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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Hey guys,

The university where I work has a weapon ban on campus, especially in university buildings - even for licensed guns. That means that only outlaws wear weapons. I am often late in the office and have to cross campus in the dark, but cannot wear a gun.

If you were me, would you feel safe or unsafe because of the weapon ban?


Cheers, r.

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting Rabenschlag (Thread starter):
I am often late in the office and have to cross campus in the dark, but cannot wear a gun.

You are kidding, right?

I can't think of a situation where I had needed a gun, especially not when I crossed the university campus in the dark!

Patrick


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Why on earth would you need to carry a gun on campus?


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

I second the "what the heck do you need a gun for" remarks.

User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

How does it feel to live in a war zone??? Are you in Iraq or something??

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
I can't think of a situation where I had needed a gun, especially not when I crossed the university campus in the dark!

At UAA I believe there was something like 3 assaults during the evening hours on campus.

EDIT:That and a couple of years ago there where a couple of moose stompings.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Why on earth would you need to carry a gun on campus?

Skeet Team? ROTC?

[Edited 2005-10-01 00:30:07]


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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

Shock! Horror! You're not allowed to carry a weapon? What on earth next, no nuclear bombs in schools?

Geez, you make it sound like they've taken away your right to breath air. Seriously, why do you need a weapon on a university campus?

BF



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

A college campus is probably one of the safest places you can be.. Even if said campus is in a totally ghetto area.

User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 4):
How does it feel to live in a war zone??? Are you in Iraq or something??

no, i am in columbus, oh. every year we have about 100 people shot, and more than 1000 aggravated assaults.


but seriously: the only people having guns on campus are outlaws. should i feel safer or less safe because of that!?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 996 times:

There would be riots (but polite riots, unlike NOLA) on Mississippi State's campus if some idiot legislator tried to outlaw guns. So many good ole' boys have guns on them or in their trucks that there would be a real problem trying to ban them.

And of course we have very low crime at MSU and in Starkville.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 987 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 9):
So many good ole' boys have guns on them or in their trucks that there would be a real problem trying to ban them.

Actually, if you read the finer points of most University policies the guns are fine as long as they are secured in your vehicle. You just can't bring them into the campus buildings. Break into a few vehicles at any University in Texas and you will definantly find a few guns.


I am guessing you are at The Ohio State University, maybe Capital University.. It may be in a shitty part of a crappy city but the campus is pretty safe, especially if you look at just the crime stats for the campus. Campus police don't put up with much crap from outsiders.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 973 times:

I don't think we have any prohibition on having guns in buildings, except in the dorms.

Well, forget that.

In accordance with university regulations and/or state law, the university prohibits:

1. The possession by a student of any firearm on the campus of Mississippi State University.


But they're all over the place, it's just "officially" disallowed.


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Why on earth would you need to carry a gun on campus?

I agree. Living in Texas affords me the right to pack heat if I would like. The reason I don't is that I figure I'll have more of a risk of blowing balls off than ever having to use it for self-defence (or murder).


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 958 times:

Granted my university was in a rich part of LA, theft still happens (it isn't a gated campus). Yet like others said, college campuses are usually pretty safe inside. I'm sure your school has some kind of ride system in place for late nights, you can probably have them drive you to the parking lot or your apartment.


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User currently offlineFokker Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 940 times:

· What is Ohio's law on school safety zones and guns?
Sec. 2923.122: (partial) (A) No person shall knowingly convey, or attempt to convey, a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance into a school safety zone.

(3) This section does not apply to a person who conveys or attempts to convey a handgun into, or possesses a handgun in, a school safety zone if, at the time of that conveyance, attempted conveyance, or possession of the handgun, all of the following apply:

(a) The person does not enter into a school building or onto school premises and is not at a school activity.

(b) The person is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code.

(c) The person is in the school safety zone in accordance with 18 U.S.C. 922(q)(2)(B).

(d) The person is not knowingly in a place described in division (B)(1) or (B)(3) to (10) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

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· What places are defined in (B)(1) or (B)(3) to (10) of section 2923.126?
These are areas where, if you know you're within one, you're in violation of 2923.122(c) above:

(B) A valid license issued under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun in any manner prohibited under division (B) of section 2923.12 of the Revised Code or in any manner prohibited under section 2923.16 of the Revised Code. A valid license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into any of the following places:

(1) A police station, sheriff's office, or state highway patrol station, premises controlled by the bureau of criminal identification and investigation, a state correctional institution, jail, workhouse, or other detention facility, an airport passenger terminal, or an institution that is maintained, operated, managed, and governed pursuant to division (A) of section 5119.02 of the Revised Code or division (A)(1) of section 5123.03 of the Revised Code;

(2 is excluded here since its duplication) (2) A school safety zone, in violation of section 2923.122 of the Revised Code;

(3) A courthouse or another building or structure in which a courtroom is located, in violation of section 2923.123 of the Revised Code;

(4) Any room or open air arena in which liquor is being dispensed in premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code, in violation of section 2923.121 of the Revised Code;

(5) Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education, unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;

(6) Any church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, unless the church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship posts or permits otherwise;

(7) A child day-care center, a type A family day-care home, a type B family day-care home, or a type C family day-care home, except that this division does not prohibit a licensee who resides in a type A family day-care home, a type B family day-care home, or a type C family day-care home from carrying a concealed handgun at any time in any part of the home that is not dedicated or used for day-care purposes, or from carrying a concealed handgun in a part of the home that is dedicated or used for day-care purposes at any time during which no children, other than children of that licensee, are in the home;

(8) An aircraft that is in, or intended for operation in, foreign air transportation, interstate air transportation, intrastate air transportation, or the transportation of mail by aircraft;

(9) Any building that is owned by this state or any political subdivision of this state, and all portions of any building that is not owned by any governmental entity listed in this division but that is leased by such a governmental entity listed in this division;

(10) A place in which federal law prohibits the carrying of handguns.

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They got you on item 5. It's part of the state law not campus policy.
Any place that you are not allowed to carry is known as a "victim zone"

If you are interested in reading more about Ohio's concealed carry laws you can click here. http://www.ohioccw.org/index.php


User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 935 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 5):
At UAA I believe there was something like 3 assaults during the evening hours on campus.

Interesting you should mention this. My sister teaches at UAA and she has been surprised to find that several of her students show up packing.

She will not allow a student in her class unless they have disarmed.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 933 times:

when will this culture of fear attack violence at its roots (poverty) instead of running around scared?

User currently offlineFokker Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 924 times:

B744F I'm going to agree with you on that point. Poverty is the most likely cause of general crime. However, there are also people out there that are just plain bad. Some come from well to do families and have decent backgrounds. It's just in their genes. They are going to be trouble no matter what. You also can't discount the average weirdos, freaks, rapist, serial killers, and clowns. Some times laws aren't going to protect you. You must take the responsibility upon yourself.
I'm thinking about the poor girl that is getting rid of an abusive husband. She finally got the balls to leave him, she's going to college at night to support herself. He gets drunk and decides he's going to teach her a lesson. Low and behold she's on the college campus where her gun is locked in her car. He beats her to death in front of 3 witnesses who only have the power to watch. The next day we'll read about the threats, and PFA's, and the cries for help. We'll debate the would've could've should'ves on here, but she'll still be dead. I support concealed carry EVERYWHERE.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 910 times:

Quoting Fokker Lover (Reply 14):
What places are defined in (B)(1) or (B)(3) to (10) of section 2923.126?
These are areas where, if you know you're within one, you're in violation of 2923.122(c) above:

((8) An aircraft that is in, or intended for operation in, foreign air transportation, interstate air transportation, intrastate air transportation, or the transportation of mail by aircraft;

Funny, Because it was required by state law until a couple of years to have a rifle, pistol or shotgun and cartridges for the same. Unfortunately the survival kit list was updated in 2002 and the rifle requirement removed in order to east travel between Alaska and the Canadians which has some very anti-civil right gun laws on the books.

That was a mistake. And likewise even though we are talking about a lower-48 state with something called a road system in it, there are still going to be areas where you might have to put down and you would be own your own.



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User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 901 times:

This is also a huge debate at the University of Utah, which despite orders from the state to the contrary, continues to enforce a gun ban on campus. Best I can tell, my university doesn't have a gun ban - maybe it should, schools are definitely a place where guns do not belong except in the hands of professionals (which I'm not sure University Police should even be considered).

Quoting Fokker Lover (Reply 17):
that are just plain bad.

I don't believe people are just plain bad, there is always a reason, and I doubt genetics plays very much of a role.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 896 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
when will this culture of fear attack violence at its roots (poverty) instead of running around scared?

I ask that question every time Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein or Sarah Brady open their traps to damm the ownership of firearms.

The firearm is not the cause of violence in this society.



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 15):
nteresting you should mention this. My sister teaches at UAA and she has been surprised to find that several of her students show up packing.

I had a friend in college from a very remote part of Alaska who told me that many students carried rifles back and forth to high school. The school simply provided lockers for storing the guns during the day. After Columbine I'm sure this practice has been canned though.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 882 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 21):
I had a friend in college from a very remote part of Alaska who told me that many students carried rifles back and forth to high school. The school simply provided lockers for storing the guns during the day. After Columbine I'm sure this practice has been canned though.

The sad thing is, those students, who have been properly instructed on the use of the rifles and have full respect for them are the least likely to pull a columbine.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
I ask that question every time Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein or Sarah Brady open their traps to damm the ownership of firearms.

The firearm is not the cause of violence in this society.

Thank you for saying this...these cowards, along with Bill-ary Clinton are the some of the most ignorant anti-gun cowards in the world. They have no idea how to handle and respect and operate a firearm, yet they act like they know what's best of all of us.

So if you can't have a gun on campus, what about knives? Glass coke bottles? Baseball bats? Grenades? Boxknives? Crossbows? Oh...how about automobiles...with the wrong person behind the wheel, that's just as much a lethal weapon as a .45.

Why the focus on guns only? Anything in the wrong hands can be used as a weapon. Yet liberals and news media morons only focus on guns, and want America to be afraid of them, instead of learning to safely handle and use them properly. But, that's the LIBERAL way...isn't it?


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 857 times:

What's your local policy on guns in toilets? I never go to my toilet without my G36, every years dozens of people are killed by crocodiles, and everybody knows that they live in the sewers and can climb up to your toilet.

25 Scbriml : I always keep an Uzi in the toilet. Just in case. Remember folks, guns don't kill people. It's those nasty little bullet things that do the damage.
26 LTBEWR : Many campuses, especially state government ones, have full police officers that can carry guns. Many campuses have gun bans because of the anti-war pr
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