Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 764 times:
Well, since the other thread turned into a discussion about presidential candidates...
SEC Upgrades Sen. Frist Stock Inquiry
By MARCY GORDON, AP Business Writer 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The
Securities and Exchange Commission, which is examining a stock sale by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, has upgraded its initial informal inquiry to a formal investigation.
The change means the agency can issue subpoenas for documents rather than just requesting them. Federal prosecutors also are investigating the Tennessee Republican's recent sale of stock in HCA Inc. about two weeks before its price dropped. Frist's family founded the big hospital operating company.
Surprised? So the former House majority leader is under investigation? The Senate majority leader is under investigation? When will people stop saying "big deal, all politicians do it"? When will we start holding people accountable for their actions?
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 742 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2): When we have total anarchy and there is no need for politicians . . . until then, well, get used to it.
I will never get used to it and never just accept it. Just because it happens and just because people say "all politicians are scum" does NOT make it acceptable.
I'm sick and tired of people using the excuses "it's just the Republican's turn" or "it happens on both sides of the aisle". The leaders in congress and in the white house (i.e. Rove and his ilk) are some of the most corrupt I've ever seen. All at once we're seeing investigations involving Frist, DeLay, and Abramoff. We SHOULD be seeing investigations in Rove and Chertoff. Safavaian gets arrested and Brown gets rehired by FEMA. The Republicans are investigating themselves over the Katrina response. etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on and on.
I just can't take this shit anymore. What ever happened to accountability? What ever happened to the LAW? These lawmakers are flaunting the law thinking that because they are in positions of power they are exempt from it.
I'm sick of it, and everybody else shouldn't stand for it. They never should stand for it. We should expect the highest honor and ethical stance from the people that WE vote for, the people that run our country and write its laws. Instead, they just spend their time filling their pockets and the pockets of their corporate interests.
The Chicago 8
...there's a tiring list that's far more extensive than that which has just rolled off my tongue.
We've lived through similar scandals and survived, and we'll continue to. It's never "acceptable", but there are prices to be paid for abusing both the power invested in you and the trust of the American people.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 724 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6): there are prices to be paid for abusing both the power invested in you and the trust of the American people.
I hope that the price is heavy for this abuse of power and destruction of any trust.
I also feel this is different than any other time we've been through in our country for two reasons.
1. I feel like we no longer have a voice. We might be able to vote at the voting booth, but once representatives get to congress they only pander to their corporate interests. Basically this means that if you have more money, you have a greater voice. This is not democracy. This isn't new, just look at McKinley's presidency at Hanna, who was basically the McKinley's Karl Rove. It's just so much greater now. Corporations are the ones who are now "looting" the city of New Orleans, recieving no bid contracts to rebuild. The same corporations recieved no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq in a war I have no fucking clue why we got into in the first place.
2. The Media is owned and controlled by a few large super corporations. Murdoch, GE, Disney, etc. Is this the voice of democracy? Channels like Fox NEWS have "journalists" who consistently voice their expert "opinions" on a subject under the guise of news. Independent media is swallowed up, and Congress tries to monitor what is on the internet, further restricting the information we have. Furthermore, on the same topic of information, this is the most secretive presidency I've ever seen. Press conferences and town hall meetings are a joke, while the president goes and takes five week vacations.
Those in power now ought to pay for these lies and scandals. But if they don't, I fear something far greater will occur, involving violent protest perhaps? I don't know, but I'm not the only one who thinks so. People are FED UP. And we're less than a year into the second term. Just look at the recent rally in DC, with estimates of up to 300,000 people. That's a LOT of people. Opinions aside about Cindy Sheehan, that's a lot of people who are angry at the current state of affairs. There's just as many people who didn't go to the rally who are fed up as well.
I've seen enough of the lies, the corruption, and the eroding of our democracy and civil liberties.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 705 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8): Not an excuse . . .a fact . . . and it is correct. Happens on both sides of the aisle. . . . don't believe that, you're missing the boat.
Nice rant, by the way . . .
Glad you liked my rant Did you bother to read it, perhaps comment on it?
I don't deny that it happens on both sides, don't assume that. My problem is that its an epidemic among our LEADERSHIP. The leadership of both the House of Representatives and the Senate are under investigation. Our President led us into a war based on lies about WMD's. Karl Rove should be under investigation for treason involving Valerie Plame. Our Defense leaders are telling our soldiers its ok to torture Iraqi inmates. The list goes on and on and on, and you know it.
Now we know it happens on the democratic side, but its nowhere near the level that it is with the Republicans. And if it is, its not been documented.
I guess greed and corruption infests those in power.
Dan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 693 times:
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10): I don't deny that it happens on both sides, don't assume that. My problem is that its an epidemic among our LEADERSHIP. The leadership of both the House of Representatives and the Senate are under investigation. Our President led us into a war based on lies about WMD's. Karl Rove should be under investigation for treason involving Valerie Plame. Our Defense leaders are telling our soldiers its ok to torture Iraqi inmates. The list goes on and on and on, and you know it.
Right on the money, squire.
It seems that the once-rabid republican partisans are suddenly all claiming that they are "independents". Bill O'Reilly does it, but his actions betray him.
I don't know how many times I've heard these same posters, when cornered, screaming "well it doesn't matter anyway 'cos Bush won the election, you guys are just sore losers". Well, it does matter.
The stink of corruption and greased-palms has followed Delay from lobbyist-financed golf-trip to well-heeled donor boondoggle FOR YEARS. Earlier this year, Mr. Pay-for-Play was pushing changes to the House ethics rules - he wanted to drop the requirement that a leader under indictment be forced to step down -go figure.
Look at the policy that's been bought and paid for. Energy corporations making windfall profits get huge government subsidies. Likewise the Pharmaceuticals. The EPA is gutted and polluters get to regulate themselves. Credit-card companies want protection from all the bad debt they've invited by carpet-bombing the country with credit-cards - no problem, just make out a check to the RNC and consider it done.
All of Delay's shenanigans have played out under the noses of Republican leadership - who have chosen to ignore them because Delay kept the cash-register humming. They are complicit in his crimes.