RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4182 posts, RR: 42 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
As we all know Israel has very very limited political contact with the rest of the Middle East. One example, for sports, they always compete with the Europan teams. This has lead to Israel having much more relations with Europe than the Middle East which is understandable.
Thus would there be any chance that Israel applies for joining the EU. I personally think there's no chance since its not really in Europe but many people say its a possibility !
what are my fellow A.netter's thoughts
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Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
I actually think that Israel should work to improve relations with Arab nations before considering any such move. Rather than "escaping" to the EU, a positive diplomatic mission to improve relations with Arab neighbors would be better. Of course, this is a two way road and all sides would need to help as well.
The evacuation of Gaza is a start, hopefully this recent violence will calm down and we can look into the future as well.
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5545 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
Relations between Israel and the EU haven't exactly been the best, so I don't see a rush to application there, or a rush to admit either. I doubt if the two entities would see eye-to-eye on social legislation.
Turkey's largest city, Istanbul, clearly IS in Europe, and Edirne also, so that Turkey REALLY is in Europe, whenever only partially --- while Cyprus and Malta are NOT. Few people realize that Malta is SOUTH of Tunis (south-east of course) and NOT to the NORTH of Tunis. But I would rather favour a merger of the Arab League into the E.U. .
FlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
It's not part of Europe so I don't see why it should be part of the EU, participate in European sports events, Eurovision song contests, or any other European activitites. If Japan, or Nigeria, or Canada do not participate in European events I don't see why we should make exceptions for Israel. Rules are rules, and they're not there to be broken. Israel is not part of Europe both Geographically, nor politically. End of story. That's my opinion.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2716 times:
Personally I think that Israel should stay away , while maintaining its current economical, political and cultural realtions with the EU as a whole and with each European country. I am also against deeper integration with our neigbours, regardless of the peace process, which must continue. We are too different from them and integration of that type will hurt Israeli economy and cultural life.
Airbuzz From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter): Thus would there be any chance that Israel applies for joining the EU. I personally think there's no chance since its not really in Europe but many people say its a possibility !
Israel joining EU? In my opinion, becoming the new 51st US state have more sense.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
No way. Israel is not an European country! I also don't understand why Israel is allowed to be member of the UEFA (European Football Association). The EU has enough problems with the different European countries. I don't see and don't want Turkey to become a EU member either, because it is not a real European country, 96 % is in Asia.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
Israel would need to make many changes to qualify for EU member status. Most of these involve changes to the fundamental issues in Israeli governance and human rights laws, and could be construed as not being in that nation's interests by its population.
So I doubt it is going to happen soon. Although current arrangements with the world's largest trading bloc are both extensive and friendly, and Israeli pharmaceutical exports are just one area where there is substantial trade. In many respects it is probably in the interests of Israel not to belong to any formal alliance like the EU.
Oldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2019 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2635 times:
Quoting Geoffm (Reply 4): Look at a map. You'll find a small chunk of Turkey sits on European soil.
I know that geographically a part of Turkey lies in Europe. But with my post I have meant that beeing European has something to do with a cultural European identity. Turkey is a country of an oriental background and way of live. Since the 7th century it was a islamic post, witch allways tried to conquest or influence European countries in order to expatiate the Islam. In history it was often a couterpart of European countries and philosophy. But never the less, nowadays it has ties to Europe and will be (and I support it) sooner or later a member of the EU. So, why shouldn`t Israel with his closer cultural ties, join the union?
you now talk about the surface. But as Turkey has 70 mio people, and Istanbul including suburbs 12 mio and the rest of European Turkey some 10 mio, it makes more than 20 mio. people in Europe which means that almost 30% of the Turkish population DO live in Europe. The E.U. is the only option for Turkey and they in the end of course will become a full member of the E.U.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
IMHO, Turkey has some serious shaping up to do before they fully enter the European Union. Sorting out the situation with the Kurds in a different way than the current "kick'em-out-or-kill'em" way, is one example that prevents Turkey for entering the EU.
And Israel cannot enter the EU until the situation with Palestine is resolved. And I believe that as long as religion is involved, neither side will make any serious move to end the conflict.
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5566 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
Leaving aside political issues to focus on geography, economics and culture, Israel's case for EU membership is at least as strong as Turkey's. While Israel, unlike Turkey, is completely outside Europe in a geographic sense, it has much closer economic and cultural ties. Those seem much more important than geography.
As noted elsewhere, Cyprus and Malta are now in the EU despite having only a dubious claim to being geographically part of Europe. There's also a budding movement for the admission of Cape Verde, which is beyond doubt geographically part of Africa, in recognition of its close cultural ties to Europe (and, interestingly, to the United States).
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3387 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Israel CANNOT join the EU, because in order to be allowed to join it, you have to be inside Europe. Thats why Morocco applied for a membership but was rejected. While I will not discuss Turkey, they are at least partially inside Europe, something which is not the case for Israel.
I do think and hope, however that we could get some important agreements with Israel. Look at Switzerland: They are not a member of the EU, but their citizens have the same rights, because they signed a treaty with the EU about that. It is not completely impossible that Israel also could sign treaties about the freedom to work, but I do not see that possibility for the next 30 years.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
There was some talk of Israel joining the EU a few years back...I doubt it will ever happen though. However, don't forget that Israel and the EU are HUGE trading partners.
At the end of the day though, the US-Israel relationship is the most important one for Israel. And that relationship has reached unthinkable levels in the past few years. The US and Israel are closer than ever.
On the point of Israel, I also thought they would like to join the EU and I'm sure the Americans would LOVE for them to join, but it would open too many cans of worms.
Why would we LOVE that? I for one like the Israeli military to be coordinated with US forces...Could you ever imagine the IDF yielding some of their power to an EU military?
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