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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

As we all know Israel has very very limited political contact with the rest of the Middle East. One example, for sports, they always compete with the Europan teams. This has lead to Israel having much more relations with Europe than the Middle East which is understandable.

Thus would there be any chance that Israel applies for joining the EU. I personally think there's no chance since its not really in Europe but many people say its a possibility !

what are my fellow A.netter's thoughts

Regards

BM


A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I actually think that Israel should work to improve relations with Arab nations before considering any such move. Rather than "escaping" to the EU, a positive diplomatic mission to improve relations with Arab neighbors would be better. Of course, this is a two way road and all sides would need to help as well.

The evacuation of Gaza is a start, hopefully this recent violence will calm down and we can look into the future as well.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Turkey isn`t really in Europe too, but on the way into the EU.

I don`t expect Israel joining the EU (if they ever wanted to join it) until there is a stable peace with the Palestinians. How long should we wait? 50 years?

Axel



Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

How about, not just Israel, but BOTH Israel and the Palestinians joining the EU on that condition?


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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 2):
Turkey isn`t really in Europe too, but on the way into the EU.

Look at a map. You'll find a small chunk of Turkey sits on European soil. Granted, most of it is in Asia, but your statement is still wrong.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Relations between Israel and the EU haven't exactly been the best, so I don't see a rush to application there, or a rush to admit either. I doubt if the two entities would see eye-to-eye on social legislation.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 2):
Turkey isn`t really in Europe too

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Turkey's largest city, Istanbul, clearly IS in Europe, and Edirne also, so that Turkey REALLY is in Europe, whenever only partially --- while Cyprus and Malta are NOT. Few people realize that Malta is SOUTH of Tunis (south-east of course) and NOT to the NORTH of Tunis. But I would rather favour a merger of the Arab League into the E.U. .


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

It's not part of Europe so I don't see why it should be part of the EU, participate in European sports events, Eurovision song contests, or any other European activitites. If Japan, or Nigeria, or Canada do not participate in European events I don't see why we should make exceptions for Israel. Rules are rules, and they're not there to be broken. Israel is not part of Europe both Geographically, nor politically. End of story. That's my opinion.


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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 4):
Look at a map. You'll find a small chunk of Turkey sits on European soil. Granted, most of it is in Asia, but your statement is still wrong.

4% of Turkey lies in Europe.

And no, I don't want them, or Israel to join the EU.

[Edited 2005-09-29 11:02:58]

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Personally I think that Israel should stay away , while maintaining its current economical, political and cultural realtions with the EU as a whole and with each European country. I am also against deeper integration with our neigbours, regardless of the peace process, which must continue. We are too different from them and integration of that type will hurt Israeli economy and cultural life.


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User currently offlineAirbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Thus would there be any chance that Israel applies for joining the EU. I personally think there's no chance since its not really in Europe but many people say its a possibility !

Israel joining EU? In my opinion, becoming the new 51st US state have more sense.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

No way. Israel is not an European country! I also don't understand why Israel is allowed to be member of the UEFA (European Football Association). The EU has enough problems with the different European countries. I don't see and don't want Turkey to become a EU member either, because it is not a real European country, 96 % is in Asia.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Israel would need to make many changes to qualify for EU member status. Most of these involve changes to the fundamental issues in Israeli governance and human rights laws, and could be construed as not being in that nation's interests by its population.

So I doubt it is going to happen soon. Although current arrangements with the world's largest trading bloc are both extensive and friendly, and Israeli pharmaceutical exports are just one area where there is substantial trade. In many respects it is probably in the interests of Israel not to belong to any formal alliance like the EU.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 4):
Look at a map. You'll find a small chunk of Turkey sits on European soil.

I know that geographically a part of Turkey lies in Europe. But with my post I have meant that beeing European has something to do with a cultural European identity. Turkey is a country of an oriental background and way of live. Since the 7th century it was a islamic post, witch allways tried to conquest or influence European countries in order to expatiate the Islam. In history it was often a couterpart of European countries and philosophy. But never the less, nowadays it has ties to Europe and will be (and I support it) sooner or later a member of the EU. So, why shouldn`t Israel with his closer cultural ties, join the union?

Axel



Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 7):
Eurovision song contests

they in fact already DO participate in at least one major Eurovision song contest, and they already ARE participating in some European organisations.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 8):
% of Turkey lies in Europ

you now talk about the surface. But as Turkey has 70 mio people, and Istanbul including suburbs 12 mio and the rest of European Turkey some 10 mio, it makes more than 20 mio. people in Europe which means that almost 30% of the Turkish population DO live in Europe. The E.U. is the only option for Turkey and they in the end of course will become a full member of the E.U.
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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
they in fact already DO participate in at least one major Eurovision song contest, and they already ARE participating in some European organisations.

I know, and it annoys me cus it's like sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong.  irked 



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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
almost 30% of the Turkish population DO live in Europe

In other words: more than 70% does not live in Europe...  Smile


User currently onlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

IMHO, Turkey has some serious shaping up to do before they fully enter the European Union. Sorting out the situation with the Kurds in a different way than the current "kick'em-out-or-kill'em" way, is one example that prevents Turkey for entering the EU.

And Israel cannot enter the EU until the situation with Palestine is resolved. And I believe that as long as religion is involved, neither side will make any serious move to end the conflict.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Leaving aside political issues to focus on geography, economics and culture, Israel's case for EU membership is at least as strong as Turkey's. While Israel, unlike Turkey, is completely outside Europe in a geographic sense, it has much closer economic and cultural ties. Those seem much more important than geography.
As noted elsewhere, Cyprus and Malta are now in the EU despite having only a dubious claim to being geographically part of Europe. There's also a budding movement for the admission of Cape Verde, which is beyond doubt geographically part of Africa, in recognition of its close cultural ties to Europe (and, interestingly, to the United States).



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 20):
On the point of Israel, I also thought they would like to join the EU

Here's another insight: vast majority of Israelis do not want even to raise the EU issue. It's a simple non-question here, if you will. Very few people would want that option to happen.

That being said, over 30% of Israelis are citizens of EU and by 2010 almost 45% will hold an EU passport. And that does not include people like me who could get such passport but are not doing it.



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
But I would rather favour a merger of the Arab League into the E.U. .

There isn't a single member of the Arab League that even comes close to meeting the EU requirements for representative government or human rights.



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User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Israel CANNOT join the EU, because in order to be allowed to join it, you have to be inside Europe. Thats why Morocco applied for a membership but was rejected. While I will not discuss Turkey, they are at least partially inside Europe, something which is not the case for Israel.

I do think and hope, however that we could get some important agreements with Israel. Look at Switzerland: They are not a member of the EU, but their citizens have the same rights, because they signed a treaty with the EU about that. It is not completely impossible that Israel also could sign treaties about the freedom to work, but I do not see that possibility for the next 30 years.

Michael


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

I doubt the EU would take Israel.

The EU does not wish to alienate any potential trading parter and a lot of the mid-east likes European goods, if Israel was a member of the EU Arab nations might seek other sources for their goods.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

There was some talk of Israel joining the EU a few years back...I doubt it will ever happen though. However, don't forget that Israel and the EU are HUGE trading partners.

At the end of the day though, the US-Israel relationship is the most important one for Israel. And that relationship has reached unthinkable levels in the past few years. The US and Israel are closer than ever.

On the point of Israel, I also thought they would like to join the EU and I'm sure the Americans would LOVE for them to join, but it would open too many cans of worms.

Why would we LOVE that? I for one like the Israeli military to be coordinated with US forces...Could you ever imagine the IDF yielding some of their power to an EU military?


25 WhiteHatter : The current situation benefits everybody so I don't see the point of changing the status quo. Israel has close historical and social ties with many Eu
26 ME AVN FAN : while Albania and Bosnia are majority-wise Muslim countries deeply inside Europe and historically definite allies of the Turks I do NOT quite know wh
27 Bahadir : I can see this turning into Turkish EU membership instead of Israeli membership. Now, if the criterium is to be geographically part of Europe, Turkey
28 B744F : But on the other hand, Israel is occupying the land, not keeping up security of their citizens
29 Doona : This is not the criterium. If it was, Iceland, Ireland and the UK would have been allowed to enter either... Apparently there is no law or statute th
30 LY7E7 : And yet Israel has more advanced bilateral agreements with EU and its members than Turkey. The difference is that unlike Turkey, Israel is not aspiri
31 Airdolomiti : Ever wondered why that is? Bosnia was an independent kingdom of Roman/Slavic origins until 1463 when the Ottomans conquered it, and the same goes for
32 Alessandro : I think it would be good for Israelis farmers, but in other senses it wouldn´t be to good for Israel. Israel used to play football in the Oceanian gr
33 ZRH : As I know and learned do Ireland and the UK belong to Europe. They are islands but clearly belong to the European continent. Or do you consider them
34 Swissgabe : Well, if Turkey can join, Israel can too. And then maybe Jordan, Syria, Iraq and finally Tonga and Kiribati ... ... and Switzerland? enjoy your day ..
35 Alberchico : That is why Turkey is at the moment seeking admission....
36 ME AVN FAN : While I fail to understand what may be difficult to understand about this quite obvious matter. What exactly do you NOT understand ?
37 Doona : I was referring to the fact that they are island nations that are not connected to the European continent. But, yes, I can see that I might have been
38 EddieGunsmoke : Not very obvious if you ask me. Again, only a small part lies in Europe, and only a small minority lives in Europe.[Edited 2005-10-01 13:08:11]
39 RedChili : How about all other non-European countries that are allowed to take part in European competitions? Like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and some of those tha
40 ME AVN FAN : Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia ARE in Europe. And as the main-part of Russia is WEST of the URal and therefore geographically in Europe, all of Russ
41 EddieGunsmoke : Ok, I guess Alaska was a part of Europe once?
42 PROSA : Not (or mostly not) if you consider the northern slope of the Caucasus Mountains as the Europe-Asia border.
43 LY7E7 : As a Russian province - one might say it was. Same as French colonies... (French Guiana, Reunion, etc.). It's more about politics - less about geogra
44 Flyboy36y : Oh? What does it tke to be European? Or American or British for that matter? Is it about history? Then perhaps Turkey should have hat its own Musolin
45 ME AVN FAN : The European Council, the European Postal Union and other organisation have accepted all three countries as being INSIDE Europe, in contrast to Kazak
46 Alessandro : Well, I rather would like Cape Verde to join than Israel...
47 Post contains images Airdolomiti : I can't vouch for the accuracy of the history books I studied from, but I thought the Byzantines were Christians, not the Turks. You are right howeve
48 ME AVN FAN : - The Byzantines of course WERE Christians and the centre of "East Rome" . That is why the "Pope" of the Greek Orthodox Church is in Istanbul (Byzanz
49 OV735 : Sorry, but IMO backing up one's arguments with the lies from a media that is known to have been the greatest propaganda machine in the last 90 years
50 LY7E7 : That has nothing in common with the EU question. And , as I've said before, peace with our neigbours does not have to involve Israel joining some sor
51 PROSA : One unsettled issue in the United States is whether people of Armenian ancestry are considered nonwhite minorities and therefore eligible for affirma
52 ME AVN FAN : well, Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, Turks and Arabs ARE Whites, with the exception may be of some ethnic groups. But the racial criterias of the USA
53 ZRH : Oh yes it does very much. I don't see that Israel could become EU member as long as it is in a war with its neighbors. The question of Israel being a
54 Post contains images PROSA : And you, ME AVN FAN, have just won the 2006 Understatement of the Year Award
55 RedChili : Okay, so these countries are members of a European organization. But I replied to FlyAUA who, in reply 7, said that since Israel is not a part of Eur
56 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - thanks for this most distinguished honour ! - but, as many of your countrymen are not as tolerant and humourous as you apparently are, I try to exp
57 TheSonntag : There exists, at least thats what is written in the German law book "Europarecht" from Rudolf Streinz (who is a law professor of the University of Ko
58 YOWza : A cold day in hell before Israel gets in. yowza
59 B744F : Only when poverty and the opressive regimes supported by such super powers as the US stop allowing these leaders to take in so much wealth and keep t
60 David b. : Stop bitching B744F, they will never be in the EU. Give it up.
61 B744F : Wow the voice of confidence. Are you going to guarantee that?
62 David b. : Yes, first they are not in Europe. Second, the EU doesn't want them. Third, the EU is smart enough to know that Israel will grab billions of dollars o
63 B744F : You don't have to be in Europe Wouldn't surprise me as anti-semitism is at all time highs in Europe right now, that doesn't mean it always will be tha
64 David b. : You don't need to be a powerful country. You just need the right lobby groups.
65 B744F : Actually FYI most of the money to Israel is to pay them to keep quiet and not threaten the arab oil rich nations that have kept the worlds economies s
66 TheSonntag : Sorry??? Maybe I missed smth when living in Europe for the last 23 years.
67 Tbar220 : UHhhhhh.....riiiiighhht.....
68 LH526 : I woiuld love to see Israel join the EU, as it clearly is a more "western" oriented country. With it's culture, people, religion, it clearly shows mor
69 Numbertwelve : Look at the map, guys. Also it is well known that Mossat is torturing. And accepting Human rights and Geneva convention is a minimum requirements of t
70 LY7E7 : Speaking of money: another reason for Israel not to join is that we'll have to chip in for various EU programs we wouldn't like to finance (e.g. finan
71 NumberTwelve : LY7e7- the EU is not only question of money but of philosophy. We in Germany pay lots of support to our neighbours - we also get benefit from the EU.
72 ME AVN FAN : - a comprehensive peace in Palestine, respecting the rights of the Palestinian people, and including the independent Arab Republic of Palestine in th
73 Post contains images Airbuzz : Yes, It's always a matter of money...
74 ME AVN FAN : - well, by getting into the E.U. they would lose the financial support of the USA !
75 B744F : I forgot Sharon was elected for decades!
76 Yak42 : Well talks have already started on Turkeys accession and things are looking promising for Turkeys chances, although they would not be able to join any
77 FRAspotter : Uh... when did this happen? Turkey is probably the last country that the EU would let join. Same with Israel. There really is no point in calling it
78 RJpieces : Haha. I thought the way Yak42 wored this was quite hilarious: Israel is no exponent of real democracy, adhearance to human rights or international law
79 Illusion : The never-ending negotiations begun. But sooner or later the journey of Turkey becoming an EU member will be over... It is true that Turkey has still
80 B744F : Interesting, I did not know that. Neither did the 1.5 million arabs currently living in Israel as citizens with full rights. Can you tell me any coun
81 ME AVN FAN : - NOT welcomed by some and welcomed by others. Just as elsewhere in Europe. The E.U. in many ways is a kind of big-size bazaar, even if this comparis
82 Post contains links FOMEA : Ironically here is what Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had to say this morning : " Abbas was quoted as saying. "We are guests in Lebanon. We res
83 Illusion : True... But first we really need to upgrade the life standarts here. Turkey is not only the big cities like Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya... We are only
84 ME AVN FAN : A) the problem to "upgrade living standards" is NOT unique to Turkey. You can find the same or similar problems around the Mediterranean, and in remo
85 YAK42 : What I am saying is being a state built in an entirely sectarian way, having an exclusively sectarian immigration requirment and not allowing displac
86 B744F : I'm waiting for Americans to move out of their homes to allow the Natives back... Oh and when you flee because your "brothers" are trying to destroy
87 YAK42 : I dont know how you think that, but I doubt your very modest yourself. Thats right! Execept in very rare circumstances like your married to one and h
88 RedChili : YAK42, this is not toally correct. Israel actually has immigration laws that are very similar to most European countries. In Israel, you can acquire
89 Yak42 : Non jews, particularly muslims are extremely unlikely to gain citizenship in any of these ways unless they are born to Israeli citizen parents in Isr
90 Pyrex : Hey, if Jews are allowed to return to their "homeland" after 5000 years... Not to offend anyone but I still think the State of Israel, just as Monaco
91 LY7E7 : Actually - it's not. Germany has a similar one regarding ethnic Germans (e.g. Russian Germans) In that case the issue of the 40s regarding palestinia
92 Pyrex : Thanks for correcting it... problem is it makes absolutely no difference at all. Still, the hipocrisy about the Native American comparison maintains
93 RedChili : Once more, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. This works in very much the same way in Israel as in Europe. Let me take an example: It happens quite
94 LY7E7 : The main reason for the existance of the State of Israel is 2000 years long European anti-semitism, culmination of which resulted in the Holocaust. W
95 ME AVN FAN : - THIS is what I call a frank, clear and realistic explanation !
96 Post contains links OD720 : Since Lebanon was brought up, here's a short article for light reading. http://www.icelandreview.com/iceland...ife/?cat_id=16539&ew_0_a_id=159539
97 MD11Engineer : Actually I know a case where the daughters of a not Jewish South African colleague, who for many years lived in Israel and worked for IAI in Tel Aviv
98 MD11Engineer : Concerning Turkey, I think if the feudal structures still existing in the rural areas of eastern Turkey are being broken down and the region improves
99 Pyrex : The jews that were already there should be allowed to remain, obviously. No-one should have been thrown out from the homes they were living on, and d
100 LY7E7 : Thinking is not enough. We no longer have to think of what the future will be while taking an account anything but our national interests. Huh? Are y
101 RedChili : I really agree that nobody should have been thrown out. But actually, when the British government decided to open the gates of Palestine for Jewish i
102 Pyrex : Precisely. No-one was persecuting them when the state of Israel was created, so they had no reason to move. We study History in here as well, you kno
103 LY7E7 : And so came time when we ,as a nation, decided not to take chances. We could no longer trust Europeans. A nation-state was the answer. And always wil
104 MD11Engineer : Actually the French are to be blamed for the failure of this idea. As a winning power of WW1, they insisted during the Versailles conference in 1918
105 NYCFlyer : Interesting thread! Took a while to read through all of it. I'll throw in my two cents. The best part of Turkey's accession to the EU - whether it bel
106 LY7E7 : Sure, but I think that the British share this blame - I am speaking of the Sykes- Picot agreement - which contradicted the Balfour statement and the
107 RedChili : If you read the history of the last 1000 years, the Jews have been persecuted in every single country. In one century, they were heavily persecuted i
108 CPH757 : well said!! Israel definitely does not belong to the EU for the next many decaes, as long as they cannot live together with the palestinians (and rev
109 Post contains images Pyrex : Thus ending this entire debate. According to someone in this thread 30% or more of Israelis are europeans, do you not trust them? I would live very s
110 RedChili : The Nazis were democratically elected in Germany. And there were several other countries whose authorities were sticking faithfully to the same defin
111 RedChili : An addition: It was not only the Nazis and their allies who agreed to this. Even the British government agreed that the Jews are a nation, when they
112 BA : This is entirely false. In 1845, according to a census conducted by the Ottoman Empire (Palestine was then under Ottoman rule back then), the populat
113 Aleksandar : If in future EU doesn't consider its relationships with Middle Eastern countries and North African countries, I will consider it as intolerably stupid
114 LY7E7 : Of course there are common things. Israeli population has a large part of Jews who came from Arab and Moslem countries.Surely any one of them is as s
115 RedChili : I don't have time to refute these claims now, as I'm working today, but I will do so tonight or tomorrow morning. But I can assure you that your figu
116 ME AVN FAN : I have been in Turkish Cyprus once and in Greek Cyprus about six or seven times. So that I know the place quite well. Unfortunately, the military pre
117 Post contains links and images LY7E7 : Couldn't agree more, but we were talking history, not future... He knowingly released confidential information. That is a criminal offence , is usual
118 Pyrex : I seriously hope you are kidding...
119 LY7E7 : BA, I wasn;t saying that there was no growth in the percentage of the Jews in Palestine. I was saying that when Arabs noticed that trand they started
120 Aleksandar : Hmm, I might sound rude but this is an arrogant statement. Like any other nations, Arab countries are no different than any other. I do hope that non
121 NYCFlyer : Of course it's a ridiculous comment. If you read my post, you would have noticed the sarcasm. The likelihood of Israel giving up everything to the Pa
122 ME AVN FAN : the "right of return" is a complicated matter. While I support the right of return of Palestinians in the Palestinian diaspora to the Gaza Territory,
123 RedChili : Not necessarily. Israel settled the Holocaust survivors and Jewish refugees from Arab countries. Nobody thinks that Israel condoned or legalized neit
124 Pyrex : What I find ridiculous is comparing Andaluzia with the West Bank. The two situations have nothing in common. Everyone in Portugal has jewish ancestry
125 LY7E7 : And both of you are right.
126 ME AVN FAN : The Holocaust survivors in fact gave Israel the numerical population they needed for the Herzl-Programme, AND the Holocaust survivors had meagre inte
127 LY7E7 : That would be an equivalent of Jews claiming parts of Germany or other European country. Andalucia is by no means sacred to Arabs/Moslems. Now , this
128 RedChili : I'm probably one of those who's guilty of bringing this debate off-track, but I agree with you. There's not much left of EU in this thread now!
129 ME AVN FAN : You may be right in a rather limited sense. Any Israel-E.U.-question for sure is and gets linked with the Palestine-problem. As soon as that problem
130 LY7E7 : Indeed, but it is still only one of many reasons why Israel should stay out of the EU.
131 L410Turbolet : Of course, it's "better" because this allows them to easily rally the crowds behind the anti-Israel hatred. I guess it shows the true face of the Ara
132 Pyrex : What does Israel export to Serbia? What does Serbia export to Israel? Actually he made Israel a favor. From then on Israel had no need to develop or
133 VC-10 : Locked due to thread drift
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