
Shouldn't he be busy on the Gulf Coast building houses or something?

Shouldn't YOU?



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 6):
Shouldn't YOU?

Nope


User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

FEMA was made part of DHS because that was the recommendation of the commission at the time. Bush did not support putting it under FEMA, nor did he support TSA. But, in the politically charged time of putting the patriot Act and other legislation in place, any diversion Bush took from the recommendations of the committee was blasted on the news as Bush's unwillingness to address our security problems. If he had his way, niether of those elements would have been put into place.


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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 2):
I don't have many nice things to say about Carter's record in the Whitehouse,

Why don't you try to? I am just amazed at how many people want to blame Carter only because they just repeat what myths have continued to this day. And yet Reagan is one of the most respected Presidents!!


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 9):
Why don't you try to? I am just amazed at how many people want to blame Carter only because they just repeat what myths have continued to this day. And yet Reagan is one of the most respected Presidents!!

Probably 'cause whom ever is in the White House when the economy goes gang busters/in the toilet gets the credit/blame....

Dubya gets faulted for slowing down the economy, before 9/11, even though it was stalling at the end of Clinton's term. The country's financial situation doesn't suddenly change at noon on inauguration day.

Jimmy, like Herbert Hoover, are/were better EX-Presidents. Both did many great things after their terms in office.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 9):
they just repeat what myths have continued to this day

Tell you what - once you put your real age into your profile then tell us (if you can) your perceptions of having lived during the Carter administration, maybe I'll debate you. Until then, I'll assume most of what you post is from your same twisted & hidden sources that you use for everything else (Bush is definitely on Coke - WTF?)



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 8):
FEMA was made part of DHS because that was the recommendation of the commission at the time. Bush did not support putting it under FEMA, nor did he support TSA. But, in the politically charged time of putting the patriot Act and other legislation in place, any diversion Bush took from the recommendations of the committee was blasted on the news as Bush's unwillingness to address our security problems. If he had his way, niether of those elements would have been put into place.

I'm not sure about your last point, but on everything else, you are directly on point. I've been part of several of the interagency policy groups charged with implementing recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, and I can tell you that there was little interest across the Administration in challenging ANY of the Commission's recommendations. Even the patently stupid ones.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
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WASHINGTON - Warning that public confidence in the nation's election system is flagging, a commission headed by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker will call today for significant changes in how Americans vote, including photo IDs for all voters, verifiable paper trails for electronic voting machines and impartial administration of elections.


Uh-oh. He's gonna catch hell from the Democratic party for this.

"It'll disenfranchise the poor! The minorities! The elderly!"

And most importantly - "How will we be able to have people vote multiple times, then?"  Wink

Quoting Diamond (Reply 6):
Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
Shouldn't he be busy on the Gulf Coast building houses or something?

Shouldn't YOU?

But Carter's the one interested in enhancing his legacy and not being remembered as a dismal failure as a President. He's been a great EX-President, though. Wonderful statesman, terrible politician.

Quoting B744F (Reply 9):
I am just amazed at how many people want to blame Carter only because they just repeat what myths have continued to this day

Which myth, exactly? The record inflation? Perhaps the mortgage rates in the 14-16% range? The unemployment? Please, enlighten us about which part of what happened to the economy during Carter's administration is a myth?



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 10):
Dubya gets faulted for slowing down the economy, before 9/11, even though it was stalling at the end of Clinton's term. The country's financial situation doesn't suddenly change at noon on inauguration day.

Try telling rabid Reaganites that the sputtering economy under Bush Sr (1988-92) was the fault of Reagan. You'd have an armed revolt on your hand.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 8):
FEMA was made part of DHS because that was the recommendation of the commission at the time. Bush did not support putting it under FEMA, nor did he support TSA. But, in the politically charged time of putting the patriot Act and other legislation in place, any diversion Bush took from the recommendations of the committee was blasted on the news as Bush's unwillingness to address our security problems. If he had his way, niether of those elements would have been put into place.

Hokum, BS, and even more hokum.

The incorporation of FEMA into DHS took effect March 1, 2003. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued in July 2004. FEMA's incorporation into DHS was a done deal by the time the 9-11 Report came out.

Essentially, when the White House realized that the Lieberman Bill would likely pass in 2002, with no credit given to the White House, the administration changed its tune, calling for a new DHS even larger than the one Lieberman had proposed. The creation of a super DHS was the White House's response to the Lieberman bill. It was pure politics.

So the White House proposed that 22 agencies, including FEMA should be merged into DHS. Analysts in government and the private sector warned against this. "There are concerns of FEMA losing its identity as an agency that is quick to respond to all hazards and disasters." See Note from FEMA Inspector general in a memo to Allbaugh (Bush's first crony in charge of this mess), quoted from Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies. Then the Congressional Government Accountability Office called the incorporation very "high-risk." The Brookings Institution also warned: "While a merged FEMA might become highly adept at preparing for and responding to terrorism, it would likely become less effective in performing its current mission in case of natural disasters as time, effort and attention are inevitably diverted to other tasks within the larger organization." Id.

It makes me sick how this administration will send out its goons to blame all and sundry for the mess it created.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
Which myth, exactly? The record inflation? Perhaps the mortgage rates in the 14-16% range? The unemployment? Please, enlighten us about which part of what happened to the economy during Carter's administration is a myth?

The myth of it being his fault. Record inflation? Caused by the Oil Crisis caused by OPECs reaction to Nixons price fixing. Mortage rates extremely high? Caused by said inflation. Unemployment? Same thing.

PLease enlighten us as to which part is "his" fault and what he did/did not do properly to react to it.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 11):
Tell you what - once you put your real age into your profile then tell us (if you can) your perceptions of having lived during the Carter administration, maybe I'll debate you. Until then, I'll assume most of what you post is from your same twisted & hidden sources that you use for everything else (Bush is definitely on Coke - WTF?)

If you watched the 04 debates you could clearly see he had the obvious signs of a coke head


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
The incorporation of FEMA into DHS took effect March 1, 2003. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued in July 2004. FEMA's incorporation into DHS was a done deal by the time the 9-11 Report came out.

Draft advance copies of individual chapters were available long before the Commission published its report. Staff members of the commission spent a lot of time both on the Hill and with members of the administration during the information gathering phase of their efforts.

I'm not saying the Lieberman Bill and the Commission report were joined at the hip - they weren't. But as the saying goes, one didn't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind was blowing.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
But as the saying goes, one didn't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind was blowing.

True enough.
So essentially, the 9-11 Commission merely parroted what the Lieberman Bill initially proposed, and what the White House expanded upon and strongly lobbied for. Saying that the White House was stuck with what the 9-11 Commission proposed although it opposed it, is patently false.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 15):

If you watched the 04 debates you could clearly see he had the obvious signs of a coke head

Dude, you have got to chill out. Every thread I start is getting ruined by you and your ridiculous claims.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

yes it's my fault, it's not the people who jump on everything I say. Good job

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
yes it's my fault, it's not the people who jump on everything I say.

When everything you say is unsupported gibberish, yes it is (your fault)

Quoting B744F (Reply 15):
If you watched the 04 debates you could clearly see he had the obvious signs of a coke head

I did and I didn't. What I saw was a poor speaker that doesn't do well without a script.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
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Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
yes it's my fault, it's not the people who jump on everything I say. Good job

Chirp chirp chirp.......chirp...........................chirp

Wait!

I get it! He's a ringer who's here working as hard as possible to make liberals look stupid! Well done!

Keep up the good work!



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
When everything you say is unsupported gibberish, yes it is (your fault)

That's a mighty big blanket statement you made there

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
I did and I didn't. What I saw was a poor speaker that doesn't do well without a script.

Obviously you can't tell the signs of a drug user. Please don't insult those who can

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
Keep up the good work!

My job is to show how little you really know and I do a great job of it


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

B744F,

For fuck's sake, this is ridiculous. Every time somebody challenges you, you act like you're some godlike figure who knows everything. Stop acting so all knowing and start having real debate. Otherwise, its driving me nuts because you already have ruined my thread here and in previous threads as well.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
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Quoting B744F (Reply 22):

My job is to show how little you really know and I do a great job of it

boy...those crickets are noisy little bastards!



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25 Searpqx : Delusional too!
26 Flynavy : Maybe I can be the President someday?
27 Halls120 : I agree, but I never said the White House was "stuck" with it. What I said is that there was no enthusiasm for opposing any of the 9/11 Commission's
28 B744F : Correction. The people who challenge me act like they're godlike figures who know everything. Oh, you mean like this?
29 Halls120 : Coming from the king of how fast can I avoid a reasoned discussion of the issues, of course. Say - how is your response to my repeated request that y
30 Tristarenvy : Why would you wanna be a topic for non-stop bitching about on A.net? Well, probably MORE if you said you wanted to be Preisident of Boeing, or Airbus
31 Boeing7E7 : Kinda like... Damn... His part of the great society contribution didn't pan out to be a massive government agency... Bummer.
32 B744F : And everytime you repeated your request I answered it with the "go check your history book for the period dating from 1940-1960 when the top tax brac
33 AeroWesty : Well I'm glad we have that cleared up. Carry on.
34 Post contains images ANCFlyer : chIRp, chIRp . . .
35 Post contains images Falcon84 : Little? Hell, this one might bite your head off.
36 Post contains images TedTAce : I hear this one is good with a nice Chianti and some Fava beans:
37 Cptkrell : I'm not entirely sure I'd put too much credibility on Jimmy Carter's opinions. As a matter of fact, I don't give ashit what he says. He might have onl
38 Halls120 : In 1940-1960, did we at any point increase taxes on only the top 10% of earners? Unless we did, your response is not only non-response, but utter BS.
39 B744F : yes the tax rate was 60%
40 Halls120 : read the question, please. I didn't what the tax rate for the top 10% was during that period - I asked did we at any point increase taxes on only the
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