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Guilty Because Of The Way You Look  
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6741 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

http://www.metronews.co.uk/news/arti...er__what_the_usa_told_zakaria.html

A WITHINGTON business graduate says he was told he was banned from ever entering the USA because customs officials thought he looked like a terrorist.

Zakaria Mohammed Elmasri, 26, flew from Costa Rica to Miami airport on September 8 on his way to a friend’s wedding in Toronto.

British citizen Zakaria, whose family is from Libya, was met off the plane by US customs officials who interrogated him for four hours before locking him in a cell and sending him back to Costa Rica the next morning.

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And what does a terrorist look like?


wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Last time I was in GVA I crossed the F/CH border with the Rhaat and his BMW.
Two young people (one being not white) in a luxury car.

Guess the rest.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 1):
Guess the rest.

Not too difficult to imagine, sad to say.

Having a flash car and not being white is always a great way to get the police to stop you over here. I think there was one man who was stopped 3 or 4 times in the same day a few years ago, in the same town.



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

It's strange that he is suspect, but they still let him leave. If he is bad enough to be banned from anywhere, then he should be bad enough to be prosecuted.

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

He should have bypassed the USA to avoid himself being hassled and humiliated like that, I am sure there are lots of possibilities to get from Costa Rica to Toronto, like via Mexico.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineStoney From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 199 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Try getting even an inch of fair treatment in Israel if you look even remotely like an arab (and they don't even care if you have a swiss passport)

I guess it's the same wherever you go, every nation/race has some type of person they suspect of being evil, actually sad situation and not looking like it will change anytime soon.



BAZL - Bundesamt gegen Zivilluftfahrt - royally screwing around with swiss aviation
User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

While I'm certainly not going to underestimate the frank racism of DHS and immigration people in the US, I smell something fishy here.
I can envision the extra scrutiny part, but I can't imagine even a racist DHS person say to him,
“We don’t like your people, we don’t like where you’re from and we don’t want your kind or people in the country.”

That sounds like the words that a Hollywood Director would put in a DHS employee's mouth. Did the guy also say in a stage southern accent, "What we have here is failure to communicate?"

Something more here.



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20642 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Well, duh.

"My father was from Libya in North Africa and I had spent a year there as a child before moving to the UK. He died last year and IÕd been to Libya to visit him, so I suppose the stamps in my passport might have had something to do with it."

Hell, even I'd be overly scrutinized with stamps from Libya in my passport, but I don't believe permanent banning from travel without due cause is appropriate.

/rant, resume jumping to conclusions.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

People are almost always judged by how they look no matter where they go. It could be a supermarket or an airport.

I was lunching in a restaurant one day with a friend of mine who is Philippino. During the meal, he found a large piece of glass in his food! He called the server over to investigate. She took the plate away and came back with it and removed the glass. My friend who has features that might make he seem as though he could belong to another ethnic group was informed, "I was told to tell you that we know you put the glass in there yourself. We've seen your kind of people do this before to get a free meal."

I was aghast and he said to the server, "Are you telling me that I brought glass into this restaurant and put it in my own food just to get my meal for free??"

He was abruptly told, "Just eat it and leave." He was furious, but said nothing more. I asked him if he was just going to let that go by. He said that there was no point in pursuing it.

I was livid and before you know it, my lily white self was in that kitchen blasting every one of them.

My friend's wife later said to him, "I should have married him instead of you."

LOL


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Actually I am wondering why there was such a big circus regarding the Lybia stamps. I entered the USA (just last Saturday) with my passport full of strange passport stamps (Iran, Oman, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, etc.).

Guess what? Strange that nobody of the immigration officers asked me why I have been to Iran, Laos, etc. Not only last Saturday, but always!

 scratchchin 

Patrick


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Strange that nobody of the immigration officers asked me why I have been to Iran, Laos, etc. Not only last Saturday, but always!

Yeah, but you don't look like a terrorist.  stirthepot 

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20642 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Actually I am wondering why there was such a big circus regarding the Lybia stamps

Pan Am 103.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
I entered the USA (just last Saturday) with my passport full of strange passport stamps (Iran, Oman, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, etc.).

Was there a nice man with a beagle on a leash walking around near you in Customs?

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Patrick

is not Zakaria.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 10):
Yeah, but you don't look like a terrorist.

Ask the TSA at JFK, they think different, I always get a special treatment there.  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 12):
I always get a special treatment there.

Does it involve lube? Big grin

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 13):
Does it involve lube?

Fortunately not!

Patrick


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting Stoney (Reply 5):
Try getting even an inch of fair treatment in Israel if you look even remotely like an arab (and they don't even care if you have a swiss passport)

There is a difference between "fair" treatment, and being locked up without just cause. They interrogate you in Israel if they are suspicious, but how often do they just throw you in jail because of your looks??


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20642 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 15):
how often do they just throw you in jail because of your looks??

Where did it say he was put in jail? Where did it say he was even shackled?

It sounds like he was put in a normal-sized holding "cell" or room that are used the world over at airports to hold those denied entrance to a country while awaiting deportation.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

If you read the article, he says he just spent 3 months backpacking in Central America.

Lets look a little more honestly at the situation. After 3 months of backpacking in the "jungle" and probably a lot of out of the way places (why else backpack?) I am sure his attire was not Bill Blass at that point, add to that his hygiene might not have been the best, add to that a UK passport with a long period in Libya (I assume that he spent some time with his dying father), and entering the USA from Costa Rica (quite a round about way of coming) clearly of Middle eastern descent, no visible means of support (3 months backpacking means no job). It would look very funny to me as an DHS agent. How can he afford to travel without a job?, why didn't he take a direct flight?.

And this is all at his word, we have no idea except for his side of the story with respect to the interview.

And US Airports do not have "cells". A simple room works quite well.

If he showed an attitude and with the above "innocent" facts supplied, I think I might have banned him as well.


User currently offlineKyril From France, joined Jun 2002, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2110 times:



Here's how i look, and i keep being arrested, strip searched by the stupid corporation we dare to call "police".
My 2 cents
Kyril


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
Here's how i look, and i keep being arrested, strip searched by the stupid corporation we dare to call "police".

Wow! You're fucked up. I'd arrest you too.  Wink

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

I hate that everytime I am in Syria I keep getting arrested because they say I look like a 'Right-Wing Christian.'


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User currently offlineKyril From France, joined Jun 2002, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

However the good part having my look is at airport's customs and security check. When they see me they think I'm too "obviously" guilty than I wouldn't even try to be outlaw.

Sometimes when I forget a coin in my jeans' pocket and that the metal arch rings, security guys take their handy detectors and verify me.
If it rings around my crouch, after seeing my face piercings, I look at them in the eyes smiling to put them in an awkward position. They never dare to go further as they turn red !

Kyril


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting Kyril (Reply 21):
If it rings around my crouch, after seeing my face piercings, I look at them in the eyes smiling to put them in an awkward position. They never dare to go further as they turn red !

LOL, that's funny!

Quoting Kyril (Reply 21):
However the good part having my look is at airport's customs and security check. When they see me they think I'm too "obviously" guilty than I wouldn't even try to be outlaw.

Good point.

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting Stoney (Reply 5):
Try getting even an inch of fair treatment in Israel if you look even remotely like an arab (and they don't even care if you have a swiss passport

Well, my friend, the Swiss are no better, I get hassled at the CH border every time I enter, maybe I look to Jewish!


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Hell, even I'd be overly scrutinized with stamps from Libya in my passport, but I don't believe permanent banning from travel without due cause is appropriate.

Immigration officials everywhere profile. Regardless of the official position in the US against profiling, most all law enforcement officers engage in this practice. Which is no surprise, since they spend their professional lives watching people.

I was pulled aside for extra screening 75% of the time for the first two years following 9/11. Not because I look like a terrorist, but because I have many passport stamps that guarantee heighten scrutiny.


25 Aa757first : That's kind of scary. You could be hiding something there that is dangerous. AAndrew
26 Post contains images Kyril : Hum my crouch hiding something dangerous? LOL you're flattering me ... Kyril
27 SFOerik : intense searches are the only way to keepout the bad guys. Get used to it! It is the new world we live in. Every time I get searched at the airport I
28 ME AVN FAN : - Reminds me of that police-chief at Shreveport-Airport who back in 1997, when I told him I had been taking photos of airplanes from OUTSIDE the airp
29 ME AVN FAN : - he of course should have bypassed the USA but apparently very simply did NOT expect anything thelike. he now knows .....
30 ME AVN FAN : - while I quite easily CAN
31 ME AVN FAN : - "being told .... to be banned permanently" is NOT "BEING BANNED" --- it may well be some rethorics. "looks of hatred and contempt" may of course be
32 AeroWesty : Hrm? The first paragraph of the linked article says: "he was told he was banned from ever entering the USA because customs officials thought he looke
33 ME AVN FAN : - I do not remember clearly but think I was doing so. But no sense to discuss matters because you canNOT prove such utterances. My absolute priority
34 ME AVN FAN : my question is whether his data really was recorded as banned for life or whether they simply told him "never to come back" . your reaction to this h
35 Aa757first : Like a knife, razor, box cutter or something similar. AAndrew
36 KyleLosAngeles : That would leave her ... uh ... er ... frustrated, me thinks.
37 AeroWesty : Yeah, I'm not an expert on immigration matters, but I would think if you're denied entry into the U.S., and it went as far as being kept isolated unt
38 ME AVN FAN : while I, in spite of four extensive holiday trips in the USA, am not an expert into US-American authorities. For comparison however, I can tell you a
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