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He's Baaaaaack! Brownie Re-enlists At Fema  
User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20536 posts, RR: 62
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8514671/#050926a

At a meeting with staff of the special House committee looking into Katrina preparations today, the disgraced and displaced former FEMA director said he had rejoined the agency as a consultant to "provide a review" of how the agency functioned before, during, and after the storm. This according to two congressional sources.

A congressional aide told NBC News nobody's sure — but it is assumed Brown is being paid by FEMA. He is to testify tomorrow before that House committee, prompting our colleague Howard Fineman to joke that only in Washington would a man on his way to the electric chair be paid to belt himself in.


Maybe he won one of those no-bid contracts.

[Edited 2005-09-27 02:40:45]


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Dang! You beat me to it.

This is kind of hard to believe. So "Brownie" got hired by FEMA to evaluate FEMA's performance under his watch? Does the phrase "conflict of interest" mean anything?

Another source on the story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...878583.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

Sept. 26, 2005
6:44 p.m.
(CBS) � CBS News correspondent Gloria Borger reports that Michael Brown, who recently resigned as the head of the FEMA, has been rehired by the agency as a consultant to evaluate it's response following Hurricane Katrina.


Pathetic, outrageous, I don't know what else...



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Well, they ought to hire that fucked up Mayor  hissyfit  and the left the ball park Governor  cry  as well . . . they can pen the chapters in the report to the public about exactly what NOT to do as the Mayor or Governor when facing a cat 5 storm . . . .

As much as FEMA is to blame, so are those two idiots . . .


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

This is like a company hiring the burgler to figure out how the burgler broke in.

Talk about bureaucratic stupidity, this tops the cake.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

ANC,

Why did you bring in the other two? What about a comment on the fact that FEMA rehired Brown to analyze FEMA's Katrina shortcomings while under his watch?

Your post, whether or not I agree with it, is completely off topic.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

I am not totally sold on this guy being the root of all the problems in the system. There were huge failures with Katrina, but I am not sure the buck stops with this guy. Don't turn this into a Bush bashfest based on this.

I am all about personal responsibility. However, this trend with our government towards pinning systemic failures on one person is a really bad idea. The system failed, not the man, and rather than using it as a learning experience and fixing the system we fire the guy and think the problem is fixed.. It's a band-aid. Not learning from mistakes is why our disaster response plans make us look like we were caught with our pants down continually.

They probably called him back because he knows where the snags are in the system and one of the few remaining people in charge whose head isn't shoved so far up their ass they can see what they ate for lunch yesterday knows this guy can be of some sort of help in improving future responses.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
Why did you bring in the other two? What about a comment on the fact that FEMA rehired Brown to analyze FEMA's Katrina shortcomings while under his watch?

Bringing Brown back is in fact ridiculous . . . in any status.

Bringing up the other two . . . they all screwed the pooch together TBar - they ALL need to testify in front of Congress about.

While Brown likely couldn't Manage his way out of a paperbag . . . neither can the other two . . . wanna get to the bottom of the problem . . . investigate ALL the players.

And my post was NOT off topic . . . it was dead on topic -

Quoting AeroWesty (Thread starter):
He is to testify tomorrow before that House committee

where the other two losaers ought to follow in short order.

Next?


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

I should apply for a job with the goverment if its that easy to get in.

So lets see this man lied in his resume and got fired now was rehired as a consultant?? Our goverment at work.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

5 words:

It's the American FUCKING WAY!!!!


User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1064 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Bringing up the other two . . . they all screwed the pooch together TBar - they ALL need to testify in front of Congress about.

While he was hiding from Cindy Sheehan and 300,000 protestors in Colorado this past weekend, didn't Bush hear from the military that we needed a national disaster plan? A strategy and plans to enable the evacuation of big cities in a hurry?

WTF? It has been how many years since 9/11 now? And the need to expedite the evacuation of major cities when disaster strikes is a surprise to the Bush crew? Thank God the adults are in charge.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 9):
While he was hiding from Cindy Sheehan and 300,000 protestors in Colorado this past weekend, didn't Bush hear from the military that we needed a national disaster plan? A strategy and plans to enable the evacuation of big cities in a hurry?

WTF? It has been how many years since 9/11 now? And the need to expedite the evacuation of major cities when disaster strikes is a surprise to the Bush crew? Thank God the adults are in charge

What I find interesting from folks like you Dan-Air . . . you advocate less government . . . and is this your advocation that the federal gov't ought to be responsible for the evacuation of all the cities??? Then WTF do we need a city gov't for? Ridiculous.

It's not PotUS, FEMA or anyone elses responsibility to get off their ass and evac a city . . . except that city government. If they have their head up their ass, you get a New Orleans style evac - "Go to the Superdome" . . . if they don't, well, you get a Galveston and Port Arthur and Biloxi style evac.

Next question?


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Time Magazine this week has a major article (see the cnn.com website for possible access to it) that suggests that there are other Brownies throughout the Bush Administation in key service areas. That is politically connected and possibly poor choices in key administation appoint posts, like Brown was.
I hope he is paying FEMA for his work, instead of him being paid. And you wonder why people hate government.


User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
What I find interesting from folks like you Dan-Air . . . you advocate less government . . . and is this your advocation that the federal gov't ought to be responsible for the evacuation of all the cities??? Then WTF do we need a city gov't for? Ridiculous.

Not sure when I have been an advocate for less government in this forum, but yeah I generally go for less government in the bedroom and especially when I am riding at multiples of the posted speed limit.

Beyond that I have this crazy old-fashioned notion that a certain portion of the taxes that I pay will be spent on disaster preparation. How much have we spent on DHS? What the F*** have we gotten for our money? And please - spare me the flannel about "gubmint no good, corporations efficient". Ain't this the primary reason for having government? To protect our sorry asses?

Local government should be required to do their part also - where do they get the money to implement the necessary measures? State governments cannot run deficits - they can't pull a George Bush and put it on the national credit card. Uh-oh! Sounds like a tax increase may be necessary - but we know that ain't gonna happen. States look to the federal government to manage the stuff that is beyond their means - like disaster management - based on manpower and equipment needs. What you are advocating is tha each city/state maintain a huge contingent of resources and equipment to deal with any emergency on its own - hardly a practical proposition.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
Not sure when I have been an advocate for less government in this forum,

Only this thread, and it was a question? Are you advocating the federal gov't be responsible for evacuating the cities??? That would definitely require more gov't . . . just what we need more FEMA   

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
especially when I am riding at multiples of the posted speed limit

      

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
How much have we spent on DHS?

  

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
Ain't this the primary reason for having government? To protect our sorry asses?

But do we need the Federal Government to protect us from a Lousy State and Local Government??? Do we need DC to look at BTR and say, Blanco, you're fucked up, you're fired. Look at NOLA and say the obvious - Nagin, you're an idiot, get out - go home to Dallas?
Obviously not. We need strong state and local governments . . . which I don't see in this situation. It's not the federal government's fault that the leaders of Louisiana and New Orleans are idiots . . . it's the voters in Louisiana.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
State governments cannot run deficits

Call Juneau and tell Governor Murkowski that . . . please.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 12):
What you are advocating is tha each city/state maintain a huge contingent of resources and equipment to deal with any emergency on its own - hardly a practical proposition.

Not at all . . . Anchorage has quite the prepared, prepackaged, ready to fire, contigency supply list waiting on the next 9.2 megaquake to come rolling through here. The State responded with the 7.9 earthquake in central Alaska two years ago within HOURS even without a road network. Airlifted fuel, medical supplies, etc. We just suffered a MAJOR hurricane strength storm on the western Alaska coast. Most of the city of Nome is currently underwater. No one knows that because, well this isn't about Katrina or Rita . . . and there ARE people on the ground helping. No one, NO ONE, is standing on a public street cussing and having a    because FEMA isn't handing out free everything to the people in Nome. Our Governor isn't on national TV    because Nome is screwed and he wasn't ready. YES, the cities and states - especially those in hazardous locations, damn well better be prepared. It's NOT the responsibility of the Federal Government.

[Edited 2005-09-27 05:09:03]

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20536 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

Just reported on CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown, it's been confirmed that Michael Brown has remained on FEMA's payroll since his resignation. A non-resignation resignation? This should be interesting.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Just reported on CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown, it's been confirmed that Michael Brown has remained on FEMA's payroll since his resignation. A non-resignation resignation? This should be interesting.

Sure is darn nice to be protected by the Big Cowboy, eh Brownie. And you're doing a GREAT job, pardner.

Signed,

The President

Nice that Brownie has a Texas Sugar Daddy, isn't it?


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
This is like a company hiring the burgler to figure out how the burgler broke in.

Talk to Frank William Abagnale Jr. FBI Hired him to figure out how to catch other con artists.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Sure is darn nice to be protected by the Big Cowboy, eh Brownie. And you're doing a GREAT job, pardner.

 rotfl 


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Bringing Brown back is in fact ridiculous . . . in any status.

Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
I am all about personal responsibility. However, this trend with our government towards pinning systemic failures on one person is a really bad idea. The system failed, not the man, and rather than using it as a learning experience and fixing the system we fire the guy and think the problem is fixed.. It's a band-aid. Not learning from mistakes is why our disaster response plans make us look like we were caught with our pants down continually

If you fail drastically at your job, would you get fired? What would do you do? If you had a failure on the scale of Michael Brown's failure, would you be fired from your job?

Now taking that into account, don't you think in the slightest that this is slightly ridiculous that he's been hired to review the Katrina failures of FEMA while HE was presidnet? Think about it for just a second. Why are you defending him?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 971 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 18):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Bringing Brown back is in fact ridiculous . . . in any status.

Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear.

Well, any status except hostile witness subpoened by congress to explain himself.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 965 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 18):

If you fail drastically at your job, would you get fired?

Probably not if it is the first time a whole system has really been tested on that scale.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 18):
don't you think in the slightest that this is slightly ridiculous that he's been hired to review the Katrina failures of FEMA while HE was presidnet?

Maybe someone wants to fix the problems, he might just know what hindered him from doing his job. I am not saying act only on his word, but he probably can give some insight into where to start looking.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 18):
Why are you defending him?

Why do you always demand someone's head on a platter when the problem is far bigger than one man?


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 958 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 20):

Why do you always demand someone's head on a platter when the problem is far bigger than one man?

Because I believe in personal responsibility. This man was the head of FEMA, a government agency that drastically failed (even you admitted this). Now as the head, the guy that runs and organizes this agency, he failed in his job and was basically fired for it (resigned).

Let me turn the question to you. Why do you always defend someone when its clear that they have failed at their job? Why don't you hold people responsible for their failures?



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 957 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
Why do you always defend someone when its clear that they have failed at their job? Why don't you hold people responsible for their failures?

I like personal responsibility too.. I just think the guy might have been railroaded to protect others. I know he is the leader, he is responsible.. but what did firing him really solve? did it make us more or less prepared for next time?

I guess you would rather blame the man and fire him than fix the system. I am not saying don't hold him responsible but there are a lot of factors that contributed this mess other than his failings.

I know firing him appeases the masses though, and that is what we are all about.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 950 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
but what did firing him really solve? did it make us more or less prepared for next time?

Uhhh... yea! He was incompetent to the extreme. He was fired from his last job, had no experience in this sort of stuff, and fibbed on his resume! So yea, firing him and appointing somebody else ought to make us more more prepared for next time. Anybody with experience would help FEMA be more prepared for the next disaster.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
I guess you would rather blame the man and fire him than fix the system

Um, I'd rather blame him, fire him, AND fix the system by replacing him. As I said above, the first step to fixing FEMA is replacing its head and Brown was and should have been the first to go.

Now do you agree with re-hiring this man who was fired for incompetency?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 922 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 20):
Why do you always demand someone's head on a platter when the problem is far bigger than one man?

Is he the only problem, CaptOveur? Of course not, but this job was far, far beyond his puny capabilities, and he should never have been nominated by Mr. Bush, nor confirmed by the Senate. He had no business being where he was.

It's a start, and, from reading other things, there's more Mike Brown's in the government that Bush has put in SOLELY on their political connections, who have no business being where they are. They need to be found and gotten rid of.

So this man's head SHOULD have rolled, but so should others. And the American people should demand the president explain why a dolt like Brown was his choice to head the federal (non)response to Katrina.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
I know he is the leader, he is responsible.. but what did firing him really solve? did it make us more or less prepared for next time?

Gee, I don't know-it got rid of someone who was incompetent and who SHOULD HAVE BEEN CANNED? Why is it you're so willing to cover Bush's ass and defend incompetent dolts like this guy?

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
I guess you would rather blame the man and fire him than fix the system.

Part of the process, CaptOveur, in fixing the system, is finding the flaws in FEMA, and can you sit there, adn tell me, with a straight face, that this jackass isn't PART of the problem? The failures in communication, in execution of response, in having a clue what was going on (example of FEMA and DHS not knowing for more than 48 hours that there was anyone in the Convention Center), lead to the top. In this case, to Mr. Brown and Mr. Chertoff, who run those respective agencies. Ultimately, it stops with the president.

You find the errors and the weak links, you correct them, and you make sure you do a better job next time.

Or, are you advocating that this dolt for some reason NOT be sent back to the dog and pony show-literally?


25 Post contains links Falcon84 : And now, this guy who is staying on FEMA as a "consultant" is showing us why he's being allowed to stay on-so he can lay the blame everywhere but on h
26 Post contains images Redngold : The Buck... passes... here! Argh. redngold
27 Seb146 : Sure, the mayor and governer could have used busses to get the poor and sick out of the city ahead of the storm. But was it the governer or mayor who
28 Captoveur : How does this relate to Bush? I know he appointed the guy but I don't care who appointed him. He may be, I don't work for FEMA.. Do you?
29 AeroWesty : From the cnn.com link Falcon provided: The Washington Post reported earlier this month that the top three FEMA officials had ties to Bush's 2000 pres
30 Captoveur : Gotta tell ya, I really don't care. He probably would have made more in a job in the public sector, the lies on his resume seemed to get by the feder
31 Boeing7E7 : The authority of Command and Control is a local issue unless relinquished to the Federal Government by the Governor, this did not occur until Thursda
32 Post contains images NWA742 : Those are the right attitudes to have, Tbar, and I agree with you. But ANC has a very good point. You can't direct them towards just FEMA and the gov
33 AeroWesty : As been often stated and documented, Brownie was appointed as the DEPUTY FEMA Director, basically as Allbaugh's legal counsel, and since FEMA had los
34 Seb146 : Boeing7E7: Both the mayor and governer were asking for help from the federal government *BEFORE THE STORM HIT!!!!* The fact that FEMA did nothing exce
35 Boeing7E7 : FEMA does not have first responders, First Responders are local in nature only. FEMA is a logistics and support agency. They didn't block anything. T
36 Tbar220 : Are you serious? That is just asinine. Ahhhh, but that over $100,000 dollars he made this year is tax money! Its your money, its my money, its money
37 NWA742 : I don't deny that, but from what I've seen, I'd say you level the majority of your criticism towards the federal government and the president. I see
38 Tbar220 : Well you're right. Criticism of Nagin and Blanco and whoever else is for other threads, and has been discussed. If there's a thread, I'll respond. We
39 Dragon-wings : I heard on NBC Nightly news tonight that he might be working for FEMA again so his testimony has to be appoved by the White House.
40 AeroWesty : So how would that work? A Republican White House approving the testimony to a Republican-controlled Congress, investigating a Republican appointed fo
41 B744F : checks and balances = old and busted
42 ANCFlyer : I did hear this reported as well . . . Something about, "As long as Brown is still on the Federal Payroll, he is a political appointee and his testim
43 11Bravo : Although this whole deal sounds a bit shady, I would point out that there is a Federal employment regulation that requires compensation for testimony
44 AeroWesty : The question isn't being paid for his day of testimony, it's his remaining on the payroll when he'd "resigned" earlier this month. Details to follow,
45 Falcon84 : Par for the course with this arrogant, ignorant administration, my friend. They cannot and WILL not tolerate criticism, and will do anything to stifl
46 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I saw that . . . and I rather prayed for a moment that Brown would counter with a question to him about what he hauled out of his private residence w
47 AeroWesty : One of the stunning quotes from Brownie's testimony: "I've been trying to get the U.S. Government out of the ice business for years. It shouldn't be o
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