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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Considering the current hurricane season and the chance that they might be the result of global warming, and considering the effects they will have on long term gasoline production; what would you voluntarily do to conserve energy.

Myself? I am going to try to use my vehicle just three days a week.


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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1583 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Yeah, you do that...


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

I cut my energy consumption at home 25% two winters ago by keeping my rooms at a constant temperature all day and night (instead of heating up cold walls at night), and buying an electric blanket.

Now that it's getting into the 40's here at night again, I'm planning on doing the same this fall/winter.



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User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Considering if the Sun even farts in our direction our planet will become a giant, lifeless, black chunk of rock we mind as well take full advantage of the planet while it can still maintain life.



Astronomers are proposing that a supernova exploded within 10,000 light years of the Earth, destroying the chemistry of the atmosphere and allowing the sun's ultraviolet rays to cook fragile, unprotected life forms.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/01/08/earth.extinction.ap/

My advice to you...




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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Quoting NUair (Reply 3):
Considering if the Sun even farts in our direction our planet will become a giant, lifeless, black chunk of rock we mind as well take full advantage of the planet while it can still maintain life.

EXACTLY!

And the earth goes through patterns of climate changes, Hurricanes are going up in strenght and quanity, I think this was predicted to happen as it is just a cycle.



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Okay, fuck it. To hell with it all, I'll fill my tank and run the engine and just let it sit in the driveway. When it runs out of gas I will fill the tank and repeat I really wonder why some of you guys bother to fly the American flag.


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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

When I moved into my current apartment earlier this year, I switched all my lights from hot incandescent bulbs to the new energy efficient compact flourescants. I installed an easy to use two setting thermostat so, while I'm at work, the temperature rises during the long torrid Maryland summers (which is going right into so called autumn). Conversely, in the winter, the temperature drops to a lower setting.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

I will try to reduce my driving, especially on weekends, consolidating shopping and personal driving. Shave off 22 miles a week = 1 gallon. I already take mass transit from my home in NJ to NY City where I work so not much can change there. I have no control over my apartment heat, but expect to wear fleece a lot more this year especially on the potentially coldest days.
I also will consider a more fuel efficient, smaller car with better mileage when I replace my current car hopefully early next year.
I will also help my parents try to reduce energy costs, improving where air leaks, like at windows, doors, adding some leftover insulation in certain weak spots in the house's walls and so on.


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

Ok, well while all of you may think Global Warming is some serious matter, I struggle to believe that is indeed true. I am taking a class this year called AP Environmental Science, how fitting isn't it, and also I read a book called State of Fear by Michael Chrichton. Anything above the Natural Global Warming process is just the opinions of one, and we have proved that opinion to be false. While some glaciers are melting, there are others rising, at rates we have never seen before. While the temperature is rising in some cities, it is remaing the same or dropping in other. You can believe whatever you wish to believe, but the fact is, This Theory on how Global Warming is creating massive temperature increases and what not is false.

Though the temperatures are increasing in some cities, it is not by a large margin, maybe a 10th of a degree....is this enough to be scared or even worried about? Also, studies show that the more populated, industrial cities, are increasing in temperature, while the smaller, more remote, less populated cities are remaining the same or decreasing....so are we saying that Global Warming is only happening in some places but not all? That can not be.

Also what you are seeing in these Hurricanes is just a simple cycle that Earth goes through, has nothing to do with Global Warming. Also, just a fact for all of you, the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere has only grown by .002% I believe since the year of 1950, do not quote me on this as I do not have my facts in front of me, they are at school right now. But the increase has been so minimal.....

It is just the debate right now between Environmentalists and Ecologists I guess you would say. The thing that Environmentalists are doing though, is creating that State of Fear, making people afraid, exaggerating, to get people afraid, worried, and more conscious, when really, the problems we are having right now, are minimal, and not enough to even worry about.

Also, the amount of energy on Earth can not be used up, there will always be the same amount of Energy on earth, so why are we worrying?

Finally I am not telling you to go leave you cars running outside non stop, nor telling you to leave your lights on 24/7, but I am telling you this, all these people are trying to do, are put us in a State of Fear, don't let them.


User currently offlineLeanOfPeak From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Now you've done it. You've made me pull out the CHARTS!

http://members.cox.net/s_hasse/Hurricanes.gif

This hurricane season (Along with the recent seasons) is neither exceptional nor unprecedented.

As shown by the chart, total storms are up. No surprise. Reporting of tropical depressions in the source used to accumulate the data started only in 2002.

Tropical storms are also up, also no surprise, as both identification and reporting are substantially improved in the past several decades. But they are not colossally up.

The 5-year moving average for total hurricanes did peak at an unprecedented high in the late Clinton administration, but has since declined to a value below another historical high and roughly the same as three others.

The moving average for Cat 2+ storms never hit a historical high in the last several decades and has declined in recent years to a value below two historical peaks and near three others.

The moving average for Cat 3+ storms is in the higher end of its "trading range," but has never exceeded its historical high.

The moving average for Cat 4+ storms is above the plateau that represents the historical high by about 1/2 or 1 storm per year.

The moving average for Cat 5+ storms is still well within historical precedent; Indeed, quite close to historical averages.

Total storms this season and history matching or beating that number:

Reported storms: 18
Compare to 1933 (21), 1969 (18), 1995 (19), 2003 (21).

Tropical storms: 17
Compare to 1887 (17), 1933 (21), 1969 (18), 1995 (19).

Hurricanes: 9
Compare to 1887 (10), 1893 (10), 1916 (11), 1933 (10), 1950 (11), 1955 (9), 1969 (12), 1980 (9), 1995 (11), 1996 (9), 1998 (10).

Cat 2+: 6
Compare to 1886 (8), 1887 (10), 1891 (8), 1893 (10), 1896 (6), 1903 (8), 1906 (6), 1916 (10), 1926 (8), 1933 (8), 1949 (6), 1950 (10), 1951 (6), 1955 (8), 1961 (7), 1964 (6), 1969 (7), 1995 (7), 1996 (6), 1998 (7), 1999 (8), 2004 (7).

Cat 3+: 5
Compare to 1916 (6), 1926 (6), 1933 (5), 1950 (8), 1951 (5), 1955 (6), 1958 (5), 1961 (7), 1964 (6), 1969 (5), 1995 (5), 1996 (6), 1999 (5), 2004 (6).

Cat 4+: 4
Compare to 1961 (4), 1999 (5), 2004 (4).

Cat 5+: 2
Compare to 1960 (2), 1961 (2).

Stronger individual storms? Nope. The two strongest storms this season have had peak sustained winds of 175 mph. This number has been bested by Hurricanes Dog (1950, 185 mph), Camille (1969, 190 mph), Allen (1980, 190 mph), and Gilbert (1988, 185 mph).

Then keep in mind that meterological measurements and observations have been constantly improving with gross underreporting, especially at the top and bottom of the scale, until recently and there's clearly little unprecedented here.

Those are the facts, use them or not. Carry on.


User currently offlineLeanOfPeak From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Though the temperatures are increasing in some cities, it is not by a large margin, maybe a 10th of a degree....is this enough to be scared or even worried about? Also, studies show that the more populated, industrial cities, are increasing in temperature, while the smaller, more remote, less populated cities are remaining the same or decreasing....so are we saying that Global Warming is only happening in some places but not all? That can not be.

Do some reading on the "Urban heat island effect."


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

I hardly use our family vehicle. Moreover, my father and me installed a solar power plant on our roof top, supported with a Government Loan, which produces clean energy, that is bought by the state 4 x the market price.

And.. we limit our energy consumption (gas), have good insulation etc..  Wink


User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 5):
Okay, fuck it. To hell with it all, I'll fill my tank and run the engine and just let it sit in the driveway.

We have that in our house and call it an Air Conditioner, unfortunately it costs a lot more to run and does even more damage to the environment.

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 5):
When it runs out of gas I will fill the tank and repeat I really wonder why some of you guys bother to fly the American flag.

Because we love our SUV's damn it!

You can sit on a-net and brag until the sun goes down about how you are doing so many great things to save the environment and stop global warming but in reality, that glass of milk you drank and the burger you ate came from a cow with 5 stomachs that is shooting out more methane and other green house gases per year than 1475 SUV's combined.

Despite this difference in relative quantities, each gas has different abilities to reflect and trap heat. Methane is capable of trapping 25 times more heat than CO2, and is expected to cause between 15 and 17% of the global warming over the next 50 years

It has been estimated that 9 to 12% of the energy that a cow consumes is turned to methane that is released either through flatulence or burping (Radford, 2001). A huge number of factors affect methane emission, including diet, barn conditions and whether the cow is lactating, but an average cow in a barn produce 542 liters of methane a day, and 600 liters when out in a field (Adam, 2000).


Now a huge Lincoln Navigator driven over a 20 year period at current average miles per year will produce trace amounts of methane but it will produce lots of CO2, over 100 tons or .013699 tons per day.

Now converting that to liters you come out with about 9.2561 liters of CO2 per day. So you would need to take 59 full size SUV's off of the road to make the same impact as you would if you killed one cow and if CO2 and Methane had the same impact on global warming, which they don't. If you want to put Methane and CO2 on the same level you would have to take out 1475 Lincoln Navigators to have the same impact as killing one cow.

According to the US-USDA we have over 107 million heads of cattle in the US compared to Highway department reported 87 million heavy and light trucks and SUV's.

If you want to stop global warming stop stressing over SUV's and become a Vegan.

Good luck with that!


Blaming SUV's for rising gas prices and deadly accidents caused by short Asian women is one thing but blaming them for global warming is nothing short of crazy.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Quoting NUair (Reply 12):
If you want to stop global warming stop stressing over SUV's and become a Vegan.

Bullshit - appreciate that Blackbird thinks about a crucial questio! Every small step is a progress - no need to radicalize! and many small steps are even a bigger progress. The entire philosophy is to combind development and environment into sustainable development.

It won't take long until the industry sees the market for environmental technology and engages in research in that field! There will be a huge demand for such technology - they save costs (and resources). If this does not happen, it won't take long until murderer and environmental pollution are on the same level..


User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 13):
Bullshit - appreciate that Blackbird thinks about a crucial questio! Every small step is a progress

You can get as pissed off at me as you want but I fail to see how Blackbird freaking out at SUV drivers is helping anyone which was the point of my last post. I didn't say anything about not taking steps to stop global warming and I even advocate the erradication of cows.  Smile

Yeah I know your from India and love your cows but each one of those guys is producing the same amount of greenhouse gasses as 1475 SUV's. Agriculture is said to produce anywhere from 40-60% of our greenhouse gasses and a big chunk of the rest is coal burning and natural gas flaring (both used for electricity production).

Are you taking the right step in switching to Solar? Yeah. But I'm not sure what Blackbird is doing aside from getting pissed off at SUV drivers.

A vegan is doing much more to save the ozone than someone who switches from an SUV to a car.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Thread starter):
Considering the current hurricane season and the chance that they might be the result of global warming, and considering the effects they will have on long term gasoline production; what would you voluntarily do to conserve energy.

Myself? I am going to try to use my vehicle just three days a week.

Have fun with than and remember that a major Volcano eruption in North America would do more damage in the form of Global Warming than the last 20 years of all US vehicle operations has done.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 6):
I switched all my lights from hot incandescent bulbs to the new energy efficient compact flourescants

If you start seeing spots, you'll know why then. Many people have vision impairment due to fluorescent light use. About 1 in 1,000. I'f I'm around them for say 3-4 hours, I begin getting blind areas in my field of vision. Makes me want to go buy an ass load of them... Not.

[Edited 2005-09-23 16:10:01]

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Quoting NUair (Reply 14):
You can get as pissed off at me as you want but I fail to see how Blackbird freaking out at SUV drivers is helping anyone which was the point of my last post. I didn't say anything about not taking steps to stop global warming and I even advocate the erradication of cows.

OK, both of us cool down.. I was more general in my comment, you stayed to the quote... now you explain the cow issue a little  Wink

Quoting NUair (Reply 14):
Yeah I know your from India and love your cows

Nops.. many Indians are different.. and I have my own viewpoint of things and condemn the contamination of the Indian habitat as it happens at present


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
This Theory on how Global Warming is creating massive temperature increases and what not is false.

Who is saying that global warming will create massive temperature increases? You sound as though you have absolutely no clue about what you're arguing against. Global warming is expected to result in relatively minor increases in temperature in some areas that could have a knock-on effect in yet additional areas. Some of these effects could be substantial and some could be catastrophic in the future, possibly beyond our lifetime, but presumably soon enough to be felt by our children or grandchildren.

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Also, studies show that the more populated, industrial cities, are increasing in temperature, while the smaller, more remote, less populated cities are remaining the same or decreasing....so are we saying that Global Warming is only happening in some places but not all? That can not be.

Why can that not be? You're reading way too much into "global warming". It doesn't mean that every place on earth will get hotter. It doesn't mean that no place on earth will get colder. It only means that the average temperature of the surface of the earth will experience a net increase over time and that the chance for previously exceptional weather conditions could be enhanced by this change.

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Also what you are seeing in these Hurricanes is just a simple cycle that Earth goes through, has nothing to do with Global Warming.

It's odd to me that you can be so suspicious of others and yet speak with such absolute terms as though your words were beyond criticism.

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
do not quote me on this as I do not have my facts in front of me

That didn't stop you from posting, so why should it stop us from quoting?

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Finally I am not telling you to go leave you cars running outside non stop, nor telling you to leave your lights on 24/7, but I am telling you this, all these people are trying to do, are put us in a State of Fear, don't let them.

What you're telling us is that we have no reason to be concerned. Except that you don't even seem to know why were concerned in the first place.

Quoting NUair (Reply 12):
If you want to stop global warming stop stressing over SUV's and become a Vegan.

The issues that we must solve are not solved by only one narrow-minded method. We must attack them through several avenues and each do what we can to help. Insisting that everyone (except yourself) solve the problem by following the one narrow-minded path you happened to think of is just plain ignorant and arrogant.

Quoting NUair (Reply 12):
Blaming SUV's for rising gas prices and deadly accidents caused by short Asian women is one thing but blaming them for global warming is nothing short of crazy.

You have not yet demonstrated that you even understand the premise of global warming, so why should your views be taken seriously?

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
Have fun with than and remember that a major Volcano eruption in North America would do more damage in the form of Global Warming than the last 20 years of all US vehicle operations has done.

Point? I guess you're saying that we should all just sit on our ass looking fat, dumb, and happy instead of rising to meet the challenge.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
If you start seeing spots, you'll know why then. Many people have vision impairment due to fluorescent light use. About 1 in 1,000. I'f I'm around them for say 3-4 hours, I begin getting blind areas in my field of vision. Makes me want to go buy an ass load of them... Not.

I have the newer fluorescent lights all through out my house and they don't cause any of the eye strain or other problems that I used to get from the older models. You should try them out.

Seeing is believing...




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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Thread starter):
Considering the current hurricane season and the chance that they might be the result of global warming,

Dr. William Gray, probably the foremost expert on hurricanes, has said that so called "global warming" has nothing to do with the increase in hurricanes. It is simply part of a cycle that has identified for almost 80 years.

Man made "Global warming" is nothing but a sham theory put out environmentalists. Ice cores, tree rings, and other evidence shows that the earth goes through periods of warming and cooling and has been doing so long before man burned enough of anything to effect it. It's funny but the same people always spouting off about global warming are the same people in the 1960's and 1970's that were saying we're all going to die from "global cooling".

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
Have fun with than and remember that a major Volcano eruption in North America would do more damage in the form of Global Warming than the last 20 years of all US vehicle operations has done.

Of course the volcano wouldn't erupt if President Bush had signed Kyoto. /sarcasm



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 18):
Man made "Global warming" is nothing but a sham theory put out environmentalists. Ice cores, tree rings, and other evidence shows that the earth goes through periods of warming and cooling and has been doing so long before man burned enough of anything to effect it.

Men can increase the warming/cooling process by damaging the environment, polluting the athmosphere etc.. you need to get off the "no-proof theory" . An obvious relation is worrysome enough. And there is no antiproof yet. Hence, we should better be cautious than regret later  old 


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined Mar 2001, 529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

If I was someone like Bob Geldof. I would ban all oil used for making fuel and make everyone use ethanol and seed oils which is made by plants. Using ethanol and seed oils from plants produces no Carbon Dioxide at all. So you could be driving an SUV with a 10 litre size engine using ethanol and no Carbon Dioxide is produced. What can you say? Less severe storms, Less air pollution and many more. Also ethanol and seed oils are renewable too.

Nobody needs to think about global warming if fossil fuels are banned worldwide.



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User currently offlineLeanOfPeak From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 20):
If I was someone like Bob Geldof. I would ban all oil used for making fuel and make everyone use ethanol and seed oils which is made by plants. Using ethanol and seed oils from plants produces no Carbon Dioxide at all. So you could be driving an SUV with a 10 litre size engine using ethanol and no Carbon Dioxide is produced. What can you say? Less severe storms, Less air pollution and many more. Also ethanol and seed oils are renewable too.

You've been fed some bum info somewhere along the way. An FFV running on E85 produces 96% the CO2 as the same FFV running on gas. CO2 is an unavoidable byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion. The emissions improvements for E85 lie in hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen.


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Ok, well while all of you may think Global Warming is some serious matter, I struggle to believe that is indeed true.

Oooops, Airlinerfreak, you are Anti-American. This is what other A'netters called me when I wrote the same you did: there is a combination between Global Warming and Hurricanes.

But unfortunatelly only few people in your country care! So oil prices have to get higher and higher, maybe wallet gets empty then  Smile


And the point is: there are countries and islands which won't exist any longer in 40, 50 years. People are whining cause of the hurricanes coming to the US? Let's talk about the "dying" countries like Seychelles, Maledives, also parts of Denmark, etc.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 18):
Man made "Global warming" is nothing but a sham theory put out environmentalists.

Then what is their motivation spending so much time and money trying to get the word out? What do they have to gain from it? I can think of many reasons why entrenched industrial markets, lobbyists and politicians would benefit from downplaying the issue and pretending it has no chance of causing any harm. However, I still can't think of any reason why a relatively insignificant environmental group would personally benefit from trying to draw attention to the ever increasing amount of scientific data that appears to substantiate the well-founded concept of global warming. How many folks do you know that started out as environmentalists and ended up rich as a result? The only wealthy environmentalists I've ever heard of always started out rich first and then became environmentalists afterward.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 18):
Ice cores, tree rings, and other evidence shows that the earth goes through periods of warming and cooling and has been doing so long before man burned enough of anything to effect it. I

Global warming isn't disproved by prior records of naturally occurring temperature variations

Quoting B757300 (Reply 18):
It's funny but the same people always spouting off about global warming are the same people in the 1960's and 1970's that were saying we're all going to die from "global cooling".

You appear to crave irony even though you have no evidence or source to back it up.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 22):
Oooops, Airlinerfreak, you are Anti-American.

People also call me Anti-American, though I am American "by law". But I prefer to be critical towards my own nation than to saying "Yes!" solely. The best friends and supporters are the critical ones, the ones who say: "Hey stop! You are making a mistake!", rather than: "Oh, you are so great, I love everything you do!"  Smile


25 Blackbird1331 : I apologize for my outburst. It was my fault for trying to tackle two problems within one thought. What I should have asked was, considering the effec
26 NUair : I guess you couldn't be bothered to read posts 3 and 12 which both come from outside sources not my own opinion... but I guess CNN isn't a real sourc
27 Post contains images Blackbird1331 : Okay NUair: Let's compromise, I'll go out and shoot a cow if you can make someone turn in an SUV. May I ask a personal question, seriously, do you eat
28 Post contains images Halls120 : There are many people out looking for their 15 minutes of fame. I agree that the earth is getting warmer. I also believe that the earth has gone thro
29 Post contains images NUair : What?? You get to shoot a cow and I have to go out and talk to 1400+ SUV drivers? How is that fair? I guess I better get started and stop bitching on
30 Alessandro : Well let´s hope there´ll be a warm winter in the northern hemisphere and that Rita is over-rated...
31 Post contains links BR076 : some reading for you American scientists prove global warming.
32 SATX : Post 3: You mentioned something that apparently hasn't happened in some 440 million years and is impossible to prevent. Even if true, why should we w
33 Blackbird1331 : This might work. I get to ride a cow to work, and then get him to heat my home. Goodbye SUVs.
34 LeanOfPeak : I have assessed some of the studies that I've seen that claimed to "prove" global warming. All have had easily identifiable MAJOR methodological error
35 Airlinerfreak : SATX, Are you just one of those types of people that will argue with anyone about anything no matter what your opinion on the statement is? I take tha
36 SATX : Putting words in my mouth then? Oh, you mean like you do? Try living up to your own standards for a change.
37 StarAC17 : We're not causing it, we're accelerating it and although fuck all could happen next year during hurricane season I don't know how you can say and act
38 B744F : Please stop spouting off your knee jerk generic right wing statements repeated time and time again.
39 Halls120 : I would suggest that he has the right to post whatever "knee jerk generic right wing statements" he'd like. After all, it kinda balances out all the
40 Boeing7E7 : Then you better tell China to quit fucking.
41 Post contains links Logan22L : It's one thing to have an opinion, but when you state it as fact, disregarding science just as your beloved adminstration does so often, you probably
42 Mrniji : Listen, you impolite looser: I am making a point within the discussion, while you are not able to contribute anything else than: "Uaaaahh, tell 'em f
43 B744F : I backed it up by giving you an example from history. How many times do I have to repeat myself in each thread you are complaining in?
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