Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18 Posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
Well my fellow UK-ians.
I would like to ask your opinion about who should lead the Conservative Party for the next few years at least.
Both appreared on the Newsnight debate on the BBC last night.
I thought Duncan Smith was the better of the two overall, however Ken Clarke won the battle on €urope.
Well as a Labour man and a Labour Party Member, I think that Iain Duncan Smith should win. Frankly, he is the worst thing that could happen and Ken Clarke is more of a threat.
Thinking as a Conservative, it's hard to tell. Ken Clarke, knows and everyone else does (except most of the Conservatives), that Ken has the most chance to win, because of his centre-right stance. However €urope gets in the way and that is enough to steer Tory hard liners away.
If I was neutral. I would vote neither, but more likely for Ken than Iain. Who as everyone has said for lots of times, is William Hague II.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13606 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1548 times:
If they had any sense they would have gone for Portillo.
I don't like the Tories, but even I think that Portillo underwent a genuine change following the loss of his safe seat in 1997.
Just goes to show that they hate people who've had 'homosexual experiences' in the past, more than they hate Europe.
Europe is to them what Nuclear weapons were to Labour in the 1980's, but Labour still had Union support and a crop of talented new MPs coming through.
Apart from the farming lobby, who backs the Tories, and where's the new talent?
Clark has too much baggage and is too sensible for them, Duncan-Smith is too extreme for most voters. But he appeals to the petty obsessions of the party members.
The average age of Tory members is 65, go figure.
Aer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
Listen I'm an observer in Ireland and If I ever see Duncan Sh*t win, I'll eat my hat. He's the next Maggy Thatcher and that woman was the biggest cow that ever grazed the planet. I'm sure most Brits would agree with me (or maybe not ). All I can say is that it was the UK's biggest mistake not to join the single currency and if Duncan smith had his way, he'd take Britain out of the union. Look at how many company pull-outs the strong pound has had on you lot
Now Ken Clarke, he'd be my man. He at least sees a better future for the UK if they embrace the EU a bit more. He's against a super state and to be honest I'd have to agree. In Ireland, the people are at the moment a little pissed of at the EU. Constantly nagging us about our faulty budgetary plans and subsequently repremanding us. That is the premier reason why the Nice Treaty was rejected here. Now after all that said, I'm not anti-EU person whatsoever just a citizen who wants to see at least some of my country's identity remaining.
Ken Clarke all the way. BTW I'd be neither a Tory nor a Labour supporter if I lived in the UK. Like most people I'd just shoose the one with the better offer at the time
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3222 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1545 times:
The only thing that could possibly entice me back to voting Conservative would be if Ken Clarke won. Conservatism should not stand for xenophobia which is the impression I get from Iain Duncan-Smith. Plus I think we SHOULD be in the Euro. But most importantly, Clarke has a lot of charisma, whereas Smith will be just another Tory clone. Clarke is the only person who could win abck some of the Labour vote.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1543 times:
A good old non Tory bunch here! Hoorah!
Well We've got 3 weeks until the final result. I think while Labour could jump in, they should not. It would be obvious that they know that Ken is more of a threat, and the Tories (or some), could vote for Ken instead of Duncan Smith.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Ian Duncan smith is mmore right winner than william hauge and wants us to leave the EU.
He would focus on that and the euro and never get on to public services, just like hague did.
Ken Clarke is more willing to adapt and to take labour on, he isnt stuffy, rude and doesnt think the tory partys should be run by over 65s only.
they wont get abck every labour voter but they are lsing to the lib dems in areas that are traditionally tory because they are too right wing.
if ken clarke wins, at elast they will take back seats from the lib dems and labour, rather than what happened at the last election, losing a clutch of safe seats(or failing to win them back, even if the majority was a few hundred in 1997) and scoring individual success in labour seats.
Thast not good enugh and the way to win elections is to have a leader that commards respect and is tolerant.i
I willnever vote tory while ian duncan smith is in charge.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13606 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
The revelation that the father of the BNP is still an active Tory, now involved in Duncan-Smith's group speaks volumes.
His wife is still an active BNP member, standing against IDS in Chingford during the election.
True IDS has sacked him, but it's well documented that BNP slimebag Nick Griffin was introduced to facist politics by his father, who took him to a National Front meeting in 1975.
If you flirt with the far-right, as IDS did in the early/mid 1990's you attract these undesireable elements whether you like it or not.
As for Clarke, he was a destructive health minister, a poor home secretary, but admittidly an OK chancellor. He has a comtempt for public-sector workers, if that's a left-wing Tory, it shows how far gone they are.
However, voters will like his 'ordinary bloke' image, when he was health secretary, he went to a boxing match, guzzling beer and puffing on a cigar. A fellow Tory MP sitting next to him asked, 'there's a lot of media here, aren't you worried about your image?'
Clarke growled back 'bugger my image!'
But his £100,000 a year job with British American Tobacco shows a lapse of judgement for a senior, ambitious politician.