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SEC Opens Official Investigation Into Frist  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 896 times:

Well, since the other thread turned into a discussion about presidential candidates...

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SEC Upgrades Sen. Frist Stock Inquiry

By MARCY GORDON, AP Business Writer 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The
Securities and Exchange Commission, which is examining a stock sale by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, has upgraded its initial informal inquiry to a formal investigation.

The change means the agency can issue subpoenas for documents rather than just requesting them. Federal prosecutors also are investigating the Tennessee Republican's recent sale of stock in HCA Inc. about two weeks before its price dropped. Frist's family founded the big hospital operating company.


AP Report

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Surprised? So the former House majority leader is under investigation? The Senate majority leader is under investigation? When will people stop saying "big deal, all politicians do it"? When will we start holding people accountable for their actions?

I'm so sick and tired of all this.


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 893 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
When will we start holding people accountable for their actions?

Right after the next American Revolution!!!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 888 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
When will people stop saying "big deal, all politicians do it"?

When we have total anarchy and there is no need for politicians . . . until then, well, get used to it.

It happens on both sides of the aisle . . . just happens to be the Repubs turn in the hot seat for now . . .


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Hopefully people will start to care now and we will start holding our representatives responsible, at the national, state, and local levels.

Texan



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 879 times:

I wonder how Frist voted on Sarbanes-Oxley? ::whistle::


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
When we have total anarchy and there is no need for politicians . . . until then, well, get used to it.

I will never get used to it and never just accept it. Just because it happens and just because people say "all politicians are scum" does NOT make it acceptable.

I'm sick and tired of people using the excuses "it's just the Republican's turn" or "it happens on both sides of the aisle". The leaders in congress and in the white house (i.e. Rove and his ilk) are some of the most corrupt I've ever seen. All at once we're seeing investigations involving Frist, DeLay, and Abramoff. We SHOULD be seeing investigations in Rove and Chertoff. Safavaian gets arrested and Brown gets rehired by FEMA. The Republicans are investigating themselves over the Katrina response. etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on and on.

I just can't take this shit anymore. What ever happened to accountability? What ever happened to the LAW? These lawmakers are flaunting the law thinking that because they are in positions of power they are exempt from it.

I'm sick of it, and everybody else shouldn't stand for it. They never should stand for it. We should expect the highest honor and ethical stance from the people that WE vote for, the people that run our country and write its laws. Instead, they just spend their time filling their pockets and the pockets of their corporate interests.

Some democracy this is...



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Some democracy this is

Teapot Dome
Chappaquiddick
The Chicago 8
Kent State
Watergate

...there's a tiring list that's far more extensive than that which has just rolled off my tongue.

We've lived through similar scandals and survived, and we'll continue to. It's never "acceptable", but there are prices to be paid for abusing both the power invested in you and the trust of the American people.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 856 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
there are prices to be paid for abusing both the power invested in you and the trust of the American people.

I hope that the price is heavy for this abuse of power and destruction of any trust.

I also feel this is different than any other time we've been through in our country for two reasons.

1. I feel like we no longer have a voice. We might be able to vote at the voting booth, but once representatives get to congress they only pander to their corporate interests. Basically this means that if you have more money, you have a greater voice. This is not democracy. This isn't new, just look at McKinley's presidency at Hanna, who was basically the McKinley's Karl Rove. It's just so much greater now. Corporations are the ones who are now "looting" the city of New Orleans, recieving no bid contracts to rebuild. The same corporations recieved no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq in a war I have no fucking clue why we got into in the first place.

2. The Media is owned and controlled by a few large super corporations. Murdoch, GE, Disney, etc. Is this the voice of democracy? Channels like Fox NEWS have "journalists" who consistently voice their expert "opinions" on a subject under the guise of news. Independent media is swallowed up, and Congress tries to monitor what is on the internet, further restricting the information we have. Furthermore, on the same topic of information, this is the most secretive presidency I've ever seen. Press conferences and town hall meetings are a joke, while the president goes and takes five week vacations.

Those in power now ought to pay for these lies and scandals. But if they don't, I fear something far greater will occur, involving violent protest perhaps? I don't know, but I'm not the only one who thinks so. People are FED UP. And we're less than a year into the second term. Just look at the recent rally in DC, with estimates of up to 300,000 people. That's a LOT of people. Opinions aside about Cindy Sheehan, that's a lot of people who are angry at the current state of affairs. There's just as many people who didn't go to the rally who are fed up as well.

I've seen enough of the lies, the corruption, and the eroding of our democracy and civil liberties.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
I will never get used to it and never just accept it. Just because it happens and just because people say "all politicians are scum" does NOT make it acceptable.

I don't recall condoning it . . . I'm simply pointing out the obvious . . .

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
These lawmakers are flaunting the law thinking that because they are in positions of power they are exempt from it.

Agreed

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
I'm sick and tired of people using the excuses "it's just the Republican's turn" or "it happens on both sides of the aisle".

Not an excuse . . .a fact . . . and it is correct. Happens on both sides of the aisle. . . . don't believe that, you're missing the boat.

Nice rant, by the way . . .

I just pointed out the blindingly obvious . . . you're not so narrow minded in your focus that you don't see it . . . . you may not like it, but it's fact.

The way to deal with this, demand accountability. Start with the voting booth. Run for office yourself.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
I've seen enough of the lies, the corruption, and the eroding of our democracy and civil liberties.

Stay mad! Funnel your understanding of injustice into something that can make a difference.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
This isn't new, just look at McKinley's presidency at Hanna, who was basically the McKinley's Karl Rove. It's just so much greater now.

It was even greater in the days of vertical corporations and before anti-trust laws were written onto the books. We've come a long way, but there's still a lot more to do.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
The Media is owned and controlled by a few large super corporations. Murdoch, GE, Disney, etc. Is this the voice of democracy?

Were the influences of William Randolph Hearst, Katherine Graham, or their contemporaries any different, good or bad?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
I fear something far greater will occur, involving violent protest perhaps?

People's Park! People's Park! People's Park!

[Edited 2005-09-29 04:47:46]


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 837 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Not an excuse . . .a fact . . . and it is correct. Happens on both sides of the aisle. . . . don't believe that, you're missing the boat.

Nice rant, by the way . . .

Glad you liked my rant  Yeah sure Did you bother to read it, perhaps comment on it?

I don't deny that it happens on both sides, don't assume that. My problem is that its an epidemic among our LEADERSHIP. The leadership of both the House of Representatives and the Senate are under investigation. Our President led us into a war based on lies about WMD's. Karl Rove should be under investigation for treason involving Valerie Plame. Our Defense leaders are telling our soldiers its ok to torture Iraqi inmates. The list goes on and on and on, and you know it.

Now we know it happens on the democratic side, but its nowhere near the level that it is with the Republicans. And if it is, its not been documented.

I guess greed and corruption infests those in power.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 835 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
The way to deal with this, demand accountability. Start with the voting booth. Run for office yourself.

Maybe I will, I have considered it once I graduate from college and get a decent job. That will come first.



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User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
I don't deny that it happens on both sides, don't assume that. My problem is that its an epidemic among our LEADERSHIP. The leadership of both the House of Representatives and the Senate are under investigation. Our President led us into a war based on lies about WMD's. Karl Rove should be under investigation for treason involving Valerie Plame. Our Defense leaders are telling our soldiers its ok to torture Iraqi inmates. The list goes on and on and on, and you know it.

Right on the money, squire.

It seems that the once-rabid republican partisans are suddenly all claiming that they are "independents". Bill O'Reilly does it, but his actions betray him.

I don't know how many times I've heard these same posters, when cornered, screaming "well it doesn't matter anyway 'cos Bush won the election, you guys are just sore losers". Well, it does matter.

The stink of corruption and greased-palms has followed Delay from lobbyist-financed golf-trip to well-heeled donor boondoggle FOR YEARS. Earlier this year, Mr. Pay-for-Play was pushing changes to the House ethics rules - he wanted to drop the requirement that a leader under indictment be forced to step down -go figure.

Look at the policy that's been bought and paid for. Energy corporations making windfall profits get huge government subsidies. Likewise the Pharmaceuticals. The EPA is gutted and polluters get to regulate themselves. Credit-card companies want protection from all the bad debt they've invited by carpet-bombing the country with credit-cards - no problem, just make out a check to the RNC and consider it done.

All of Delay's shenanigans have played out under the noses of Republican leadership - who have chosen to ignore them because Delay kept the cash-register humming. They are complicit in his crimes.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 824 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
Did you bother to read it, perhaps comment on it?

Sure I did . . . I agree with most of it . . . we need accountability, we need to punish those that take advantage of their position . . .

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
I guess greed and corruption infests those in power.

It has nearly always been so. . . .


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 821 times:

ANC,

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 14):
ANC,

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic.

No worries . . . .

Now, here's a small lesson . . .

Being Sarcastic =  sarcastic 

Not being Sarcastic = no  sarcastic 

Now this would be called being a smartass  biggrin 


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 811 times:

Let's see: seems we have dirt on Frist and Delay. Just find something on Bush, and I'll wager on that trifecta.  Big grin (cue from ANC's "smartass" symbol  Wink )

User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 798 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Just find something on Bush, and I'll wager on that trifecta.

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